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post #8881 of 8906 Old 02-22-2019, 10:53 AM
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First of all, with marginal signals, TV tuners vary. One tuner will decode what another tuner cannot. I have two set-top boxes and a TV set in my lab. hooked up to the same antenna and with the same signal amplitude. With marginal signals, the TV set and one of the set top boxes will often not decode signals the other set top boxes will.

Be aware that with DTV, if the set can decode the signal at all, the picture is likely to be perfect. There is a very narrow zone when the signal will pixilate and the sound will break up so this rule is not absolute. This feature of DTV often makes trouble shooting reception problems very difficult. You can be sitting on the very edge of decoding failure and not know it.

As for the stations you mentioned, KUNP-LP transmits virtual channel 47.x on RF channel 34. I am ~9 miles from the station and my records show it's amplitude has been essentially constant for weeks. Signal reception can vary if the transmitter starts distorting (not likely, but possible) or if the trees and growing stuff in the path vary the path loss. At my close in site, I have seen 1 or 2 dB of signal increase as the leaves fell off of the trees (at least I think that's the cause). Also, storms apparently causing wet trees to wave in the path can cause decoding problems. Even at my close-in site I have sat and watched the signal amplitude of the local DTV stations vary several 3 or 5 dB as the wind blew. In marginal conditions, a 1 or 2 dB change can cause signal loss. I'm a little surprised that you can receive this signal in Salem. The coverage maps show the signal is pretty iffy there.

You also mentioned ch. 41 and ch 15. KOXO-CD used to be on RF41 and used a virtual channel ID of 41.x. Many months ago, it moved to RF channel 15 but continued to use the virtual ID of 41.x. In mid February it dropped that ID and used an ID of KOXI-CD virtual 20-1. (To add to the confusion, at the same time, the actual KOXI-CD RF ch. 20 using a virtual 20-1 was also transmitting). Checking this morning, I note that the transmitter on RF 15 is now IDing itself as KORS-CD virtual 16-1 (it should be using the call letters KOXO-CD). Using the wrong call letters is very odd and I assume it is part of the off the air too long problem I noted that the WatchTV stations have in my 2/18/19 posting to this site.

I am completely baffled by your mention of 38.1. That one I don't know.

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Figured out that I was being misled by my old Artec set-top converter box. When I scanned my Sony Trinatron HDTV set with its diagnostic mode, all five of WatchTV's stations show up on the virtual channel list. That is KORS-CD 16.1, KOXI-CD 20-1, KORK-CD 35-1, KKEI 38-1 and KOXO 41-1 are on its channel list.

When tuned to a given virtual channel, the Sony set's diagnostic mode shows what RF channel the set is tuned to. It says that KORS, KORK and KKEI are virtual channels on the KOXO RF channel 15 transmitter. KOXI is properly being transmitted from WatchTV's RF channel 20 transmitter and KOXO's virtual 41-1 is correctly emanating from its RF channel 15 transmitter. This agrees with spectrum analyzer measurements that show only RF channel 15 and 20 of WatchTV's five Portland channels have signals in them.

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After reading your post, I took time this morning to see what the Magnavox DVR was receiving for the lower powered stations and found the following (note that some of these line up with your recent findings):


"Channel Not Available" on 3.2, 12.5, 17.3, 17.4, 27.2, 37.2 and 49.6.



Otherwise, 10.5 = 10.1, 10.6 = 10.2, 10.7 = 10.1, 10.8 = 10.4; 12.4 = 12.1, 12.6 = 12.1; 15.3 = 17.1, 15.4 = 17.1; 16.1 = 17.1; 20.1 = 17.1; 36.3 entirely blank as was 36.4 although 36.1 and 36.2 were fine; 38.1 = 17.1; 47.1 through 47.3 were fine; 49.5 = 49.1, 49.7 = 49.1


I've received the 47.x channels for a few years, well before the repack RF channel change. Just took a look at the 36.x channels again and find there indeed is signal strength on .3 and .4--just no video. Also, seems KWVT 17.1 and the WatchTV stations simulcasting its programming are all showing just the station ID bug in the lower right corner. No problem on 17.2 weather channel. Some of the channels listed above such as the 12.x and 49.x channels must be the translators as my channel advance button didn't stop on any 18.x or 19.x channels but manually entering them took me to a 12.1 or 49.1 channel. Neither of the translators carrying the 12.x and 49.x diginets or so it appears. Also just checked the Toshiba TVs in the house and they're all now picking up the 47.x channels so maybe there is hope for the Sony tuner to again receive them.
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post #8884 of 8906 Old 03-11-2019, 09:48 PM
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KOXO-CD RF ch. 15, virt. ch. 41 is off the air tonight.


There is a new on-line TV signal monitoring receiver that can be viewed at: https://m.rabbitears.info/index.php?...107241E4&tno=3 .


