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It's not just WNCN. All the stations on the shared tower are still at reduced capability. I can look at RabbitEars live Bandscan and tell nobody from long range is picking them up.

Great. I guess I am lucky I can get what I do right now.
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Engineers have had to remove and replace all of the main antennas on top of the tower (WRAL, WRAZ, WNCN, WLFL, and WRDC). That work should be complete by the end of January 2020.
https://www.wral.com/rescan-and-lost...ming/18502628/
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Lets hope they will be ahead of schedule. I am anxious to see if I can tell a difference in how often I can receive these at over 90 miles out.
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I certainly hope they are actually done by the end of January. I am sick of paying to stream live channels I should be able to get OTA.
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Work appears to be being done....


https://www.wral.com/helicopters-cre...ture/18877109/
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^^^^ Thanks, I guess just a "few weeks" to go.
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My current KS800 settings. PM:Movie, BL:13, B:45, C:85, S:0, C:40, T:G48/R52, DCV:Off, AMP:Off, SLED:Low, FM:Auto1, BL: Auto, DC:Off, CT:Warm1, Gam:0, CS:Auto
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that raw GoPro video is sphincterific
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Wow, WRAL and WRAZ not at full power yet? Since the repack, I've been receiving both of those very strong and stable. I can hardly imagine them coming in better.

Now WNCN, that one has been and remains unwatchable for me. Fingers crossed that those work crews stay safe, are successful in their work and WNCN gets fixed when their work is done.
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Anybody know what happened to WUNC-TV. They went dark yesterday evening apparently BEFORE the storms arrived. Still dark this morning.
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Anybody know what happened to WUNC-TV. They went dark yesterday evening apparently BEFORE the storms arrived. Still dark this morning.

It is coming in fine at my house. I get the signal directly from Chapel Hill. I believe people to the east get their signal from a repeater though.
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It is coming in fine at my house. I get the signal directly from Chapel Hill. I believe people to the east get their signal from a repeater though.
Are you sure that you are getting yours OTA from channel 4? I see absolutely ZERO signal when I manually tune the converter box to 4-1. I am in Cary so Ch 4 should be the closest. I am however, seeing WUNC on channel 20 from somewhere else. Edenton?
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Anybody know what happened to WUNC-TV. They went dark yesterday evening apparently BEFORE the storms arrived. Still dark this morning.
I am going to guess you have a TiVo. TiVo is messed up right now for WUNC, for some reason (just in time to mess up for recording Sanditon tonight!). I tried a network data pull, but no go. Just have to wait until they fix their data I guess.

Update: It's kind of strange. I get the V53 no signal error when I go to the 4.1 or 4.2 channel, but when I bring up the signal strength meter, it says I have a 67 (normal) signal strength, and a black screen. And, I now get the video and audio for 4.1 on 4.3 (so I guess I can now watch Sanditon), and for 4.2 on 4.4. TiVo is messed up.

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I am going to guess you have a TiVo. TiVo is messed up right now for WUNC, for some reason (just in time to mess up for recording Sanditon tonight!). I tried a network data pull, but no go. Just have to wait until they fix their data I guess.

Update: It's kind of strange. I get the V53 no signal error when I go to the 4.1 or 4.2 channel, but when I bring up the signal strength meter, it says I have a 67 (normal) signal strength, and a black screen. And, I now get the video and audio for 4.1 on 4.3 (so I guess I can now watch Sanditon), and for 4.2 on 4.4. TiVo is messed up.
Naaaah... This is Antenna TV. No Tivo is implicated or involved just a decade old converter box. all other channels work but WUNC 4.x went Poof! As of Sunday night (now) it is still down. I am wondering if the transmitter site lost power due to all the wind and possibly downed tree(s).

