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I have attached my TV Fool report. Is there ANY (practical) antenna system that is going to get me an ABC affiliate? I think the Catskills are going to be an issue with receiving anything from Albany.

Thanks for any opinions.
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As for an ABC affiliate, what about WNEP-TV channel 16 from Scranton, PA or WIVT-TV channel 34 from Binghamton?
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As for an ABC affiliate, what about WNEP-TV channel 16 from Scranton, PA or WIVT-TV channel 34 from Binghamton?
They are both well over 100 miles away through big mountains in all directions,, and WIVT is pretty weak even here where I live , just 21 miles from the tower..
Both those stations are UHF... His best bet really seems to be WABC RF 7 in the city at about 70 miles...
Might be worth a try with a Stellar Labs 30-2476 High VHF antenna, and a good high gain booster on the longest mast you can safely mount.. They are on sale DIRT cheap right now, and you might do better mounting two of them, Less than $24 + shipping right now!!


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I agree that the OP would probably have a better chance of getting WABC on 7 than WTEN on 26 (the Albany ABC station), and that he'll need a good deep-fringe, high-VHF antenna to do it. I was surprised to see that WTEN wasn't listed on his TVFool radar plot, nor was WCWN (RF43, CW) although both are on the same tower as WRGB (6), WXXA (7), WNYT (12) and WMHT (34). So I checked my own location, about 10 miles from the tower. They're not listed there either.

To the OP: If you click on any station in the list on the radar plot page (not the image you posted) you'll see a side view of the terrain between the transmitter and your location. Using your zip code, 12561, it looks like some high mountain peaks toward Albany but lower mountains toward NYC.
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Get the big Stellar Labs antenna.. Its on sale at a whopping $23.00 + shipping.. I have it, and it pulls in 2 High VHF stations over endless rugged mountain ranges .. those stations are 75 miles away, and I get them at 60% with no booster, and the antenna maybe 15 feet up.. Gets close to 75% at 20 feet.. If that antenna doesn't bring in WABC nothing will.. Its worth a try.. its big, but VERY light, and very solidly built!. bob
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Thanks for all the advice.

I have an old Radio Shack antenna that looks something like the attached picture. The boom length is 13 feet. I think it is a pretty high gain antenna, but it is mounted in the attic of a 2 story house, about 25 feet above the ground. Roof mounting is not a practical option. Is the Stellar Labs antenna likely to be better than this?

I currently get CW/CBS from Kingston on 45.1 (solid), NBC from Albany on 13.1 (marginal, but usually watchable - was solid until they lowered the transmit antenna), and FOX on 23.1 (marginal, but usually watchable). I wish I could get ABC and PBS, especially since they come from the same place.

BTW, I was getting ABC on 36.1 (solid) until they stopped transmitting.
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Sounds like you're getting the VHF signals (WXXA and WNYT) and CBS/CW via the translator, but none of the UHFs from Albany. WTEN is missing from the chart, probably due to on-going database problems at TVFool, but WMHT should be roughly equivalent since it shares an antenna with WTEN and is only slightly lower in power. Based on your chart and on the fact that you receive WXXA, WABC from New York is not likely to be a solution. (At minimum, you would not be able to receive WXXA and WABC at the same time.)

My guess is that if you could get the antenna outside, you would have a shot at WTEN and WMHT from Albany. Absent that, you've not told us how long a cable run you have, whether or not you have an amplifier, etc.

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Trip - thanks for your input.

There is a run of coax from the antenna in the attic to the basement (~25') that connects a mast-mount amplifier to its power supply. From there, there is maybe 10' of coax to the TV. The amplifier is also from Radio Shack, of the same vintage as the antenna (~1990 or so).
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OP.. Most guys here know a lot more than I do, but I know this area and yours fairly well... Here are my thoughts , although I am a rank amateur.. I get decent reception through very rough terrain , possibly even worse than you have in New Paltz and beyond.. All of my signals are 2 edge or Tropo.. WTEN to you is 1 edge and substantially closer than what I am drawing from here .. Looking at your terrain maps you don't have the problems I do.. I think you can get one of the ABC affiliates on your report..

