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Just wondering if anyone else is having issues with KTLA 5.1 & their sub channels. I noticed this morning I am getting no signal. It was working fine the past few days and nothing this morning. I emailed them to see if their tower was down or something else.

All other locals are coming in fine with no issues.
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Just wondering if anyone else is having issues with KTLA 5.1 & their sub channels. I noticed this morning I am getting no signal. It was working fine the past few days and nothing this morning. I emailed them to see if their tower was down or something else.

All other locals are coming in fine with no issues.
nevermind just got a response from KTLA, "We are doing some work at our transmitter site, which can impact antenna reception. We will be back to full power at noon today."

nice to know it wasn't something on my end. Also really impressed with the quick turnaround from the email.
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nevermind just got a response from KTLA, "We are doing some work at our transmitter site, which can impact antenna reception. We will be back to full power at noon today."

nice to know it wasn't something on my end. Also really impressed with the quick turnaround from the email.
There is going to be a lot of work at Mt. Wilson and Mt. Harvard over the next five months as many stations prepare to change channels and in some cases sites.
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There is going to be a lot of work at Mt. Wilson and Mt. Harvard over the next five months as many stations prepare to change channels and in some cases sites.
what are they preparing for?
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Major changes to many station's actual broadcast frequency as part of the next phase of the FCC mandated channel re-pack movement stemming from the government's recently concluded spectrum buy-back incentive auction.

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Major changes to many station's actual broadcast frequency as part of the next phase of the FCC mandated channel re-pack movement stemming from the government's recently concluded spectrum buy-back incentive auction.

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thanks. I thought maybe they were preparing for 4k OTA broadcasting.
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thanks. I thought maybe they were preparing for 4k OTA broadcasting.
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KCBS-TV moves from 43 to 31
KTLA-TV moves from 31 to 35
KWHY-TV moves from 42 to 4
KVCR-TV moves from 26 to 5
KDOC-TV moves from 32 to 12
KVEA-TV moves from 39 to 25
I did not include the various LPTVs that have to change channels.

Phase: 2 Completion Deadline: 4/12/2019

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KCBS-TV moves from 43 to 31

KTLA-TV moves from 35 to 35

KWHY-TV moves from 42 to 4

KVCR-TV moves from 26 to 5

KDOC-TV moves from 32 to 12

KVEA-TV moves from 39 to 25

I did not include the various LPTVs that have to change channels.



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Thanks for this summation ...

And just to note, KTLA is actually from "31 to 35."

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thanks. I thought maybe they were preparing for 4k OTA broadcasting.
That's 2021 or later. TV sets that can receive it are at least that far off.

https://www.cnet.com/news/atsc-3-0-t...ng-eventually/
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Does anyone know what happened to ION TV, 30.1? It seems to be off the air and I can't find it on a re-scan.
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Does anyone know what happened to ION TV, 30.1? It seems to be off the air and I can't find it on a re-scan.
Getting it here in So. LA on its new physical RF channel 24 program stream #3 ....

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I had to repoint and move mine indoor in my room. You could try another antenna like those huge CM antennae to see if that helps at all. Just be sure you can return it if it doesn't work. It seems like OTA keeps changing so it is not always the same. Annoying. Note this was years ago in my former home. Now, I can't get OTA very well due to huge hills/small mountains in the rural area I live. Even cellular is mostly blocked here.
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Where are you located?
Distance from the tower?
This one works great for me..
Televes DATBOSS Mix UHF VHF Amplified Outdoor HDTV Antenna with LTE Filter

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Well, still totally at a loss. Still no reception on KABC (177MHz). Went and bought the antenna above since it had decent reviews. Installed it today and uninstalled the old one. Had to install a new mast in the attic further back since the new antenna is much larger. SAME ISSUE! No reception on KABC!

