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I asked all the local stations that are moving due to the latest repack, as to the date they plan on moving. So far, here's all I have replies to. I will update the thread if/when I get new info:

Wnem 5 (RF22 to RF30): 6/21/19

Weyi 25 (RF30 to RF18): 6/18/19

WBSF 46 (RF46 to RF23): 6/20/19 EDIT 5/29: WBSF just sent me a Facebook PM saying they are now moving on June 20th, instead of the 18th

WAQP 49 (RF48 to RF36) (TCT Network): 5/27/19

IF any go blank, just do a new channel rescan!

Dates updated 5/21/2019

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Well as of last week WEYI isnt ready to move to their new station
https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...92d66&goBack=N

And since WNEM is moving to WEYI's current frequency...they cant move until WEYI does
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Looks like WJRT channel 12 is getting Start TV on 12.4 and Heros & Icons on 12.5.
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Looks like WJRT channel 12 is getting Start TV on 12.4 and Heros & Icons on 12.5.
When does that start, do you know? Or should I rescan now?

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Revised repack dates from tvanswers.org

Primestar31 is likely already seeing this, but I'm finding these dates today for the repack via tvanswers.org:

WNEM 5 (RF22 to RF30): 6/21/19

WEYI 25 (RF30 to RF18): 6/18/19

WBSF 46 (RF46 to RF23): 6/18/19 But I'd still take greater stock in Primestar31's mention above of the PM received from the station citing June 20th

WAQP 49 (RF48 to RF36) (TCT Network): Only now the range of April 13, 2019 - June 21, 2019. tvanswers.org definitely had this noted as 5/27/19 back in mid-May, so not sure why the apparent delay.

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I'll second the question on wondering when WJRT is configuring the additional subchannels. I've been wanting to consistently lock-in a Heros and Icons source. I'm 63 miles give or take one from both WJRT and WILX, and tvfool estimates I'd have 1 greater db of Noise Margin for WILX. But, I might be pointing through fewer tall trees when I aim my VHF aerial truer east to WJRT.

So if the opportunity arises to post back here by someone that sees the new subchannels, I'd be much obliged!

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When does that start, do you know? Or should I rescan now?

I don't know. I got the information from the Rabbitears website. https://www.rabbitears.info/market.p...ility_id=21735
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When does that start, do you know? Or should I rescan now?
both H&I and startTv websites just say "coming soon" with no date listed
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Has anybody been having any issues the last few days with Weyi 25, Waqp 49 and Wsmh 66 breaking up and pixelating in the afternoons? Are they already up to something with lowering power or something? No weather issues, but I've been having issues with those channels off and on.
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Has anybody been having any issues the last few days with Weyi 25, Waqp 49 and Wsmh 66 breaking up and pixelating in the afternoons? Are they already up to something with lowering power or something? No weather issues, but I've been having issues with those channels off and on.
WAQP 49 & WJRT 12 have been giving me issues. I thought it just might be my homemade antenna.
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WAQP 49 & WJRT 12 have been giving me issues. I thought it just might be my homemade antenna.

They are checking as lower power lately. I disconnected my 3-way splitter, and put the antenna straight to the Tivo, and it's fine that way. I have an external preamped antenna system, normally works perfectly. So, maybe they are doing something in prep for moving, or maybe it's just some temp weird weather thing.

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Lots of rescanning this week, I bet

Hi All,

I'm guessing it'll be fun doing a few rescans this week. I'm west of you, and pretty much always out of range...except when atmospheric conditions are just right. But I'm entertained by watching all the FCC filings in Michigan and this and other AVSForum threads.


* Is anyone seeing anything now on RF35? DTV America filed the License to Cover on RF35 for W42EJ-D on Friday:

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...717fb&goBack=N

It's apparently from a cell phone tower along I-75 just north of the M-57 interchange. RabbitEars.Info conveys it'd likely be Virtual Channel 24. I'm kind of curious to hear what programming is going to be on it. (In case DTV America does the same with WIEK eventually, which might reach me, unless they move their intended location yet again.)