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KOXO-CD RF ch. 15, virt. ch. 41 is back on the air today.


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KKEI-CD (RF38, vir.38) began transmitting yesterday.


At the same time KOXO-CD (RF15, vir.41) ceased transmitting.


One cannot be sure, but the two events are probably coupled.


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KEVE-LD, RF36, Vir36 has been off the air for four days now. I delayed posting to make sure it wasn't just a small problem. Don't know if it's a big problem or if they are in the process of moving to RF31. Their RF36 transmitter had a long history of periodically tripping off the air and recycling.


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KATU Repack update:
http://www.katuengineering.com/hesk/...php?article=49
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3/14/2019 UPDATE:

Viewers may notice a promo talking about the need to "re-scan" on or after 4/12/2019. That is the tentative date that we hope to move to our new frequency. When this happens, viewers will need to re-scan to receive our signal. This will also mark the move to a lower-power transmitter where our station will live until the old full-power transmitter and antenna are replaced.

As part of an FCC-mandated change to the television broadcast frequencies which broadcasters use, KATU and other stations in the market will be making changes from 2018 through 2020 that will temporarily impact viewers.

As a result of this mandated change, we will be taking advantage of this situation to make much needed improvements to the transmitter and antenna systems we use to bring you programming.

Historically, reception for viewers in some areas has been particularly sensitive to changes in the weather. This has been especially bad as the weather warms up. The reason for this is an antenna and transmission line design problem with the systems on our transmission tower at Sylvan Hill. It has been this way since the Sylvan Tower systems were built back in the year 2000.

In the coming months we are going to completely replace the entire KATU, KOIN and KRCW transmission systems. We are confident that once the work is done our broadcast pattern will be much better without the dead zones that we are experiencing now.

Our new system will be on a different UHF channel. The first step is to install a temporary alternate low power transmitter on our new channel. For some viewers, this will provide immediate improvement, especially if you are located close in town. Viewers in remote areas will be impacted due to the lower power output, however. Once we have moved to the low power transmitter, users may need to rescan for channels in order to receive them.

Once on the new channel with the temporary low power transmitter we will begin the demolition of the old system at Sylvan Hill and then install a new full power system there on our new channel.

We expect once the work is completed, the reception problems that plague Portland and surrounding communities will be a thing of the past.

This is a multimillion dollar project that has been in the planning stages for years.

When done we expect our past transmission problems will be over with the new system able to provide much better reception for those within its reach.

In the meantime, we thank you for your patience as we work through this project.

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KEVE-LD RF36 returned to the air Saturday afternoon. Its still experiencing periodic carrier trips.


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KKEI-CD has moved from RF38 to RF36. This is its repack channel assignment. It's transmitting several virtual channels, most of them end up being crazy numbers on my set; numbers like 38.1025, etc. At my house, it presents a beautiful spectrum with virtually a textbook shape (i.e. reflection free) for the in-channel portion of its spectrum.


The station, KEVE-LD, that used to be on channel 36 is off the air, at least for the time being. It has a construction permit for RF31 but has not appeared there yet.


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If you are suddenly having problems receiving KMNT (RF45 Vir24), it has sharply dropped in power. Last night and today it's down 19 dB in amplitude while all the other Portland DTV stations remain essentially constant (i.e. it's them, not me).


I don't know why. Their STA filed last Friday to reduce their ERP to allow an antenna change for their repack shift to RF34 has is still pending. Something else must be going on.


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KWVT-LD on the air tonight on RF11 in Portland. It has five virtual channels: 3-1 KVDO, 17-1 KWVT, 17-2 Weather, 27-1 KSLM and 37-1 Azteca.

Also tonight, KOIN RF25, Vir6 has gained about 7 dB in amplitude since yesterday. Reading vary a bit from day to day so the exact change may vary a bit but the power is quite noticeably greater. That should help reception.


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KATU RF43, Vir2 lowered its power substantially today in order to allow construction of its new antenna system. See http://www.katuengineering.com/hesk/knowledgebase.php?article=49 for details.


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KKEI-CD RF36, Vir ch. 38 has been 25dB lower than its accustom power when I checked the last three nights. That is if its ERP was 8.6kW as rated, it's down to about 30 Watts now. Being low more than a day or two probably means a bigger glitch than normal. Perhaps the Final amp is down and we are seeing the driver feed-through.


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KKEI-cd is up to full power again tonight.


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KKEI-CD RF36, Vir.38 is again on its third day of very low signal amplitude. I measure it as a bit more than 25 dB below its normal amplitude which puts its power output at about 35 Watts. It took them five days to fix it the last time this happened; we will see.