However, you REALLY need to get the antenna out on the roof.. I would bet that a big high gain UHF Yagi or a big High VHF antenna 10 or more feet over your roof with a decent preamp will give you a decent shot at WABC[ vhf] or WTEN [uhf].. You won't get what you want with that antenna in the attic however...
In this terrain even my strongest stations will not come in at all through the roof 25 feet above ground level... Even with the big UHF and VHF antennas I bought this winter waiting to be installed, I get ZERO stations, and my signal strengths look like yours and worse,, However, put the same antennas outside only 10 feet above ground level and i get 20 strong stations with each antenna.. By keeping it inside, you are cutting your already poor signal strength in half.. My report is worse than yours by a good margin, yet I get solid results on stations further away, and weaker than you have there... Take your pick and buy either an 91 X UHF antenna or clone, or the big Stellar labs High VHF antenna, and have at it.. They are cheap, you can get both for probably $90 right to your door. Thats what I would do, get them both and see what works better for you.
. However, keep them in the attic, and you are shooting yourself in the foot at those distances.. I just ordered the xtreme signal hdb91x on sale, $45 shipped..

The big Stellar Labs high VHF is now on sale for a whopping $23.00 plus shipping.. One of these is bound to get you the stations you want...
Go to any hardware store, get a 10 foot electrical conduit pole, for about $10, and see what pops up outdoors.. In my opinion you'll be surprised..
Remember that outside the roof, you are doubling the strength of the available signals... bob
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Hello everyone, new user here and I'm so glad I found this forum. I only know one other person who has gone the antenna route near me so I have had nothing to compare to. Recently got rid of Spectrum and bought an antenna (ClearStream 4Max). I mounted it on the roof, it is pointed southeast. I also installed a 4 amp splitter boost which got me the 18s and 51s, couldn't get them without it. I must have moved it 100 times to figure out the best reception. I'm in Perth NY which is right near Amsterdam. Below is a list of all the channels I get and I'm basically wondering if this is good? 34 in all. Are there others I should be getting? Thanks!!!
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6.1 WRGB CBS HD
6.2 TBD What's Next
6.3 Comet
10.1 WTEN
10.2 Get TV
10.3 Justice
10.4 Escape
13.1 WNYT HD
13.2 WNYT Me TV
13.3 WNYT H&I
17.1 WMHT PBS HD
17.2 WMHT CR Create
17.3 WMHT WO
17.4 WMHT KI
18.3 WNYT HD
18.4 Me TV
18.5 H&I
23.1 WXXA FOX HD
23.2 WXXA OTB
23.3 WXXA LF Laff
23.4 WXXA BC Bounce
45.1 WCWN CW 15 HD
45.2 Charge!
45.3 WRGB CBS
45.4 Stadium
51.1 WNYA HD
51.2 LightTV
51.3 Decades
55.1 ION
55.2 QUBO
55.3 ION Life
55.4 Shop
55.5 QVC
55.6 HSN
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Hello everyone, new user here and I'm so glad I found this forum. I only know one other person who has gone the antenna route near me so I have had nothing to compare to. Recently got rid of Spectrum and bought an antenna (ClearStream 4Max). I mounted it on the roof, it is pointed southeast. I also installed a 4 amp splitter boost which got me the 18s and 51s, couldn't get them without it. I must have moved it 100 times to figure out the best reception. I'm in Perth NY which is right near Amsterdam. Below is a list of all the channels I get and I'm basically wondering if this is good? 34 in all. Are there others I should be getting? Thanks!!!
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6.1 WRGB CBS HD
6.2 TBD What's Next
6.3 Comet
10.1 WTEN
10.2 Get TV
10.3 Justice
10.4 Escape
13.1 WNYT HD
13.2 WNYT Me TV
13.3 WNYT H&I
17.1 WMHT PBS HD
17.2 WMHT CR Create
17.3 WMHT WO
17.4 WMHT KI
18.3 WNYT HD
18.4 Me TV
18.5 H&I
23.1 WXXA FOX HD
23.2 WXXA OTB
23.3 WXXA LF Laff
23.4 WXXA BC Bounce
45.1 WCWN CW 15 HD
45.2 Charge!
45.3 WRGB CBS
45.4 Stadium
51.1 WNYA HD
51.2 LightTV
51.3 Decades
55.1 ION
55.2 QUBO
55.3 ION Life
55.4 Shop
55.5 QVC
55.6 HSN
That's everything around here. But are you in the wrong direction for WFNY, on 48.1? They have Antenna TV, which you seem to be missing.
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That's everything around here. But are you in the wrong direction for WFNY, on 48.1? They have Antenna TV, which you seem to be missing.
48.1 must have a weak signal. It is 11 miles away and I have never been able to get it in. I was actually wondering if they are no longer broadcasting.
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Who is channel 18 on that list?
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Who is channel 18 on that list?
translator of WNYT. Its on UHF so I guess if folks have issues with VHF (WNYT is on RF12) there is a backup.
It maps to the same as the "mothership" numbers of 13-1, 13-2 and 13-3 but some TV's have issues with multiple stations having same PSIP so it puts one set to their "legit" or actual RF numbers which are 18.3, 18.4 and 18.5 as seen in the link. Lots of stations start their actual RF numbers as RF number.3 which maps to PSIP.1

