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You'll have to play with both the amplifier and the position of the antenna to see if you can bring in both Fox (channel 11) and ABC (channel 7). Both of those are high-VHF and a lot of the little antennas sold now have problems with VHF signals.


If it has to be indoors, maybe something like a Clearstream 2v could work in a window. It's a pretty good antenna.
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For some reason I lost 5-1, have 5- 2,3 and 4 though. Anyone else. Did a rescan, still the same.
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So is retro tv gone from 63-3 for everyone else? It’s now LA-1 en espanol. Is retro moving or gone forever?
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For some reason I lost 5-1, have 5- 2,3 and 4 though. Anyone else. Did a rescan, still the same.
Still getting 5-1 here fine in So. LA. ...

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So is retro tv gone from 63-3 for everyone else? It’s now LA-1 en espanol. Is retro moving or gone forever?
Yep, obviously a change in format with KBEH going all Spanish now with this new channel and dropping Retro TV.

And with RTV's old location on KFLA 8-3 forever down (just color bars for months now). I guess that spells the end of RTV in this market for the time being anyhow.

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So, what may account for the fact that I pick up the the rest of the channel 5-2 through 4#'s with an 85 signal strength,
but not 5-1? They have to be broadcasted from the same tower, yes?
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KDOC is up on physical 12 with a test pattern so it looks like they're advancing toward their move. I have no idea how it'll be until the actual move, however. It still might be quite a while.
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KVCR and the San Diego stations are apparently planning to move on March 14. That's according to an FCC filing from KPBS yesterday.


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KDOC is up on physical 12 with a test pattern so it looks like they're advancing toward their move. I have no idea how it'll be until the actual move, however. It still might be quite a while.
Good catch ...

Just reads as "12-1" with no further PSIP info. on my TV's ATSC tuner after a rescan.

After re-scanning my TiVo, assigned it to former KTBV-LD's primary channel which I have checked off my guide list. So didn't see it at first.

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KVCR and the San Diego stations are apparently planning to move on March 14. That's according to an FCC filing from KPBS yesterday.


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Trip, KTBV-LD 12-1 thru -4 appears to be off the air here now, which is obviously why KDOC can begin testing there with color bars on 12-1 virtual and physical. So guess you can update rabbitears accordingly .. .



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There's no guarantee that KTBV-LD is off the air yet; KDOC could just be swamping it.


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For some reason I lost 5-1, have 5- 2,3 and 4 though. Anyone else. Did a rescan, still the same.
Check to see if your "favorites" list (or whatever your set calls it) has been edited to disable the display of virtual channel 5-1.

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There's no guarantee that KTBV-LD is off the air yet; KDOC could just be swamping it.


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Ok, that's possible;

But unless I just couldn't receive KTBV-LD here in So. LA to begin with, it's been missing from my lists of received channels on my TV, OTA TiVo, and DIRECTV DVR (via a connected AM21 tuner module accessory). All of which have been rescaned many times over the past months long before KDOC's test signal went up.

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KDOC is up on physical 12 with a test pattern so it looks like they're advancing toward their move. I have no idea how it'll be until the actual move, however. It still might be quite a while.
Being physical channel 11 and 13 are occupied in L.A. how can this work. I always thought the rule was adjacent channels weren't allowed ?

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Being physical channel 11 and 13 are occupied in L.A. how can this work. I always thought the rule was adjacent channels weren't allowed ?
For analog TV yes, but for technical reasons not necessary for digital TV signals which may be spaced adjacently without mutual interference.

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For analog TV yes, but for technical reasons not necessary for digital TV signals which may be spaced adjacently without mutual interference.

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For analog TV yes, but for technical reasons not necessary for digital TV signals which may be spaced adjacently without mutual interference.
Although this is mostly true, there are apparently a few cases where there can still be trouble with adjacent channels. For instance, the upcoming moves of KTLA from 31 to 35 followed by KCBS from 43 to 31 is a case in point. I've wondered why not simply move KCBS to 35? The best answer that I could find was that KCBS couldn't be adjacent to KNBC (36), but KTLA could. There was no further information that I could find. Maybe Trip knows more?
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Adjacency is permitted as long as the stations are reasonably co-located and have similar antenna patterns. Basically, a receiver can handle adjacent-channel signals just fine as long as they're within about 30 dB of each other in strength. If there's a significant area where two stations differ by more than 30 dB, then it can create a problem for viewers.

