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Please follow the instructions in the sticky above about antenna threads, your location in the title and a link to your TV Fool report and then maybe we can help you.
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What are the actual issues you are having?

An antenna in an attic will last pretty much forever if left alone. The odds of something happening to the antenna itself (if left alone) are about the same as winning Lotto.
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What are the actual issues you are having?

An antenna in an attic will last pretty much forever if left alone. The odds of something happening to the antenna itself (if left alone) are about the same as winning Lotto.
There's always been an issue here or there. Like the 8.2 or sometimes even main channels (8) being temperamental with reception.
And by that, I mean digital dropout and flat-out 'no reception'. We'll have to rescan.
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The key word, here, is "sometimes." How often do you have issues? Once an hour? Once a week?

How long is the run from the set to the antenna and what does it go through (# of wall plates, splitters, joiners)? that'll tell us if you need a pre-amp.

One thing I notice from eyeballing a map is that you'd be pretty close to the final approach for the airport, depending on the wind direction. Low jets create nasty multipath issues while they're passing overhead.

If it's not even that often, it could be weather fronts moving through.

The other key word is "rescan." How often are you doing that? Do you lose all of the channels or do you just have to rescan to get KCCI?

Two things to do.. note what is going on when you have signal issues. Second is to check every connection all the way back to the antenna. Take it apart, examine the connection (making sure the center conductor hasn't turtled back into the coax, someplace). And put everything back together. Then see if the problems still exist.

One more question.. which way do you have the antenna pointing? And what's around it in the attic? Could be it's picking up static every time your heater kicks on.

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Your top 8 stations (KDSM-WOI) are extremely strong. I'm ignoring WOI on RF 5 and using WOI on RF 50. You should not use a preamp. It will likely overload. Reception issues in the attic are often caused by multipath. I'd recommend putting the antenna on the roof. That almost always improves reception.
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Reception issues on VHF channels in residential areas are usually caused by interference, most commonly from electrical devices or from local FM radio stations. Amplifiers only exacerbate the issue when in strong signal areas.

Reception issues on UHF stations is usually, as Calaveras mentioned, due to multipath and much less rarely with VHF. The key to reliable UHF reception relies on one of the following: Luck, patience, and experimentation.

Multi-path occurs when the primary line of sight signal path is blocked, most commonly by trees and buildings, and the antenna is picking up whatever signals are making it either through or around (or both) the impairment(s). Placing the antenna in the attic, while very convenient, usually only makes the problem worse.

I've attached several tip sheets that I routinely send out to customers who contact us directly for assistance, you may find them useful. Please note also that we have folks here seven days a week to assist in issues like this, contacting us directly is always encouraged.

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I used GoogleEarth [with TV and FM Transmitter Icons downloaded from TVFool and FMFool: then Doubleclick on *.kmz Files] to find your approximate LAT/LONG [about 2-mi South of WOI-TV]....and then used THAT to find your FMFool Report (see below). You have THREE SUPER-EXTREMELY High FM Signals and some of their 3rd Order Intermodulation Products fall on top of Ch8 [and also Ch11]. This COULD be causing your problem. Those FM Signals could ALSO be forcing the AGC (Automatic Gain Control) in the VHF part of your Tuner to FULL Attenuation, making it less sensitive to other VHF Signals. [There are usually SEPARATE VHF and UHF Input Band Pass Filters and AGC in typical Super-Heterodyne type Tuners.]

PS: Yes, they are on 3 out of the 4 Towers you can see 1.5, 2.0 and 3.5 miles North of you.....ignoring the 0.1-mi difference...

I would recommend installing a FULL-BAND FM FILTER on the Input of the TUNER [cuz FM signals that strong COULD also be leaking in via Coax Downlead], such as following [NO, NOT the one from Radio-Shack, it has much less attenuation on lower FM Band in order to PASS Ch6].:
https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...l?cjid=6155355

And FOR SURE, do NOT use a Preamp or Distribution Amplifier.....


