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Very interesting design and it looks like it includes a powered signal booster too. Hmm.. I bet you want me to get one so I can test it out for you!
Well you win that bet ...

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My house shows 47 miles out but we're up at elevation so maybe this one will work. It says 45 miles. Do you get any of the locals or 27.x / 54.x low powered stations from Mt. Harvard with it? MeTV in HD is what I'm after on 54.1. These show as Purple on Antennaweb.org.
I enabled 27.1 and 54.1 in my HDHomeRuns and was surprised that I do receive them. I watched several minutes on each channel and had no glitches.
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I enabled 27.1 and 54.1 in my HDHomeRuns and was surprised that I do receive them. I watched several minutes on each channel and had no glitches.
What area of Riverside? In the high areas to the south or the valley by the "River"?

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BTW, was that MeTV, probably some old Big Valley or something like that playing?

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What area of Riverside? In the high areas to the south or the valley by the "River"?

Thanks.
I'm near the Indiana side of Lake Hills, south of the 91, at around 800 ft elevation. I originally had a smaller Yagi but I believe some new office park construction caused some multipath problems. Switching to my current antenna (and raising it slightly) solved the problems.

Yes, it was a Perry Mason on MeTV on 54.1, and now it's Matlock
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Okay so you're pointing a little bit more north than I am but that's a clear shot across Chino Valley from there. I'm probably up another 400 feet and pointing a tad more west than you are but the distance is similar..

Good to hear you're pulling in that channel on your HDHR. I've got a new Quatro and my Primes are being sold. So done paying Spectrum for TV, including $9 a month to rent their antenna for locals.

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It looks like you and I are about the same distance and general direction from Mt. Wilson. This is what I am using now and am having good luck with. It gets both UHF and VHF and I have very few drop outs. It is roof mounted.

https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-Plat.../dp/B001DFTGR4
BTW, are you using any amplifiers or LTE filters with that?

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I have one of these, http://salestores.com/channelmaste33.html also roof top mounted, about 12 feet above ground.
Also have use a Winegard ANWI8700 AP Signal Amplifier.
Hey Teeps ...

BTW, what does your TiVo show if anything for channels 54-1 (MeTV HD) and 27-1 to 27-5 (Spanish, Arabic, and infomercial programs)?

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BTW, are you using any amplifiers or LTE filters with that?
No amp or filters. I have the cable from the antenna going from the roof into the house, then into a 3 way splitter. Two of the legs go to dual HDHR Connects, the third goes directly to a small TV. I replaced a TiVo OTA with this setup and Apple TVs using the Channels App and DVR. I originally had signal issues with one of the Connects and thought it was the splitter but discovered it was a bad cable from the splitter to the Connect. I really don't need to have a 3 way splitter and was going to replace it with a 2 way but everything seems to be working well so for now I'm not going to mess with it
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Wow! That's great news! In looking at the map and your elevation, I'm thinking you're down in the "flats" near the Tyler Mall. I used to live there (Harrison and Indiana, basically) and back in the day getting Channel 7 was a real PITA but we're talking the 70's here..

It would seem you are actually a few miles closer but I may be wrong. I will have a straight run of RG6 from the antenna to the HDHR Connect Quartro with no splitters except the internal splitter in the tuner. I'll either get the antenna you have suggested or this one to save a couple bucks. The triple Yagi is OOS it would seem right now (at least Solid Signal's ebay store which had it at a more competitive price).

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I went ahead and ordered one of these.


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Just for the heck of it I checked the signal strength for 54.1 and compared that to 7.1.
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I went ahead and ordered one of these.

Great!

Keep us ("me" ) here posted on how it performs, so I can decide ...

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Great!

Keep us ("me" ) here posted on how it performs, so I can decide ...

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I'm going to put it in the attic so this should fit nicely at about 4 feet long and 30" in the other dimensions. I will get some conduit at Home Depot or Lowes to span vertically between the truss top and bottom chords and clamp the antenna to that.

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Just for the heck of it I checked the signal strength for 54.1 and compared that to 7.1.
That's good information. You can see how weak 54.1 is.. Thanks for posting it.

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Just for the heck of it I checked the signal strength for 54.1 and compared that to 7.1.
Thanks ...

What I really wish I had is a TS Reader to check the metadata on those stations to see if I can find something misconfigured like in this poster's same or very similar, experience on TCF some years back.

https://www.tivocommunity.com/commun...ham-al.438423/

Where the "Transport Stream ID" (TSID) listed in the "Program Association Table" (PAT) of the MPEG-2 metadata stream did not match the one in the PSIP data stream. This caused the OP's TiVo to fail to achieve a program lock.

I expect to find a misconfiguration like this if I could see a TS Reader capture of KAZA-54/KHTV-CD-27.

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Thanks ...

What I really wish I had is a TS Reader to check the metadata on those stations to see if I can find something misconfigured like in this poster's same or very similar, experience on TCF some years back.

https://www.tivocommunity.com/commun...ham-al.438423/

Where the "Transport Stream ID" (TSID) listed in the "Program Association Table" (PAT) of the MPEG-2 metadata stream did not match the one in the PSIP data stream. This caused the OP's TiVo to fail to achieve a program lock.

I expect to find a misconfiguration like this if I could see a TS Reader capture of KAZA-54/KHTV-CD-27.

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Why is it that TiVo can't handle it but HDHR Connect Quatro can? Not that you know the answer but I'm just wondering what the deal is.

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Why is it that TiVo can't handle it but HDHR Connect Quatro can? Not that you know the answer but I'm just wondering what the deal is.
First some clarification ...

When this happens the OTA TiVo can most often still receive the station(s), but not in the normal and convenient manner. Where you can't tune to them by their virtual channel numbers, 54-1 and 27-1 to 27-5, which simply results "V53" error message due to no program lock on top of a blacked out screen.