The repack happened last September so that shouldn't be it.
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Are you sure that you are getting yours OTA from channel 4? I see absolutely ZERO signal when I manually tune the converter box to 4-1. I am in Cary so Ch 4 should be the closest. I am however, seeing WUNC on channel 20 from somewhere else. Edenton?
AFAIK, RF/physical channel 20 is the frequency WUNC primarily transmits on (vs whatever frequency the repeaters use).

What I noticed last night is that all of the program channels transmitting on physical channel 20 were not transmitting some or all of their PSIP data. I wonder if that confused some TVs/DVRs that depend on that info for channel selection, auto-mapping between guide data and physical channel tuning, etc. The PSIP data seems to be back to normal this morning.

From what I can tell, the "Sanditon on Masterpiece" program was transmitted OTA as normal otherwise and recorded fine on my ancient DVR system on physical channel 20, program channel 4.1 between 9 and 11 pm. I don't think my ancient DVR system uses PSIP for anything during normal operation, so it didn't get confused, I guess.
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Yes, back to normal this morning. I was able to watch 4.1 over the air last night for Sanditon just fine, just not on TiVo.

My current KS800 settings. PM:Movie, BL:13, B:45, C:85, S:0, C:40, T:G48/R52, DCV:Off, AMP:Off, SLED:Low, FM:Auto1, BL: Auto, DC:Off, CT:Warm1, Gam:0, CS:Auto
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AFAIK, RF/physical channel 20 is the frequency WUNC primarily transmits on (vs whatever frequency the repeaters use).

What I noticed last night is that all of the program channels transmitting on physical channel 20 were not transmitting some or all of their PSIP data. I wonder if that confused some TVs/DVRs that depend on that info for channel selection, auto-mapping between guide data and physical channel tuning, etc. The PSIP data seems to be back to normal this morning.

From what I can tell, the "Sanditon on Masterpiece" program was transmitted OTA as normal otherwise and recorded fine on my ancient DVR system on physical channel 20, program channel 4.1 between 9 and 11 pm. I don't think my ancient DVR system uses PSIP for anything during normal operation, so it didn't get confused, I guess.
This must have been it! I looked at the signal strength on ch 20 and it was much too strong to be the Edenton repeater. Then magically channel ch 4 showed back up and 20 disappeared on my converter box.
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Now WNCN, that one has been and remains unwatchable for me. Fingers crossed that those work crews stay safe, are successful in their work and WNCN gets fixed when their work is done.
Hm...WNCN was actually watchable for a time last night, but today it's back to unwatchable. Maybe they were testing the new antenna setup for a bit (if so, woohoo!) and then went back to the temporary antenna to work on the next steps.
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Multipath problems?

I am hoping someone has a solution for me.

I have tried 6 different antennae, from a 4' Yagi to a Mohu Leaf, in about a dozen different locations in my home (including a number in my basement, third floor attic, main floor, and second floor, all with the same result. I have also tried with and without an attenuator and an amplifier (not at the same time).

I can get a strong signal on a number of stations, but each will drop from 90% or so down to 0 for a second or two probably about once or twice every few minutes.

I think its because there are good number of houses and trees in my 'hood that sit higher than my house.

Thoughts?
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Reception problems? (https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php?request=result&study_i

https://www.rabbitears.info/searchma...study_id=46432

I am hoping someone has a solution for me.

I have tried 6 different antennae, from a 4' Yagi to a Mohu Leaf, in about a dozen different locations in my home (including a number in my basement, third floor attic, main floor, and second floor, all with the same result. I have also tried with and without an attenuator and an amplifier (not at the same time).

I can get a strong signal on a number of stations, but each will drop from 90% or so down to 0 for a second or two probably about once or twice every few minutes.

I think its because there are good number of houses and trees in my 'hood that sit higher than my house.

Thoughts?

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Sounds like multipath.


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Sounds like multipath.


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That was my guess, but more importantly, how do I solve it?
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Moving to the Raleigh thread. Please see posts that say "read before posting" ...BEFORE posting.

You might also want to be more specific. WHICH stations drop (use call letters, not channel numbers)? Make and model of your yagi. Is it a UHF or a combo? When the stations drop, do you see any planes low in the sky?