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Hey Linley,


Appreciate your persistence! I don't live in the market, but like to read what's going on in markets up the coast. Your updates are read and welcomed - keep up the good work!
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KKEI-CD RF36 Vir38 has returned to high power operation again yesterday. Portland's other WatchTV stations on RF15, RF16 and RF35 remain silent.


It's not Portland news but it's interesting. Four of WatchTV's translator/low power stations in Oregon (K28FP-D, Astoria; K14SC-D, Ashland; K25GA-D Redmond/Prineville; and K28GG-D, Medford ) have received permission from the FCC to transmit in the ATSC3 DTV format. Translator and low power DTV stations choosing ATSC3 are not required to simulcast an ATSC1 signal and these WatchTV stations have opted not to do so. That's a bold step in that receivers capable of ATSC3 reception are not expected to be marketed here until late next year. The FCC's LMS search site indicates that these are the first stations in the USA to be given permission to so convert.


For dhett the status of the rest of Portland/Vancouver channels is pretty well displayed on https://www.rabbitears.info/market.php 's page for Portland (#24). Some additions to that page are: KOIN RF25 Vir6 is operating at lower power from its back-up site. KATU RF41 Vir2 is operating at low power for antenna construction but I am not sure from what site. And, KMNT RF 45 Vir24 is operating at low power due to antenna construction.


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I wanted to reduce the number of KKEI postings so I didn't post when, having been at high power for two days, KKEI was again at low power on the evening of June 4. I thought to just post when it returned to high power, saying that it had been at low power again and was now back again. However, it has remained at low power the seven days and counting. Reducing the number of KKEI postings is a good idea, but my strategy doesn't seem to fit the situation very well.


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Today, June 22, is the day all phase 3 repack DTV stations are to be on their new frequencies. This morning KNMT Vir.24 has moved from RF45 to RF32 as expected. A rescan will be necessary if you are a KNMT fan.


KATU Vir.2 (was incorrectly Vir6) , RF43 was also expected to move from RF43 to RF24 today, but is still on RF43 this morning. KATU received a hurry-up STA yesterday to delay its move until phase 6. While phase 6's completion date is October 18th, KATU has been told to shut down its transmissions on RF43 by August 2nd.

The station pleaded that while it had all the material on hand to install its new antenna, there were delays in obtaining the necessary permits to do the tower work. The STA documentation says that antenna work is scheduled to start on July 8th and is thought to require 60 days for completion. That doesn't seem to jibe with the FCC's orders to vacate RF43 so that is something to watch for.

Sinclair Broadcasting filed for and got that STA in a day or two; Liberal amounts of "grease" must have been applied to get it that fast. Amazing.


KKEI-CD remains at very, very low power.


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Is that Vir. 2?
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Is that Vir. 2?

Yes. Thank you. Fixed it in the original post.


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KATU update two days ago:
6/21/2019 UPDATE:

The old transmitting equipment has been removed and our suite has been ready for updating, but vendor delays have stalled the project somewhat. Currently it looks like the transmitter crew will arrive in early to mid-July to begin work on installing the new transmitter. We hope that antenna work will begin about the same time.

We are tentatively aiming for a September 6th transition date.

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This is the third night that KKEI (Vir38, RF36) has been back to full power again. It appears that it may stay awhile to it's worth mentioning.


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"SOT" (slightly off topic)

I was hoping to get some information about how other people in the Portland area obtain their "at home" internet service. I no longer subscribe to cable tv ( comcast, frontier) services. Currently, I am OTA with a TIVO Roamio and DVR+ and stream with APTV4 and Samsung Tizen. I have a modem for comcast and another modem for frontier. I switched from comcast tv/internet in January 2018 to 50/50 fiber internet only from frontier. I pay them $35/mo. with some sort of adjustment for having my own router. I use Amazon Prime, PLUTO, TUBI, plus several lesser free streams and rotate the services of HBO, Showtime, Netflix, and Acorn.

I tried DTVNow and UTTV but did not find any great value in their services.
I do not have a smart phone, only an emergency tracfone and OOMA.

If anyone cares to share their solutions I would be grateful.

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"SOT" (slightly off topic)

I was hoping to get some information about how other people in the Portland area obtain their "at home" internet service. I no longer subscribe to cable tv ( comcast, frontier) services. Currently, I am OTA with a TIVO Roamio and DVR+ and stream with APTV4 and Samsung Tizen. I have a modem for comcast and another modem for frontier. I switched from comcast tv/internet in January 2018 to 50/50 fiber internet only from frontier. I pay them $35/mo. with some sort of adjustment for having my own router. I use Amazon Prime, PLUTO, TUBI, plus several lesser free streams and rotate the services of HBO, Showtime, Netflix, and Acorn.

I tried DTVNow and UTTV but did not find any great value in their services.
I do not have a smart phone, only an emergency tracfone and OOMA.

If anyone cares to share their solutions I would be grateful.

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