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It is fascinating they would take them down premiere week. Do you remember when the new season started just after Labor day?
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Tower crews are booked solid around the country, as soon as the crew is done they're moving on to somewhere else. So they likely didn't have a choice on the specific day or week it would be done, just whenever the contracted crew finished their previous project and was able to make it to their site.

At least Albany is getting their final upgraded facilities done now. Philly has to wait until 2020 for KYW, WPSG and WPPX to finish their final upgrades, and a bunch of the Boston and NYC stations are still at reduced power too.

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The spat is with Sinclair, and that deadline is tommorow at 5pm ET and only affects WRGB and WCWN, not WTEN or WMHT. That has nothing to do with the OTA signals though.

WMHT does have a message on their website saying they are in the final phases of the work and will be done by the end of this month, so it could be them getting ready to fire up the shared antenna.
Sinclair, Spinclair it doesn't matter, it's all a tug-of-war over a "few" dollars. It's fishy when some of the other OTA go down when just a couple days before others are supposed to go dark.


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It is fascinating they would take them down premiere week. Do you remember when the new season started just after Labor day?
Just in time to "poke the bears", us the paying viewers.
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I just checked and all of the Helderberg stations are on. Some (particularly WMHT) are stronger than they were between the channel change and now. I have excellent reception of all except WNYA (VC 51, RF 13) which is the same as it's always been: good strength but marginal quality. That should get better when they and WXXA change channels but that won't happen until next summer (repack phase 10). They've been granted permission to almost double their power when they move to RF 7 and they have a pending application to move to the Community Tower, about 485' higher than currently.
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Yep, they're at their full power now:
https://www.wmht.org/rescan/
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Update Thursday, September 26, 2019: WMHT has successfully moved to our new transmitter and is operating at full power as of Thursday, September 25. Now is the time to rescan.
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I just checked and all of the Helderberg stations are on. Some (particularly WMHT) are stronger than they were between the channel change and now. I have excellent reception of all except WNYA (VC 51, RF 13) which is the same as it's always been: good strength but marginal quality. That should get better when they and WXXA change channels but that won't happen until next summer (repack phase 10). They've been granted permission to almost double their power when they move to RF 7 and they have a pending application to move to the Community Tower, about 485' higher than currently.
I can't wait until Decades & H&I are fixed. Both stations have great programs that my family enjoys watching daily.
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Yep, they're at their full power now:
https://www.wmht.org/rescan/
In Glens Falls, my ChannelMaster tuner shows WMHT, WCWN, WTEN all at 90% now.

For my TiVo, they're at 70, which is amazingly high for TiVo.
(For comparison on the TiVo, WNYT is 67 and WXXA is 74. WNYA is 52. WYPX is 55. WRGB 54).

How is everyone else out there who was having problems doing now? Is it better than before?
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Here are two scans of the UHF channels 14 to 25. The one dated 8/21/2019 was done when WCWN, WTEN and WMHT were still at decreased power. Today's scan shows the increase, especially WMHT. It looks like WYBN also increased power. It's not on the Community Tower as the others are, but it's very close by. BTW, if you're wondering why RF 18 looks so poor, it's one of WNYT's repeaters and I don't have an antenna aimed at it.

WCWN is the strongest but I wonder what the signal is that appears on both sides of it. It didn't have that in the earlier scan. It doesn't affect my reception, though.
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WYBN doesn't have an application to increase their power on RF 14, they can't because of land mobile use on RF's 14-16 in NYC. It's probably just some atmospheric affects from the current weather pattern.

However, today they were granted a displacement application to move to RF 26 with greater power, and avoid causing interference on RF 14.
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WYBN doesn't have an application to increase their power on RF 14, they can't because of land mobile use on RF's 14-16 in NYC. It's probably just some atmospheric affects from the current weather pattern.

However, today they were granted a displacement application to move to RF 26 with greater power, and avoid causing interference on RF 14.
That is amazing news for me! (UHF 14 I get WPTZ for some weird reason that overpowers WYBN).
I wonder when that will be completed?
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WYBN-LD is a low power signal, Glenn Falls is outside of its noise limited contour and is mostly in the red on the propogation maps. The CP for RF 26 also puts Glenn Falls outside of its contour and in the red. You might have better luck without WPTZ on the same number, but it might take a stronger antenna to get it reliably.

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WYBN doesn't have an application to increase their power on RF 14, they can't because of land mobile use on RF's 14-16 in NYC. It's probably just some atmospheric affects from the current weather pattern.
I think it's more likely that WYBN was running at lower-than-normal power while the others were doing tower work because their tower is quite close to the one the others are on.
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Is WYBN gettting rid of buzzr? Their website list TuffTv not buzzr.
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Their website is highly outdated. Tuff TV ceased operations back in 2018 and lost many of their affiliates a few years prior to that after they split from Luken.
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Thanks. I never heard of Tufftv.
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WNGN RF36 is back at it again, "test signal on" alternating with a graphic on 33-1 and DayStar on 33-2. Point your antenna towards Schuylerville (according to Rabbit Ears) to see if you can receive it. I didn't change my antenna, it faces the Albany towers, but it's picking it up at about 55-60%. I am about 20 miles from there.
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WRGB 6.1-6.3 is only at 56% signal tonight...and 89% quality! I wonder what's going on???
Normally I get them at 75%.
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WRGB 6.1-6.3 is only at 56% signal tonight...and 89% quality! I wonder what's going on???
Normally I get them at 75%.