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I get this for FM; still quite strong
http://www.fmfool.com/modeling/tmp/7...e/Radar-FM.png

And I see a LOT of trees in the area
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Please do an FM signal report here:
http://www.fmfool.com/index.php?opti...pper&Itemid=29

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Another new channel. 17.4 is TBD, some quirky thing for millennials (according to Wikipedia).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TBD_(TV_network)

They'll be airing Back in Time, a 2015 documentary about the Back to the Future movies.

Thurs, Feb 16, 7-9pm and
Sat, Feb 18, 5-7pm.

And it looks like Fox 17 might be dropping Grit in favor of Charge!, a similarly-themed channel of action movies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge!_(TV_network)

And in case some fans haven't noticed, MeTV has replaced the weekday hour-long episodes of Gunsmoke, with the early half-hour episodes, with Dennis Weaver as Chester. The prints look better than the ones they used a few years back when they aired under the title Marshall Dillon.

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I get this for FM; still quite strong
http://www.fmfool.com/modeling/tmp/7...e/Radar-FM.png

And I see a LOT of trees in the area
Per GoogleEarth display of TV/FM Transmitter Icons, that is nowhere NEAR 2-mi South on 346-deg [re TN] Line-Of-Bearing to WOI-TV/FM Tower.....only a few houses for miles around & very few trees....mostly open fields....

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that is nowhere NEAR 2-mi South on 346-deg [re TN] Line-Of-Bearing to WOI-TV/FM Tower
Eh, try the OTHER WOI-TV (UHF-50) tower, the one that's near downtown....
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Another new channel. 17.4 is TBD, some quirky thing for millennials (according to Wikipedia).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TBD_(TV_network)

They'll be airing Back in Time, a 2015 documentary about the Back to the Future movies.

Thurs, Feb 16, 7-9pm and
Sat, Feb 18, 5-7pm.

And it looks like Fox 17 might be dropping Grit in favor of Charge!, a similarly-themed channel of action movies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge!_(TV_network)

And in case some fans haven't noticed, MeTV has replaced the weekday hour-long episodes of Gunsmoke, with the early half-hour episodes, with Dennis Weaver as Chester. The prints look better than the ones they used a few years back when they aired under the title Marshall Dillon.
correct on both diginets. Both are owned by Sinclair, who also owns Fox 17

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Thread merged with Des Moines local thread. Redirect left. Best of both worlds, that way.

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New Station To Des Moines


36.1 to 36.7

KAJR-LD From FORT DODGE, IA to Des Moines, IA

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Iowa Public TV creates new station, splits up Create and Kids
http://www.iptv.org/about/iptv-news/...el-lineup-faqs

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Iowa Public Television has launched a fourth broadcast channel, essentially splitting up a hybrid channel that had carried children's programming during the evening and the Create network during other hours. On Dec. 1, the former "IPTV Learns" on DT2 became PBS Kids, with Create moving to a new DT4 channel fulltime. World Channel remains on DT3. The network reaches the entire state with nine full-power transmitters and a handful of translators. IPTV said Mediacom customers should be able to find the new PBS Kids on channel 794 by Dec. 6.
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WOI asks the FCC to let them move to RF34 (per northpine.com)

Nexstar Broadcasting's WOI-DT/5 (Ames-Des Moines) has asked the FCC for permission to replace its VHF Low transmitter with a UHF transmitter. The ABC affiliate, which currently transmits on RF channel 5, would move to RF channel 34 with 835kW/566m from the TV tower farm north of Des Moines. It could continue to remap to virtual channel 5. The move is possible because Family Educational Broadcasting returned the license of KEFB/34 (Ames) last year and the channel was not reassigned to anyone else in the spectrum auction repack. As part of its application, WOI-DT submitted documentation of 66 complaints of reception problems. Digital TV stations transmitting on VHF Low (channels 2-6) are often difficult to receive with indoor antennas and are also susceptible to interference from electronic devices and power tools, as well as e-skip interference in more remote parts of the viewing area. Most former analog VHF Low stations chose to relocate to UHF in the digital transition, and WOI-DT is the only Iowa-licensed TV station still broadcasting on VHF Low (it was under different ownership at the time of the transition). Nexstar also owns CW affiliate KCWI/23.1 (Ames-Des Moines), which already transmits on UHF.
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It appears the channel 34 full-power application has been dismissed. It also appears the channel 50 translator is off the air (at least I can't get it from an antenna 10 blocks west of the TX site), but there is no silent STA visible in the FCC TV Query. An application was tendered in June for a new translator on channel 33, with the Financial Center as the proposed site.