HDHomeRun now shows 100% signal strength. Occasionally I'll see Signal Quality in the high 50's. At the same time I'll see a modulation. Never see a Symbol Quality. Same on the tuner on my LG OLED

Other High VHFs:
9-KCAL-189MHz
Old:
Signal Strength - 92%
Signal Quality - 82%
Symbol Quality - 100%
New:
Signal Strength - 100%
Signal Quality - 91%
Symbol Quality - 100%

11-KTTV-201MHz
Old:
Signal Strength - 92%
Signal Quality - 80%
Symbol Quality - 100%
New:
Signal Strength - 100%
Signal Quality - 85%
Symbol Quality - 100%

So the new antenna definitely had a positive effect. I appear to get everything I did before. I'm just at a total loss here. How can I be at 100% signal strength and not even be able to get modulation lock? Is there something else possibly running at 177MHz (where RF7 is) that could be interfering? That would be an FCC issue, right?

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Well, still totally at a loss. Still no reception on KABC (177MHz). Went and bought the antenna above since it had decent reviews. Installed it today and uninstalled the old one. Had to install a new mast in the attic further back since the new antenna is much larger. SAME ISSUE! No reception on KABC!



HDHomeRun now shows 100% signal strength. Occasionally I'll see Signal Quality in the high 50's. At the same time I'll see a modulation. Never see a Symbol Quality. Same on the tuner on my LG OLED



Other High VHFs:

9-KCAL-189MHz

Old:

Signal Strength - 92%

Signal Quality - 82%

Symbol Quality - 100%

New:

Signal Strength - 100%

Signal Quality - 91%

Symbol Quality - 100%



11-KTTV-201MHz

Old:

Signal Strength - 92%

Signal Quality - 80%

Symbol Quality - 100%

New:

Signal Strength - 100%

Signal Quality - 85%

Symbol Quality - 100%



So the new antenna definitely had a positive effect. I appear to get everything I did before. I'm just at a total loss here. How can I be at 100% signal strength and not even be able to get modulation lock? Is there something else possibly running at 177MHz (where RF7 is) that could be interfering? That would be an FCC issue, right?
Symbol Quality, a convoluted measure of SNR, is very important for receiving anything.

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BTW, You may want to post on SiliconDust's forum and/or open a ticket with them. Maybe your tuner is bad?

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And the symptoms he's experiencing with KABC usually indicate co-channel (or near adjacent channel) interference. Where there is lot's of signal strength, but the ATSC tuners can not decode the information as it's indecipherable.

Almost like jamming ....

Weird ...

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Do you have an FM trap you could put in the line at the antenna? I'm wondering if it's FM second harmonic interference.


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Do you have an FM trap you could put in the line at the antenna? I'm wondering if it's FM second harmonic interference.


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Hey Trip ...

To note, just checked and the numbers for the KSFV-CD/KPOM-CD 27 CSA and the program numbers on Rabbitears should actually be ...

14-1(vir.) is 27.6(phy.)
14-2(vir.) is 27.7(phy.)
14-3(vir.) is 27.8(phy.)
27-1(vir.) is 27.9(phy.)
27-2(vir.) is 27.10(phy.)
27-5(vir.) is 27.13(phy.)

Interesting I'm receiving them (though obviously weak) from far to the east on Box Springs Mtn. which serves the IE, here in So. LA on a directional antenna pointed squarely at Mt. Wilson/Mt. Harvard.

As I usually get nothing from any IE area station.

Must be the current signal propagation conditions with this cold snap we're having throughout So. Cal right now ....

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To note, just checked and the numbers for the KSFV-CD/KPOM-CD 27 CSA and the program numbers on Rabbitears should actually be ...

Thanks; fixed.


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Interesting I'm receiving them (though obviously weak) from far to the east on Box Springs Mtn. which serves the IE, here in So. LA on a directional antenna pointed squarely at Mt. Wilson/Mt. Harvard.

I think they've moved off of Box Spring Mountain and to this facility: https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....f&site=1&map=Y


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I have noticed that Ion tv, channel 30.1 is gone. Anyone know were it went?
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I have noticed that Ion tv, channel 30.1 is gone. Anyone know were it went?

Rescan. It changed frequency on 12/20.


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Rescan. It changed frequency on 12/20.


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Thanks for the quick response. Rescanned. Back at 100%.
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Same problem on the built in tuners on several TVs being fed off the same antenna (either direct or thru a distro amp), so not limited to the HDHomeRun

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And the symptoms he's experiencing with KABC usually indicate co-channel (or near adjacent channel) interference. Where there is lot's of signal strength, but the ATSC tuners can not decode the information as it's indecipherable.