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Now I'm curious. Can anyone get 48.1 here?
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48.1 must have a weak signal. It is 11 miles away and I have never been able to get it in. I was actually wondering if they are no longer broadcasting.
Oh yes! They're on! They just added Antenna TV in December when it was dropped in Albany. But that's weird if you can't get it. Actually, sometime this spring, they're planning a major power boost by adding a new antenna. They'll also be lowering their RF spot on the dial... ending up on ch. 15 (IIRC)

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Looking for hopefully inexpensive antenna recommendation for my mother's house in Troy, near Wynantskill. My Brother-In-Law got her one of those cellophane like stick on window indoor antennas and it works decent, but she is missing channel 6 and 13 pixelates and freezes a lot. Are there any decent indoor antennas that actually pick up Channel 6 well? She has gone OTA only since Spectrum went all digital and she lost the QAM channels.
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Looking for hopefully inexpensive antenna recommendation for my mother's house in Troy, near Wynantskill. My Brother-In-Law got her one of those cellophane like stick on window indoor antennas and it works decent, but she is missing channel 6 and 13 pixelates and freezes a lot. Are there any decent indoor antennas that actually pick up Channel 6 well? She has gone OTA only since Spectrum went all digital and she lost the QAM channels.
Most any indoor unit should be sufficient for WRGB due to their UHF presence on 45.3 Their main RF6 signal is very difficult to capture indoors, especially if the antenna only has UHF pickup. Most indoor units (although weak) have VHF capabilities.
WNYT should be easier to get, especially in Troy since there's a ch. 18 translator close by. A decent indoor unit should be good for that. Just in case, I'd make sure it has VHF dipoles, for a chance to pickup WNYA ("My4" - LightTV - Decades) on 51.1-51.2-51.3 (RF 13)
Fox 23 is also VHF -- RF 7.

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An antenna suitable for channel 6 would probably be expensive to buy and difficult to mount indoors since they tend to be massive Yagis. However, if you don't need all the directors and a reflector, and at under 20 miles you probably don't, it's easy to make one from plans here. For ch. 6 (85MHz) the math works out to about 66". That's what I'm using in my attic along with a 4-bay bowtie for UHF. Although not designed for high VHF it works well enough on the 3 we have. I'm ~10 miles from the transmitters. Since one side of my house roughly faces the transmitters and the antenna isn't very directional anyway, I mounted it on that wall and it takes up hardly any space.

If you don't have twin lead I suspect you could do nearly as well with ordinary wire mounted on a frame. Either way, you'll need a balun (300 ohm wires to 75 ohm coax) and a UHF/VHF coupler (a.k.a. UVSJ) for the 2 antennas.

Since you're getting marginal reception of WNYT I suspect you're getting it from ch. 18, not 12. It's closer (6 miles) but there are at least 2 mountain peaks in the way (2Edge).
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I've seen some $20 rabbit ears indoor antennas at Walmart and Home Depot. Are those any good to get 6 indoors?

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Antennas for capital region

Hi all. I'm the former Chief Engineer of WNYT, Channel 13, having retired about 3+ years ago. I've had a fair amount of experience with Over-The-Air reception issues, and I'll try to offer some advice.

As others have pointed out, the problem with most of the smaller antennas, including the flat antennas is that they tend to work best at UHF frequencies, WXXA, WNYT and WNYA broadcast on high band VHF channels 7, 12 and 13 respectively, and WRGB is on low band VHF channel 6 (below the FM band). Some of the flat antennas also tend to pick up signals in different directions depending on the channel which can make it difficult to get all of the channels with the same antenna orientation. The other issue with indoor antennas is that the signals (especially low band VHF) are attenuated and are subject to electrical noise inside of the home from various appliances. Indoor antennas are also subject to reflections off of people as they move around in the room, which destabilizes reception. Having said that, it is possible to get stable reception of the area TV stations using an indoor antenna.