Meanwhile, channel 5 has been intermittently off the air lately as problems with the antenna and transmission line are being worked on.

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Can anyone confirm that KFPX has transitioned to its new channel?

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Can anyone confirm that KFPX has transitioned to its new channel?

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Yes...they have moved.


I even visited last week and admired their shiny new liquid-cooled solid-state transmitter. Quite a contrast to the old Larcan transmitter of KCCI on the other side of the room.


Next question is where does that leave the low-power 36?
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Yes...they have moved.


I even visited last week and admired their shiny new liquid-cooled solid-state transmitter. Quite a contrast to the old Larcan transmitter of KCCI on the other side of the room.


Next question is where does that leave the low-power 36?
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It leaves them off the air until they build their displacement permit for channel 21.

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With the move to 36, KFPX is now operating from KCCI's tower, so all full-power Des Moines TV stations are operating from the Alleman antenna farm.
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Anyone else not able to pull in Fox KDSM (17) this weekend via ota? I noticed it yesterday when it stated the channel wasn’t available. I rescanned channels and 17 doesn’t show up on the list at all anymore. My signals are nice and strong for abc, nbc, cbs, pbs, and 23. Fox is available through our ps Vue subscription so I know they are broadcasting.

I went to their site and there’s no word of this.
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Anyone else not able to pull in Fox KDSM (17) this weekend via ota? I noticed it yesterday when it stated the channel wasn’t available. I rescanned channels and 17 doesn’t show up on the list at all anymore. My signals are nice and strong for abc, nbc, cbs, pbs, and 23. Fox is available through our ps Vue subscription so I know they are broadcasting.

I went to their site and there’s no word of this.
I had that problem this morning with Channel 5, wasn't showing up in the guide. Now that's back and 17, while showing up, isn't getting a signal. Probably having a transmitter issue and Sinclair is too cheap to pay $5 for a new part.

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I had that problem this morning with Channel 5, wasn't showing up in the guide. Now that's back and 17, while showing up, isn't getting a signal. Probably having a transmitter issue and Sinclair is too cheap to pay $5 for a new part.
That makes me feel better that it’s not just me.
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From Channel 17's Facebook page:

"Our attempt today to get our tower fixed was unsuccessful as the internal damage was greater than expected. When we tried to get it turned back on before the Cubs game, it was unsuccessful. We are rushing to get a crew to fix this ASAP, but it likely will be several days. We sincerely apologize for this disruption. Providing programming to viewers every day is our #1 priority. Please know that we are doing everything possible to get this resolved as soon as possible. We will post updates as we get more information. Mediacom viewers only will continue to receive our programming."

Sounds like lightning got them.
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From Channel 17's Facebook page:

"Our attempt today to get our tower fixed was unsuccessful as the internal damage was greater than expected. When we tried to get it turned back on before the Cubs game, it was unsuccessful. We are rushing to get a crew to fix this ASAP, but it likely will be several days. We sincerely apologize for this disruption. Providing programming to viewers every day is our #1 priority. Please know that we are doing everything possible to get this resolved as soon as possible. We will post updates as we get more information. Mediacom viewers only will continue to receive our programming."

Sounds like lightning got them.
My sources tell me KDSM had a transmission line burnout at the 1400-foot level on the tower. I was told the initial plan is to hang a temporary antenna Tuesday at the 1000-foot level so they can get back on the air at low power, then fix the burnout over the next several days. That typically involves replacing the damaged line sections, and cleaning out soot and debris from the line sections below the burnout.


The weather is not looking good for tower work, so be patient. Bad luck for them to be off the air in the middle of the May ratings period.

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It leaves them off the air until they build their displacement permit for channel 21.

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Virtual 36 is back on the air on physical channel 21. I guess I don't understand how a station licensed to Fort Dodge could be legal from a tower in Baxter. Those towns aren't even close...the 51 dBu contour barely reaches Ames.
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