* The posters above mentioned WAQP (Virtual 49) seeming to be on reduced power. They're likely having tower work done, related to their Special Temporary Authority (STA) filing last Monday (6/10/2019) noting that they'd like to use a temporary antenna at reduced power to start broadcasting on RF36. The explanation given is that the intended permanent antenna had manufacturing errors:

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...f24c3&goBack=N

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Hi All,

I'm guessing it'll be fun doing a few rescans this week. I'm west of you, and pretty much always out of range...except when atmospheric conditions are just right. But I'm entertained by watching all the FCC filings in Michigan and this and other AVSForum threads.


* Is anyone seeing anything now on RF35? DTV America filed the License to Cover on RF35 for W42EJ-D on Friday:

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...717fb&goBack=N

It's apparently from a cell phone tower along I-75 just north of the M-57 interchange. RabbitEars.Info conveys it'd likely be Virtual Channel 24. I'm kind of curious to hear what programming is going to be on it. (In case DTV America does the same with WIEK eventually, which might reach me, unless they move their intended location yet again.)


* The posters above mentioned WAQP (Virtual 49) seeming to be on reduced power. They're likely having tower work done, related to their Special Temporary Authority (STA) filing last Monday (6/10/2019) noting that they'd like to use a temporary antenna at reduced power to start broadcasting on RF36. The explanation given is that the intended permanent antenna had manufacturing errors:

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...f24c3&goBack=N

Have fun! Cheers ~ Statmanmi
I just re-scanned, and I'm not receiving anything new or changed as of yet. I have a very good outside antenna system, with a Kitztech KT-200-Coax preamp, two UHF yagi's (one directly pointed at WBSF, the other for the rest of the uhf channels) with a Jointenna combiner for WBSF-46 , and a high VHF yagi for WJRT-12.

I receive everything within about a 50mile radius very well. WBSF was my problem-child, because WNEM is a blowtorch, and too close to it. We will see if that changes when they change frequencies. I already have a new Jointenna tuned to drop into place for WBSF's new RF frequency.
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Here's the latest I just saw posted on a website:

WEYI-TV 25 and WBSF-TV 46 will alter their signals on Tuesday, June 18. A rescan may be necessary after 12 pm in order to continue receiving those stations' programming.

WNEM-TV 5's signal will change on Friday, June 21 after 12 pm. Another rescan may be necessary on that day.

So, not sure if they are moving today, or the stated 6/20 they told me via Facebook messenger that they'd move.

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Website says 6/20.

https://nbc25news.com/news/local/nbc...e-air-channels

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Hi All,

I'm guessing it'll be fun doing a few rescans this week. I'm west of you, and pretty much always out of range...except when atmospheric conditions are just right. But I'm entertained by watching all the FCC filings in Michigan and this and other AVSForum threads.


* Is anyone seeing anything now on RF35? DTV America filed the License to Cover on RF35 for W42EJ-D on Friday:

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...717fb&goBack=N

It's apparently from a cell phone tower along I-75 just north of the M-57 interchange. RabbitEars.Info conveys it'd likely be Virtual Channel 24. I'm kind of curious to hear what programming is going to be on it. (In case DTV America does the same with WIEK eventually, which might reach me, unless they move their intended location yet again.)


* The posters above mentioned WAQP (Virtual 49) seeming to be on reduced power. They're likely having tower work done, related to their Special Temporary Authority (STA) filing last Monday (6/10/2019) noting that they'd like to use a temporary antenna at reduced power to start broadcasting on RF36. The explanation given is that the intended permanent antenna had manufacturing errors:

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...f24c3&goBack=N

Have fun! Cheers ~ Statmanmi

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WEYI-25 has now switched frequencies successfully. WBSF-46 has now gone black 1 hour later. Hummm, WBSF switched back to the original RF46 after 1/2hr. Must be having an issue changing.

I submitted a Lineup change to Tivo for WEYI-25. I'm ready to submit them for the other moving channels 5, 46, & 49, once they actually move for sure.
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Update on WBSF change, posted on their website: As of 10am today, WEYI NBC25 has changed over-the-air channels. WBSF CW46 will follow suit, changing over-the-air signals tomorrow, June 21 at 10am.

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WNEM-5 has also changed frequency, sometime during the early morning. I submitted a Lineup change to Tivo for WNEM-5.

WBSF-46 went black at 8:30am, but is still dark at 10:37am. Seems like a problem, like yesterday.

Let me know if anybody else can scan it in. Just reply here, and I'll get an email.