I'm lucky if I get 35-40%, and that's on a good day. To bad all the area channels can't get there act together.
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WRGB 6.1-6.3 is only at 56% signal tonight...and 89% quality! I wonder what's going on???
Normally I get them at 75%.
It's probably the slow moving cold front going through the area.
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It's probably the slow moving cold front going through the area.
I wonder. Up in Glens Falls, same thing. This morning WRGB was just below threshold needed to see it. Haven't checked it this afternoon yet though.
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I wonder. Up in Glens Falls, same thing. This morning WRGB was just below threshold needed to see it. Haven't checked it this afternoon yet though.
It's back to normal this evening. But I doubt it was weather related.
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WYBN didn't change anything that I'm aware of, but today is the first time I've ever received their signal consistently almost all day. I'm on the Queensbury / Glens Falls border and usually get WPTZ interfering. It's probably this weather pattern we are in now with a strong low off the long island / mass coast.

On a side note, why is it that their channel doesn't play properly on older tuners? My TiVO can't play or record it properly, and my old Channel Master DVR has issues with it, too. Is it a technology cliff my older components have fallen off of, or are there things they're not doing right?
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On a side note, why is it that their channel doesn't play properly on older tuners? My TiVO can't play or record it properly, and my old Channel Master DVR has issues with it, too. Is it a technology cliff my older components have fallen off of, or are there things they're not doing right?
I've noticed issues with WYBN as well. My oldest TV tuner usually has audio / video synchronization issues with them.

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rf28 pittsfield appears to be off the air. Maybe it was the storm but this is the first time I can remember it being out.
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I'm not sure that using your primary channel to simulcast your FM station is exactly legal.

I'm familiar with Brian Larson, who operates the stations. He is not known for following the rules, perhaps from a lack of understanding or not caring. He also is not an engineer but does his own work.<snip> He's not really been on the air with his two TV stations very much in the past 30 years, and when they are on-air, it's not consistent. <snip>Time shall tell if he ever gets on-air with two digital signals with actual video programing.
After being on and off for the last couple weeks, with the primary channel changing from Heartland to Daystar and then Hillsong, it seems he's figuring things out. The channel on RF36 now maps to 38-1 to 38-4, and airs 38-1 Heartland, 38-2 WNGN Radio 91.9 audio with graphic logo of station, 38-3 DayStar, and 38-4 Hillsong Channel. All of them are 480i and 16:9. Heartland is not a religious station and, as much as I hate to admit it, a watchable channel. It's funny seeing old Nashville Network "Crook & Chase" episodes from the late 80's and early 90's. The station is licensed to Troy but the transmitter is outside Schuylerville on Willard Mountain in Greenwich, Washington County.
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Is someone here working on Rabbitears? Just curious, because the WNGN listing didn't have the info on it and now it does :-)
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Is someone here working on Rabbitears? Just curious, because the WNGN listing didn't have the info on it and now it does :-)


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Okay then! :-D

If someone is working on it, WRGB-GF is in Glens Falls, not Great Falls, and since Aug 2nd has been off the air just as their other translators.
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WYBN didn't change anything that I'm aware of, but today is the first time I've ever received their signal consistently almost all day. I'm on the Queensbury / Glens Falls border ...
Since then, it's been consistently receivable for me, so not sure what he did to the transmitter a couple weeks ago, but it's fine with me! That Dan Viles seems like an interesting fellow based on his skirting questions with half answers lol. I mentioned Cozi needs to be "squished" now like NewsNet, Rev'n, and LaTV, to which he didn't acknowledge. I also asked him if he did anything with the power, and all he said was "My engineer tweaked our settings." Without a power increase, all I could fathom was the beam tilt was reduced? Someone with technical expertise maybe can chime in and tell me what you think, and/or test your signal and see if anything is noticeably different?
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If someone is working on it, WRGB-GF is in Glens Falls, not Great Falls, and since Aug 2nd has been off the air just as their other translators.
Fixed. Thanks. I can't believe I entered Great and not Glens.

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I also asked him if he did anything with the power, and all he said was "My engineer tweaked our settings." Without a power increase, all I could fathom was the beam tilt was reduced? Someone with technical expertise maybe can chime in and tell me what you think, and/or test your signal and see if anything is noticeably different?
I'm not in the area of course, but it's possible that they adjusted the exciter to increase the SNR coming out of the transmitter.

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