Originally Posted by nikknightt
Thanks for this info. I can find KOCE & KLCS again..
KOCE shows as 18.11_CHNL & KLCS as 28.4_N_H_K using my Hauppauge WinTV8 app..
However, With WMC KLCS is still 58.1 & KOCE is nowhere to be found.. Not under 18 or 50..
Don't know what to say. You might communicate with Hauppauge about a possible problem in their WinTV8 channel scanning setup functionality.
The two channels are still supposed to display in Guide and onscreen info (in WMC, real TV's with hardware ATSC tuner, WinTV8, etc.) as virtual channels 50.1 and 58, no matter what digital ATSC channel number and digital sub-channel they are carried through. The "service name"
As it turns out, KOCE (50.1) is now carried as program 11 (i.e. "channel 11" shown in TSReader, which I speak of as "sub-channel 11") within OTA/ATSC digital channel 18 (497 Mhz). Technically, this is "PMT PID 0x0130 - Progr. 11". In detail this is Program number 50.1/11, PCR on PID 305 (0x0131), Service name "PBS-HD" (note this is NOT "KOCE") , Virtual channel number 50.1, Elementary stream PID 305 (0x0131) carries the MPEG-2 video.
And KLCS (58.1) is now carried as program 4 within OTA/ATSC digital channel 28 (557 Mhz). Technically, this is "PMT PID 0x0090 - Progr. 4". In detail this is Program number 58.1/4 PCR on PID 145 (0x0091), Service name "KLCS HD", Virtual channel number 58.1, Elementary stream PID 145 (0x0091) carries the MPEG-2 video.
Note that digital channel 28 carries 6 programs on the six sub-channels being used. KCET uses the first three of these (1-3) and KLCS is the other three (4-6).
And Digital channel 18 carries 11 programs on the eleven sub-channels being used. KSCI uses the first six of these (1-6) and KOCE uses the other five (11-15).
Anyway, with TSReaderLite (using the Hauppauge Generic HD ATSC tuner interface) the following results are provided in my scans of channels 18 (frequency 497 Mhz) and 28 (557 Mhz):
I have a Hauppauge WinTV QuadHD PCI Express TV Tuner Card 1609 (4 tuners) running under Win7 along with my Ceton 6-tuner cablecard-enable tuner card. I don't use WinTV8 because I need support for the Spectrum cable channels as well. Before going to WMC and Ceton back in 2010 I used to use BeyondTV (from SnapStream), but they also didn't support cablecard-enabled Ceton tuner card. And besides SnapStream and BeyondTV is no longer.
As I stated, I had no 50.1 and no 58.1 until I "stumbled" across them looking through the results of SCAN for each of the possible digital channels where they might now be. I do remember the discussion a while ago about 58 moving, but I must have missed the mention of 50 moving as well. Once I went into WMC -> Tasks -> Settings -> TV _ TV Signal -> Scan for More Channels, pushed the DELETE button to get rid of everything I had, and then pushed the SCAN button, I ended up with about 157 digital OTA/ATSC channels (can't recall exactly now and I don't want to do this again as it affects my Guide and I have to then re-edit stuff). I also went into TV Signal -> Digital TV Antenna Signal Strength so that WMC (and I) could confirm everthing and that sure enough the new sources for 50.1 and 58.1 could be proven out. Everything looked good.
And sure enough, when I finally got back to refresh my Guide info (I use elegant EPG123 Guide
mechanism replacement rather than the awful Microsoft/Rovi Guide mechanism that replaced the acceptable Microsoft/Zap2it Guide mechanism a few years ago). If you're not using it for your WMC, you should. It requires a $25/year subscription to Schedules Direct for the raw Guide Data used by EPG123 but otherwise is free for EPG123 (although you really should "donate" to the developer for this remarkable piece of software dealing with keeping WMC running just fine on Win7, now that that Microsoft has abandoned it.