Edit: WBSF just now (12:45pm) came back up on it's original RF46. Guess changing to RF23 was a bust this second time... It's really weak also.

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Bummer. I was looking forward to seeing what was on Charge! later today.

46 was hit or miss. Hopefully moving to a different tower will help the signal.
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WBSF just successfully flipped to RF23 at about 3:30pm~, and is up full power. WAQP-49 is supposed to change in an hour or so.

EDIT: 6:45pm, WAQP still up on RF48, so no change as of yet.
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WBSF just Facebook Pm'ed me that their move is complete, no more tweaking. They are now running on a tower at the WEYI complex in Clio. That allowed them to jack up their signal level. It's nice and FAT now compared to before.

Still nothing on the WAQP move. They are still on RF48 as of 10:30pm.

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WAQP seems to have gone dark sometime between 11pm last night, and 7am this morning. They don't seem to have come up on RF36, or if so, I can only detect just a hint of signal.

If that's them, they are lost to me for now.

Can anybody else re-scan and see if they can get them? Thanks!

EDIT: 12 noon:
Tivo just restored guide data for WNEM-5. So, both that and WEYI-25 got their guide data back within 24 hours of my submitting Lineup changes. WBSF-46 still isn't fixed, but since it's the weekend and they switched late afternoon yesterday, it may not get fixed this weekend.

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My Tivo Lineup Change for WBSF has now changed to "Resolution Sent", so that likely means we'll have guide data by noon~ tomorrow, if not sooner.

Still no guide data at 1:30pm anyway. I can't check again for a while, due to recordings going on.

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Looks like WBSF has been fixed as of last night.
Channel 49 is still a no show.


So far for this round of the repack I've gained channels 46 & 50 (out of Detroit).
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Looks like WBSF has been fixed as of last night.
Channel 49 is still a no show.


So far for this round of the repack I've gained channels 46 & 50 (out of Detroit).
Are you saying you now have guide data for WBSF on your TIVO? Because WBSF moved successfully as of Friday, about 3:45pm.

I still don't have guide data for my Tivo for it.

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I don't have a Tivo, just a Magnavox DVR.


WBSF wasn't coming in early on Sunday morning.
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WAQP seems to have gone dark sometime between 11pm last night, and 7am this morning. They don't seem to have come up on RF36, or if so, I can only detect just a hint of signal.

If that's them, they are lost to me for now.

Can anybody else re-scan and see if they can get them? Thanks!

EDIT: 12 noon:
Tivo just restored guide data for WNEM-5. So, both that and WEYI-25 got their guide data back within 24 hours of my submitting Lineup changes. WBSF-46 still isn't fixed, but since it's the weekend and they switched late afternoon yesterday, it may not get fixed this weekend.
Hi All (and especially Primestar31 and thebeeguy),

I'm in West Michigan, but am enjoying following your posts regarding the repack. thebeeguy has made entries in both this thread and the Detroit one, where he mentioned his community...which is in the Flint DMA. Primestar31, You'll recall that you shared your community with me last fall when we traded PMs.

My local stations repack in Phase 6, so Sept. 7 through Oct. 18, 2019. I'm curious if things will go similarly for my area.


In watching the recent FCC filings, some of your area's repacked stations aren't at their full intended strength. (Which might affect Primestar31.) What I'm understanding per those postings is that:

WNEM RF30 (VC5)--They did switch to RF30 by re-tuning their interim antenna.

But noted in April that they hope to have a new tower in place and broadcasting therefrom by 12/1/2019. (They expressed then that they've realized that building a new tower will be more economical than upgrading the current tower.)


WEYI RF18 (VC25)--Repacked to their full intended results, as no recent FCC filings allude to otherwise.


WBSF RF23 (VC46)--Perhaps not yet at their full intended strength, but broadcasting from new antenna on WEYI tower.

Friday they filed a STA (Special Temporary Authority) request indicating that they'd repack at half their intended strength (300kW, versus ultimate 600kW). Reason given that they'll initially use a 3 1/8" transmission line, until the 6 1/8" one was fully "stacked on the tower". Maybe that all did get completed by Saturday morning, per the Facebook PM Primestar31 received?


WAQP RF36 (VC49)--Interim antenna a greatly reduced power due to pattern.