The TVStudy software that I work on for the FCC is used to determine whether stations can co-exist or not. In the case of KCBS/KTLA, the issue was that KCBS (placed on 35) could not be adjacent to KNBC (on 36), while KTLA (if moved from 31 to 35) could and KCBS could fit on 31. I don't know the specific location that made it unacceptable, but that calculated interference would have been the cause.

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Crap ....

Was enjoying the "Mod Squad" on the DECADES's ch. weekly weekend marathon on KAZA 54-2. And as it frequently does, the station's OTA signal goes out. Been down for hours now.

Sign ... I hate KAZA/KHTV ...

Note: I know it's the OTA signal because DIRECTV via microwave or fiber I assume, is still broadcasting 54-1 just fine on their local satellite feeds to the LA market.

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I suspect that it will be this way for a long time to come. They have both just spent the money to do the repack and it's unclear (to me at least) that they would save enough (or indeed any) money by packing both on a separate channel (if such a channel is even available).
When they originally announced the merger, they said that they would be keeping the 28 and 50 channels separate with their separate identities, but that they would share some programs to provide more viewing opportunites. Of course, there's no guarantee that they won't change their minds in the future. But that was their stated intent for the indefinite future.
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7.1 is borderline low VHF so susceptible to interference.

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Actually, 7 is the bottom end of VHF high and is not close to VHF low:

VHF low = channels 2-6 = 54 to 88 Mhz
VHF high = channels 7-13 = 174 to 216 Mhz

So there is a gap of 86 Mhz between VHF low and VHF high, which is not really borderline.
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Actually, 7 is the bottom end of VHF high and is not close to VHF low:

VHF low = channels 2-6 = 54 to 88 Mhz
VHF high = channels 7-13 = 174 to 216 Mhz

So there is a gap of 86 Mhz between VHF low and VHF high, which is not really borderline.

Exactly. And it should be noted that this large gap includes the entire FM broadcast band (88 - 108 MHz) and an important aviation band as well.
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Anybody catch the rescan crawl on KCBS, this weekend? I saw part of it, but missed any date they might have mentioned.

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KTLA is running spots saying to re-scan on March 18 at Noon.
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KTLA is running spots saying to re-scan on March 18 at Noon.
Thanks. Since they have to move first, I imagine the CBS2 date is pretty close to that.

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Anybody catch the rescan crawl on KCBS, this weekend? I saw part of it, but missed any date they might have mentioned.

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Yes I think is said Apr 12.
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Anybody catch the rescan crawl on KCBS, this weekend? I saw part of it, but missed any date they might have mentioned.

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Yes, I think it was last week I first saw that. It gave a website to visit...

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Confirmed. 4/12 at 10am. Thanks.

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Confirmed. 4/12 at 10am. Thanks.
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RF12 is baffling me still. KDOC ID's on it now and then but then vanishes to nothing decodable. Still testing, I presume.

I will be most curious about KVCR RF 5 when they move. I'm sure it will do better over the mountains for me than 26 does now. But I'm still scratching my head on them building a new tower on Box Springs Mtn. vs. co-locating to Mt. Wilson/Mt. Harvard, especially since we will have another Lo-V there (on 4). I'm not keen on non-co-located antennas on the same band, but it's a common problem in this country. And many markets are much worse about it than LA.
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And what a birthday present for me.

I haven't been on here a while and a lot of posts!

RF12 is baffling me still. KDOC ID's on it now and then but then vanishes to nothing decodable. Still testing, I presume.

I will be most curious about KVCR RF 5 when they move. I'm sure it will do better over the mountains for me than 26 does now. But I'm still scratching my head on them building a new tower on Box Springs Mtn. vs. co-locating to Mt. Wilson/Mt. Harvard, especially since we will have another Lo-V there (on 4). I'm not keen on non-co-located antennas on the same band, but it's a common problem in this country. And many markets are much worse about it than LA.
KDOC-TV is still testing.
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