Almost like jamming ....

Weird ...

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That's kinda what it flt like to me which would indicate something in that frequency range that shouldn't be there since the broadcast TV spectrum is regulated.

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Do you have an FM trap you could put in the line at the antenna? I'm wondering if it's FM second harmonic interference.


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I don't have an FM trap. FM tops out at 108 MHz. By second harmonic, are you thinking interference from 88.5 with KABC being the second harmonic? I do see that KCSN is on 88.5, but as far as I can tell nothing has changed there.

I did do a little playing around with the old antenna last night since I removed it from the attic and did see some odd behavior as I moved it to a theoretically worse location (further to the interior of the home and at a lower altitude). I think I actually got KABC to come in but since I was doing it by hand and I was around the corner with the antenna, I'm not actually sure. Need to do some more experimentation today once I find my tripod to act as a temporary antenna mast stand. If it is true, I don't know what exactly that means, but maybe if I move the antenna to a slightly different location in the attic (my test spot was no more than 10 feet for the current antenna location), maybe there's a chance. Still wouldn't explain why it suddenly died with no adjustments by me.

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Well, I made a pretty ghetto antenna mount for the old antenna using a lamp! I moved it around to various places and have it plugged directly into a Dynex TV and I got lock on KABC! I even moved it almost directly under the new antenna and pointed it in the same direction and I still get lock. I then plugged it into the HDHomeRun and get lock. Readings are 81%/68%/100%. At this point, the only difference between the two antennas should be altitude and the exact material of the wall it is pointing thru.

I do have another theory based on the harmonic idea. I was definitely not careful about where I placed the coax in the attic. I wonder if I placed it parallel to an AC cable (romex) and I'm getting some coupling. Nominal AC should be 60Hz, and my KillAWatt shows 59.9-60.0Hz, but I wonder if it is close enough?

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COAX should knock out induced current. Are you using RG6?

Still odd this popped up out of nowhere..

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Still odd this popped up out of nowhere..

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Yeah, it's RG6. And I just came up with another hair brained theory. The city recently replaced the street lights in the neighborhood with LEDs. The timeframe is approximately correct, but I don't know for sure. Doesn't explain why I always have interference (I would expect it only when the lights are on) and why it only affects KABC. But the slight difference in positioning might take just enough of a different path to not go directly thru a streetlight???

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Yeah, it's RG6. And I just came up with another hair brained theory. The city recently replaced the street lights in the neighborhood with LEDs. The timeframe is approximately correct, but I don't know for sure. Doesn't explain why I always have interference (I would expect it only when the lights are on) and why it only affects KABC. But the slight difference in positioning might take just enough of a different path to not go directly thru a streetlight???
And inexplicably it would seem, I have KABC back... I had already started to see a pretty pixelated picture without doing anything to mess with the antenna which is really confusing. I was at 0% symbol quality last night and by this afternoon I had some symbol quality

I went back up in the attic intent on doing some movement of the antenna based on my previous experience. I unmounted the mast and moved the antenna a bit (about 3 feet to the left) and I lost everything on KABC (100% signal strength, no quality, no symbols). So I moved it back, and got back the pixelated screen. So then I did a little twisting. Went a couple degrees counter clockwise (further west) and I lost KABC again. So I went clockwise (further north/east) past where I was initially and I got to 100% symbol quality, ~70% signal quality, 100% signal strength.

What I can't understand is the direction I ended up at. I should be at ~330 degrees which is where I was initially at. I wound up closer to 355 degrees maybe even due north.

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Have tried the Tower Finder app?

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I notice recently that I'm getting MeTV on both 54.1 and 56.3. Has there been a frequency change or repack recently or did they up the broadcast power?

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I notice recently that I'm getting MeTV on both 54.1 and 56.3. Has there been a frequency change or repack recently or did the up the broadcast power?

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No, this is nothing new. I have noticed that ch. 54.1 has been carrying the identical program material as ch. 56.3 for a long time; at least a year, I believe.
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