However, as a workaround the TiVo can usually detect their physical channel numbers and display them as additional channels in the guide as 27-7 and 27-9 to 27-13. Where the numbers before the dash refer to the RF channel number and that trailing the dash to the specific program stream number.

But while you can tune to the stations on these channels, they have no channel ID or guide data, just a continuous time block labled "Title not available" in the guide for program disciption.

So on the virtual channel numbers you have the channel ID and guide info., but no picture or sound. And on the physical channels you have picture and sound, but no channel ID or guide info.

As to why this happens, from what I can tell it's apparently as the poster on TCF says. When tuning by virtual channel number the TiVo requires a fully compliant ATSC signal. Otherwise if the metadata or some other is incorrect or misconfigured, it refuses to display or sound out anything.

I have a small TV set in the kitchen which is doing the same thing on those stations. It will only receive them by the physical channel numbers without channel ID info. (KAZA-54/KHTV-CD-27 are currently not broadcasting any guide info. over the air by PSIP data).

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As you can see here, the channels show in the data but since I cannot tune them with my crappy antenna they do not show up in the guide data provided by epg123 that I use.
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As you can see here, the channels show in the data but since I cannot tune them with my crappy antenna they do not show up in the guide data provided by epg123 that I use.
Again, no surprises ....

Even with a decent antenna you still may have problems receiving them as they're only a 3 KW erp low power station on the lower Mt. Harvard immediately adjacent to Wilson.

Hopefully the reputed excellence of the Televes antenna you just ordered will pull it in for you.

It's just unconscionable other than that of a pure "take the money and not give-a-dam," that the former owners of KAZA would give up their license as a full power station atop Mt. Wilson on RF 47. For a CSA with low power Spanish KHTV-CD which Weigel then purchases the rights to.

My thinking is that due to some kind of technicality in the law, where KAZA's former status as a full power station carried over irrespective of their repack transition today. Therefore they're entitled to "must carry" status on DIRECTV and Dish, which is what Weigel is mainly relying on for distribution.

Not the comparatively few using the OTA feeds from KAZA 54-1 (HD) or KDOC 56-3 (SD).

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I hate that "must carry" status. Got tired of paying $9 a month "Broadcast Surcharge" for free OTA.

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Hoping that antenna pulls in the low VHF well..

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Hoping that antenna pulls in the low VHF well..


With ATSC switching from VSB to OFDM would combining aerials be easier with multi-path not being a problem with ATSC3? Correct me if I’m wrong but no please


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I hate that "must carry" status. Got tired of paying $9 a month "Broadcast Surcharge" for free OTA.
Normally I do too ...

However in this unique case, with MeTV's OTA HD outlet on such a crummy transmitter with screwed-up system metadata and no PSIP guide info.

DIRECTV carrying KAZA's feed in HD is a blessing for me right now ....

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Hoping that antenna pulls in the low VHF well..
Unfortunately it's only for VHF-hi and UHF ...

https://manuals.solidsignal.com/149883_manual.pdf

Though I doubt there is anything on the VHF-lo band you'd want, even after all the repack movements are complete. Except you may close enough to receive KVCR-24 which is to move to RF ch. 2. The PBS outlet for the inland empire.

But they're in an almost opposite direction to your location with reference to Mt. Wilson/Mt. Harvard.

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Unfortunately it's only for VHF-hi and UHF ...

https://manuals.solidsignal.com/149883_manual.pdf

Though I doubt there is anything on the VHF-lo band you'd want, even after all the repack movements are complete. Except you may close enough to receive KVCR-24 which is to move to RF ch. 2. The PBS outlet for the inland empire.

But they're in an almost opposite direction to your location with reference to Mt. Wilson/Mt. Harvard.

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For whatever reason, I thought that VHF Low included 2 through 13? Am I wrong? I'll give it try but if I'm missing content I'll send it back.

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Normally I do too ...

However in this unique case, with MeTV's OTA HD outlet on such a crummy transmitter with screwed-up system metadata and no PSIP guide info.

DIRECTV carrying KAZA's feed in HD is a blessing for me right now ....

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My purpose is to lower my monthly TV costs. I cancelled Charter Spectrum CableTV and got YoutubeTV and Hulu for much less and the antenna fills in the rest.

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For whatever reason, I thought that VHF Low included 2 through 13? Am I wrong? I'll give it try but if I'm missing content I'll send it back.

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No, VHF-lo are RF channels 2-6

VHF-hi are 7-13

UHF channels right now are 14-51, to be reduced to 14-35 after the repack is complete.

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No, VHF-lo are RF channels 2-6

VHF-hi are 7-13

UHF channels right now are 14-51, to be reduced to 14-35 after the repack is complete.

One of my favorite sites on this to refresh my age decaying memory nowadays ...

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So I might not get 2.x, 4.x and 5.x with this antenna? That doesn't sound too good to me. I'm putting it in tomorrow so I guess I'll know soon but before I install it, I'm doing a channel scan on a tripod or something just to see.

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So I might not get 2.x, 4.x and 5.x with this antenna? That doesn't sound too good to me. I'm putting it in tomorrow so I guess I'll know soon but before I install it, I'm doing a channel scan on a tripod or something just to see.
I assume you are referring to "virtual channels" and not "physical" ones. Yes you will receive all those you listed since they actually broadcast in the UHF band.

To be clear, go to Rabbitears.info and click on our market ...

https://rabbitears.info//market.php

Look under the second column titled "Physical Channel(s)."

Now any active station you see channels 2-6 (or scheduled to move there as part of the repack) in that column you won't receive with that antenna. Even if it is on Mt. Wilson/or Harvard.

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