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Nope. In fact, it's already started. The FCC timeline is for the cases where transmitter and antenna modifications are necessary. In cases where channels are vacated by consolidation on a single transmitter channel, it's mostly (or entirely) a done deal. Two examples: virtual 58 (KLCS) is now consolidated with virtual 28 (KCET) on the 28 transmitter and virtual 50 (KOCE) is consolidated with virtual 18 on the 18 transmitter. (And these changes occurred at different times.)

I'm guessing that you don't watch either 58 or 50 (or you view them on cable), because you'll find that neither of these are currently viewable (OTA) without a rescan.

There is at least one case where it is impossible for the change to occur at the same time: KCBS is moving to the frequency currently occupied by KTLA. For this to be possible, KTLA is moving to a new frequency and that will have to occur well in advance of the KCBS move to allow time for KCBS testing on the former KTLA frequency before they come online there.
The next round of station changes will happen at the same time.
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The next round of station changes will happen at the same time.
What is your source for this information? As I indicated above, it seems impossible in at least one case.
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What is your source for this information? As I indicated above, it seems impossible in at least one case.
The LA TV stations engineer's.
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Yeah i agree with your comment, noticed that signal gets weaker, and then it drops altogether. The channel was coming in, with no problems an hour ago, they are on cohoots with cable operators, satellite, I believe that ota is going to be around 5-10 years maximum they will pressure the fcc to sell the rest of tv spectrum, no more free tv as we know it.
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Oh, good ...

That gives me plenty of time to decide whether to hassle with putting up a new VHF-lo band capable antenna to see if I can pull in KVCR off axis from Mt. Wilson/Harvard.

Or just stay as I am now where I can't, nor try, to get KVCR OTA. And just use DIRECTV's carriage of KVCR 24-1 (but in SD only) and 24-2 (FNX).
I still have a low bander from ages ago in my attic and moving that thing around in the attic is a challenge. I might have a chance to get it on 5 vs. 26 however, since I'm heavily obstructed by the mountains between Mission Viejo and Box Springs. It will be fun to try, but for those who really care to watch KVCR OTA, it will be a nuisance in many cases. They should have really moved it to the Mt. Wilson area so we don't end up with the problem of 2 low-band stations in the LA area (KWHY/KBEH is going to 4) at vastly different angles for directional antennas.
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I still have a low bander from ages ago in my attic and moving that thing around in the attic is a challenge. I might have a chance to get it on 5 vs. 26 however, since I'm heavily obstructed by the mountains between Mission Viejo and Box Springs. It will be fun to try, but for those who really care to watch KVCR OTA, it will be a nuisance in many cases. They should have really moved it to the Mt. Wilson area so we don't end up with the problem of 2 low-band stations in the LA area (KWHY/KBEH is going to 4) at vastly different angles for directional antennas.
I have been able over some periods in the past to pick up KVCR surprisingly well in my location (just east of Porter Ranch). However, I have been unable to pick it up at all for at least the last couple of years now. I suspect that some stations periodically "tweak" their antennas to obtain better reception in certain directions. Unfortunately, for KVCR, these tweaks have been detrimental here.
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I have been able over some periods in the past to pick up KVCR surprisingly well in my location (just east of Porter Ranch). However, I have been unable to pick it up at all for at least the last couple of years now. I suspect that some stations periodically "tweak" their antennas to obtain better reception in certain directions. Unfortunately, for KVCR, these tweaks have been detrimental here.
Have or planning any VHF-lo band reception capability there for when KVCR and KWHY/KBEH move?

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Free TV that nobody will watch in about 10 years, most sports other than football, are mostly absent with OTA TV. Streaming will be the nail in the coffin. ATSC 3.0 is a band aid on a dying patient.
Not everyone's a sports fan, and OTA viewing has ticked up in recent years with cord-cutting. Streaming makes OTA *more* appealing, because it provides you with a way to get great prestige content without having to pay for a cable package. What streaming *doesn't* give you is the local TV news and the still-popular big network shows, which you can watch for free OTA.
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Not everyone's a sports fan, and OTA viewing has ticked up in recent years with cord-cutting. Streaming makes OTA *more* appealing, because it provides you with a way to get great prestige content without having to pay for a cable package. What streaming *doesn't* give you is the local TV news and the still-popular big network shows, which you can watch for free OTA.
The demo for advertising is scaring companies, their budgets are shifting online. It's the competition shows that pull the big ad dollars, what happens when there is no more Dancing With The Stars or Survior. OTA figures are deceptive we not talking dedicated viewers with DVR we're talking live viewers. We'll see.

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Have or planning any VHF-lo band reception capability there for when KVCR and KWHY/KBEH move?

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I have no plans at present. It would quite a hassle to have to put up a bulky lo-band antenna just for one or two stations!
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Is anyone else seeing KTTV's 11.1 having a tiny countdown timer, in the top left corner, during some of its commercial breaks since last week? Why are they doing that? I kind of like it even though I don't really watch commercials since I fast foward (FF)/skip most of them. I wonder if this is a local thing or all FOX stations show them.
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Is anyone else seeing KTTV's 11.1 having a tiny countdown timer, in the top left corner, during some of its commercial breaks since last week? Why are they doing that? I kind of like it even though I don't really watch commercials since I fast foward (FF)/skip most of them. I wonder if this is a local thing or all FOX stations show them.
I remember KOMO-4 Seattle using electronic dots on the uppermost line in the upper corner for commercial alerts in about 1970. This is not to be confused with standard cue dots in films or syndicated programming we all have witnessed. The electronic dots were not seen by many viewers, as their tv's were not adjusted to see the entire frame. However most Sony Trinitrons of the time could see those dots.
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The next round of station changes will happen at the same time.
Is there a time frame for this? I need to do some tweaking when it is done.