If possible, I recommend using a smaller conventional antenna that is mounted in the attic. While this isn't as good as an outdoor mounted antenna, it has the advantage of getting the antenna away from the influence of signal reflections as people move about a room, and a smaller conventional antenna has a more even frequency response to receive all channels. The Channel Master CM-3016 is an example of an antenna that fits well in an attic. A coaxial cable can be run from the attic either inside or outside of the home to a location where it can feed the former Cable TV wiring. A small amplifier at the antenna or before the splitter(s) can boost the signal level to overcome the cable and splitter losses. The antenna should be pointed towards the Helderbergs where 7 of the stations are located. The beam width of the CM-3016 is wide enough that it will also pick up nearly all of the other stations depending on your specific location. Any similar antenna to the Channel Master should work fine. I've used this method at several locations, including my own home, and am quite satisfied with the performance.

If an attic antenna isn't feasible, and you need to locate an alternative antenna near the TV, try to mount the antenna so that is as high as possible in the room. If possible, the antenna should be in an area where it is near a window on the side toward the Helderbergs. This is especially important if your home is sided with aluminum or has foil faced insulation in the walls. A simple set of rabbit ears (like the RCA ANT-111 without a tuning control - just rods and a loop) can work well. Be sure to extend the rods as much as possible to help pick up WRGB. Also try to get the rods as horizontal as possible to maximize signal pickup. An alternative is a flat antenna like the HD-Blade available at Solid Signal and others. The HD-Blade has both VHF and UHF elements, and can be mounted on a window.

Hope some of this helps.

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Whoever collaborated to switch Antenna TV with "LightTV" at WNYT should be run out of town!
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Whoever collaborated to switch Antenna TV with "LightTV" at WNYT should be run out of town!
Get the pitch forks!!

OTB for Light TV would have been a better switch.
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I got this email from Dan Viles the General Manager WYBN TV 14.

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Great news by June we will be transmitting from the old site that TV 25 WVBG UPN was at. We 200 ft from where the TV 45 tower is. Unless you are in a deep hole you will get us no sweat.
From the PDF maps included in his email it looks to be near Voorheesville.

So is this a step forward for viewers? I hope so, eight more OTA channels would be great.
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I got this email from Dan Viles the General Manager WYBN TV 14.



From the PDF maps included in his email it looks to be near Voorheesville.

So is this a step forward for viewers? I hope so, eight more OTA channels would be great.
I got that email too And I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it doesn't end up a blind alley, just as the promises were when they first signed on! As long as it puts out a signal that can actually be SEEN... then it's all good!

Also remember... WFNY 48.1 Gloversville, is also on the verge of sending a viewable signal down this way as well. The TV "re-pack" is starting to happen. If from what I've heard is correct, no stations will be permitted to operate above RF 36, so anything above that needs to shunt (not shut) down the dial. For WFNY, I believe they're moving to 16 or 17. "ION" in Amsterdam will need to move as well. Part of the WFNY move, includes a substantial raise in their current ERP!

Time will tell how all this plays out. Could be interesting
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Plugging WYBN's proposed location into Google Earth puts it about .16 miles from the Community Tower in the Helderbergs. A good location since most OTA users have their antennas pointed that direction already. Also, it would seem a little less ridiculous for them to claim Cobleskill as their city of record, although their coverage map shows Cobleskill's reception to be spotty at best. I expect folks in Windham won't be pleased unless WYBN keeps that transmitter going as a repeater.
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What is the proposed date for the ch 48.1 change? For the life I'm me I still can't figure out why I can't get that.
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What is the proposed date for the ch 48.1 change? For the life I'm me I still can't figure out why I can't get that.
It's really strange that you can't! But even as a last resort have you at least pointed your antenna toward their tower? For you, it's directly northwest.
https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/map-...120131ACD&.map

And when I last spoke to them, there WAS no specific date. They were waiting for the snow to melt and the ground to thaw. The original date was "Spring"... but since then the weather hasn't cooperated much.
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I have tried a lot of different things. I'm actually not convinced they are still on the air.
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