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That was my guess, but more importantly, how do I solve it?
Mount antenna outdoors as high a possible. Would be a 1st suggestion without specifics.



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Mount antenna outdoors as high a possible. Would be a 1st suggestion without specifics.
The WAF (wife acceptance factor) is a ZERO on that, so I am going to need a different solution.
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Possible solutions/recommendations could be forthcoming if info is provided as suggested above (and below):
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/25-hd...-1st-post.html


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If future suggestions don't work out... ask the bride if she wants to subscribe to cable, FiOS, Dish, DirecTV or perhaps a streaming solution.



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I would recommend something like this directional antenna... https://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT3037XR.../dp/B00KVVBF2A



have you tried similar? I have had really good luck with this RCA/Winegard Prostar. The reason for this antenna is it does VHF high and UHF really well. If you ever get Low VHF stations that pop up, you will be ready to add on the longer elements.


Also just hang on a few more days, because the stations will be turning on their new 2000 + feet high antennas. Right now they are broadcasting from antennas lower down side mounted on the tower.
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The WAF (wife acceptance factor) is a ZERO on that, so I am going to need a different solution.
Sadly the laws of physics don't care what your wife (or you, or me, or anyone) finds acceptable.

The suggestion of mounting on the roof and the higher the better is the best suggestion I can make too.

If your wife won't allow a proper antenna and a proper mount, you've always got cable, satellite, streaming, or DVD / Blu-ray player as options. Or my favorite: silence.
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As mentioned earlier, don't do anything until about the end of this month, since broadcast antenna moving has not finished yet.

My current KS800 settings. PM:Movie, BL:13, B:45, C:85, S:0, C:40, T:G48/R52, DCV:Off, AMP:Off, SLED:Low, FM:Auto1, BL: Auto, DC:Off, CT:Warm1, Gam:0, CS:Auto
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I am hoping someone has a solution for me.

I have tried 6 different antennae, from a 4' Yagi to a Mohu Leaf, in about a dozen different locations in my home (including a number in my basement, third floor attic, main floor, and second floor, all with the same result. I have also tried with and without an attenuator and an amplifier (not at the same time).

I can get a strong signal on a number of stations, but each will drop from 90% or so down to 0 for a second or two probably about once or twice every few minutes.

I think its because there are good number of houses and trees in my 'hood that sit higher than my house.

Thoughts?
Which way are you pointing your antennas?



As a last resort you can try an antenna in a metal trash can as a multipath shield--

https://www.instructables.com/id/HDTV-Multipath-Shield/
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I would recommend something like this directional antenna... https://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT3037XR.../dp/B00KVVBF2A



have you tried similar? I have had really good luck with this RCA/Winegard Prostar. The reason for this antenna is it does VHF high and UHF really well. If you ever get Low VHF stations that pop up, you will be ready to add on the longer elements.


Also just hang on a few more days, because the stations will be turning on their new 2000 + feet high antennas. Right now they are broadcasting from antennas lower down side mounted on the tower.
Once the repack work is finished, signal strength should hopefully improve. Especially if they are going from a side mounted antenna to a top mount and increasing power. It could be the problem is being on the null side of the side mount antenna from the tower. Also indoor attic installation can weaken signals due to radiant barriers or multipath. Outside is usually better, but once the repack work is finished keep on adjusting placement in the attic. And an amplifier may help, but it may cause overload or interference if certain nearby signals are strong. A Channel Master 3414 or 3412 distribution amp may be helpful as they are somewhat resistant to overload. Or the new Channel Master 7778 preamp, version 3. Or it can be helpful to find an adjustable gain amplifier such as Antop or Channel Master Amplify. And the previously mentioned RCA ANT303 made by Winegard is a good choice, or also possibly the Winegard 7694. The Clearstream 4V/MAX antennas are good for UHF, but the VHF dipole may be weak for VHF.
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