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Is anyone else seeing KTTV's 11.1 having a tiny countdown timer, in the top left corner, during some of its commercial breaks since last week? Why are they doing that? I kind of like it even though I don't really watch commercials since I fast foward (FF)/skip most of them. I wonder if this is a local thing or all FOX stations show them.
I think that's a FOX network feature they're testing. Makes commercial zapping way easy.
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Cool ATSC 3.0 and the new radio landscape

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Free TV that nobody will watch in about 10 years, most sports other than football, are mostly absent with OTA TV. Streaming will be the nail in the coffin. ATSC 3.0 is a band aid on a dying patient.
I see ATSC 3.0 repurposed to mobile use only, perhaps the new digital radio platform and mobile TV. As a one-way scheme it's pretty limited but I can see it usher in a new era of radio. DAB to DAB+ to ATSC 3.0 and surround sound in the car with tons of choices. What will FM (and AM) do but feed old radios?
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Anybody having issues with ABC? I noticed one of my OTA recordings failed last week and just checked the live image and it is still breaking up heavily. Signal level is way below other channels, even other VHF channels (9 and 11). Quality shows as 1% on my LG TV and is just constantly broken up.

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anyone having issues with KTLA? dont think my antenna is mis aligned as every other station is still getting great signal.


im just getting no signal at all for KTLA. not poor signal.
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Anybody having issues with ABC? I noticed one of my OTA recordings failed last week and just checked the live image and it is still breaking up heavily. Signal level is way below other channels, even other VHF channels (9 and 11). Quality shows as 1% on my LG TV and is just constantly broken up.
No problems with KABC-DT 7-1 here in So. LA on either the OTA TiVo or the DIRECTV off-air tuner module ...

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anyone having issues with KTLA? dont think my antenna is mis aligned as every other station is still getting great signal.


im just getting no signal at all for KTLA. not poor signal.
As with the previous poster regarding ABC 7. All appears fine for KTLA-DT 5-1 on both my TiVo and DIRECTV OTA units here in So. LA at least ...

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Working fine here out in the IE using HDHomeRun Connect Quatro tuners and attic mounted antenna.

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Working fine here out in the IE using HDHomeRun Connect Quatro tuners and attic mounted antenna.

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That's exactly what I'm using, but ABC is unwatchable. I guess I'll have to go in the attic this weekend to see if anything is up. Is that 9 and 11 both work fine though as they're also VHF

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Anybody having issues with ABC? I noticed one of my OTA recordings failed last week and just checked the live image and it is still breaking up heavily. Signal level is way below other channels, even other VHF channels (9 and 11). Quality shows as 1% on my LG TV and is just constantly broken up.
Yes, I believe it's weather related, and will be more apparent the farther you are from Mt. Wilson.
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anyone having issues with KTLA? dont think my antenna is mis aligned as every other station is still getting great signal.


im just getting no signal at all for KTLA. not poor signal.
Yes. North Hollywood here, and my KTLA reception has gone to pieces (all other channels still strong). I am getting signal, but it's very weak. Unfortunate since much of my favorite programming is on KTLA (Riverdale, Black Lightning & Crazy Ex-Girlfriend).
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No problems with either KABC or KTLA in Riverside using HDHomeRuns.
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KTLA and KABC are always very strong and problem-free here in north Granada Hills. My "nemesis" has always been KCET 28. But lately, it too has been problem free, but undoubtedly this has been due to favorable propagation conditions.
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Huh, I wonder why no one else is have KABC problems. Just went up in my attic, nothing wrong with the antenna. No movement, distro amp is still fine. Only 7 and its subchannels are messed up. Everything else comes in perfectly. Started a little less than 2 weeks ago. Has anyone noticed even a decrease in power such that maybe I'm now on a fringe where I wasn't before?

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My current channel readings..

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Here's my readings for KABC, as well as the other 2 high VHF channels - KCAL and KTTV
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Your readings show that for some reason the SNR for ch. 7 as indicated by "signal quality" and "symbol quality" is essentially crap. As your receiving almost as much noise or interference as signal.

Can you check to see if the TV set's internal tuner is having the same problem on ch. 7-1?

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Your readings show that for some reason the SNR for ch. 7 as indicated by "signal quality" and "symbol quality" is essentially crap. As your receiving almost as much noise or interference as signal.

Can you check to see if the TV set's internal tuner is having the same problem on ch. 7-1?

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Yep, checked on two different TVs (LG OLED and junky Dynex 32"), both have crap signal for RF 7 and only RF 7. I also happened to have checked 62.1 which uses RF 7 and it has the same problem as well.

About the only other thing I could see trying would be taking the distro amp out of the picture and trying to run coax directly to a TV temporarily to see if it is the problem

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