Their STA and other filings this month note that final testing of the newly-manufactured antenna before shipment found an anomaly in pattern that is now requiring "sleeving the outer mast pipe", and that seeing that through has delayed delivery to the customer site. (Primestar31, This interim situation is likely why you're seeing a signal, but not strong enough for decoding.)


Thus, the repack is complete, in that the Class A and Full Power stations are broadcasting on their intended frequencies. But per the above there's still work to be done by many of them.

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Question to thebeeguy or anyone else close by Flint or even Saginaw: Has the new low power station shown up for you, on RF35, perhaps with Virtual Channel (VC) 24? I know I asked above, but figured I'd mention here in case someone's re-scans have captured it. (Primestar31, I believe you'll be out-of-range for it.)

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Hi All (and especially Primestar31 and thebeeguy),

I'm in West Michigan, but am enjoying following your posts regarding the repack. thebeeguy has made entries in both this thread and the Detroit one, where he mentioned his community...which is in the Flint DMA. Primestar31, You'll recall that you shared your community with me last fall when we traded PMs.

My local stations repack in Phase 6, so Sept. 7 through Oct. 18, 2019. I'm curious if things will go similarly for my area.


In watching the recent FCC filings, some of your area's repacked stations aren't at their full intended strength. (Which might affect Primestar31.) What I'm understanding per those postings is that:

WNEM RF30 (VC5)--They did switch to RF30 by re-tuning their interim antenna.

But noted in April that they hope to have a new tower in place and broadcasting therefrom by 12/1/2019. (They expressed then that they've realized that building a new tower will be more economical than upgrading the current tower.)


WEYI RF18 (VC25)--Repacked to their full intended results, as no recent FCC filings allude to otherwise.


WBSF RF23 (VC46)--Perhaps not yet at their full intended strength, but broadcasting from new antenna on WEYI tower.

Friday they filed a STA (Special Temporary Authority) request indicating that they'd repack at half their intended strength (300kW, versus ultimate 600kW). Reason given that they'll initially use a 3 1/8" transmission line, until the 6 1/8" one was fully "stacked on the tower". Maybe that all did get completed by Saturday morning, per the Facebook PM Primestar31 received?


WAQP RF36 (VC49)--Interim antenna a greatly reduced power due to pattern.

Their STA and other filings this month note that final testing of the newly-manufactured antenna before shipment found an anomaly in pattern that is now requiring "sleeving the outer mast pipe", and that seeing that through has delayed delivery to the customer site. (Primestar31, This interim situation is likely why you're seeing a signal, but not strong enough for decoding.)


Thus, the repack is complete, in that the Class A and Full Power stations are broadcasting on their intended frequencies. But per the above there's still work to be done by many of them.

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Question to thebeeguy or anyone else close by Flint or even Saginaw: Has the new low power station shown up for you, on RF35, perhaps with Virtual Channel (VC) 24? I know I asked above, but figured I'd mention here in case someone's re-scans have captured it. (Primestar31, I believe you'll be out-of-range for it.)

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No, I haven't seen it. I'll rescan tonight and see if it even pauses on 35 (my Samsung TV pauses when it finds a signal but can't lock on to it).
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WNEM-5 seems to be coming in at full power, but it always was a blow-torch. Or at least there's little to no difference in their SNR value from before the move, to after the move.

WEYI-25 also seems to be coming in at full power. Or at least there's little to no difference in their SNR value from before the move, to after the move.

WBSF-46 is coming in MUCH stronger than it did before, when it was actually closer to me right by WNEM-5's tower in Indian Town. About equal now to WNEM-5, which always was a blow-torch. So, IF it's true that they are still running at lower power (Trip of Rabbitears site says they are), their moving to a much lower frequency and/or further South location has made a serious difference in me receiving their signal much more solidly.

WAQP-49, only getting maybe a blip of 6% signal on RF36, and nothing under 15% would ever decode. But looking at their STA lower power radiation pattern, I'm 2 miles further than their Northern border. So it MAY be a "digital cliff" situation for me ATM.

WSMH-66 (RF16) which of course didn't move, there's no change. Same with WJRT-12 (RF12)

I have 2 high-gain UHF yagi antenna's outdoors, and they are pre-amped and installed in perfect balance. WJRT-12 has a dedicated VHF antenna pointed directly at it, and is not pre-amped. Because of WBSF-46 moving to WEYI complex, the antenna I had dedicated to them is no longer needed, and can be re-aimed to get this new tower you are talking about, which seems it will be located just South of Birch Run, and just West of WEYI/WBSF tower.

We will see if it's worth going after, once or IF they light up.

Here's a photo of my antenna system. The top one is for WJRT, and is a VHF only antenna. The one that looks like it's in the "middle" and pointed more towards us, is (WAS) pointed directly at WBSF when it was in Indian Town. The one that appears a little "lower" and aimed what appears to be nearly the same as the WJRT antenna, is actually pointed directly at WEYI, which is the perfect balance point in my tv "arc" of signals from WDCQ-19 to WSMH-66.

I have a Jointenna device that brings in the RF23 signal for WBSF by itself from that antenna, I didn't know they were going to move their tower in the repack, and this was need when they were on RF46. It's hanging out a bit from the main mast, on a Dish Network foot u-bolted to the mast. The other Jointenna input is the "all-channel" (everything except WJRT & WBSF) one going to the "lower antenna" pointed at WEYI. The output of the Jointenna, goes into an FM trap, and then into a Kitztech-KT200-Coax preamp. The output to that, goes into a UVSJ to join the UHF array to the VHF antenna, allowing the VHF antenna to bypass being preamped.

The black painted pole you see in the foreground, is the beginning of me installing a new 7.5ft C-band dish last August. YES, there is still plenty of free stuff to watch on C-band. If interested, head over to the FTA forum on Satelliteguys.us
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Hi All (and especially Primestar31 and thebeeguy),

I'm in West Michigan, but am enjoying following your posts regarding the repack. thebeeguy has made entries in both this thread and the Detroit one, where he mentioned his community...which is in the Flint DMA. Primestar31, You'll recall that you shared your community with me last fall when we traded PMs.

My local stations repack in Phase 6, so Sept. 7 through Oct. 18, 2019. I'm curious if things will go similarly for my area.


In watching the recent FCC filings, some of your area's repacked stations aren't at their full intended strength. (Which might affect Primestar31.) What I'm understanding per those postings is that:

WNEM RF30 (VC5)--They did switch to RF30 by re-tuning their interim antenna.

But noted in April that they hope to have a new tower in place and broadcasting therefrom by 12/1/2019. (They expressed then that they've realized that building a new tower will be more economical than upgrading the current tower.)


WEYI RF18 (VC25)--Repacked to their full intended results, as no recent FCC filings allude to otherwise.


WBSF RF23 (VC46)--Perhaps not yet at their full intended strength, but broadcasting from new antenna on WEYI tower.

Friday they filed a STA (Special Temporary Authority) request indicating that they'd repack at half their intended strength (300kW, versus ultimate 600kW). Reason given that they'll initially use a 3 1/8" transmission line, until the 6 1/8" one was fully "stacked on the tower". Maybe that all did get completed by Saturday morning, per the Facebook PM Primestar31 received?


WAQP RF36 (VC49)--Interim antenna a greatly reduced power due to pattern.

Their STA and other filings this month note that final testing of the newly-manufactured antenna before shipment found an anomaly in pattern that is now requiring "sleeving the outer mast pipe", and that seeing that through has delayed delivery to the customer site. (Primestar31, This interim situation is likely why you're seeing a signal, but not strong enough for decoding.)


Thus, the repack is complete, in that the Class A and Full Power stations are broadcasting on their intended frequencies. But per the above there's still work to be done by many of them.

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Question to thebeeguy or anyone else close by Flint or even Saginaw: Has the new low power station shown up for you, on RF35, perhaps with Virtual Channel (VC) 24? I know I asked above, but figured I'd mention here in case someone's re-scans have captured it. (Primestar31, I believe you'll be out-of-range for it.)

Cheers! ~ Statmanmi
Did the rescan last night and it went right by channel 35. So it doesn't looks like anything is there as of yet.


Channel 49 is now very weak for me. Maybe it was just the weather last night, but I'm not counting on it.
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both H&I and startTv websites just say "coming soon" with no date listed
Recieved an email from WJRT this morning that says...

"We are still working on the technology to get these channels up and running, hoping July but not sure just yet"
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