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WBSF-46 guide data now fixed for Tivo. Maybe even WAQP-49, but since that's dark for me ATM, I don't know.
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Did the rescan last night and it went right by channel 35. So it doesn't looks like anything is there as of yet.


Channel 49 is now very weak for me. Maybe it was just the weather last night, but I'm not counting on it.
thebeeguy, are you saying that you can actually pick up and watch WAQP-49 right NOW? If so, they must be up, albeit at too low a power level for me to pick up now.

EDIT: I just received this as a Facebook PM reply to WAQP-49:

We apologize for your loss of signal and our late response to your complaint. For the next several weeks, TCT will be making changes to the antennas, which may cause a loss of signal. However, the good news is that these changes will improve the quality and reach with the Gospel. Please be patient, and thanks for being so loyal to TCT. Have a blessed day!

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Tivo officially closed the Lineup Change today for guide data for WBSF-46, which got the guide data back yesterday.

WAQP-49's Lineup Change is still open as "Researching". But since I still can't even receive WAQP due to their defective antenna issue, I don't know if Tivo has fixed their guide data so it's ready when it comes back for me to receive.
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Ch. 49 is showing up on both my OTA setups at the moment. Can't say I've ever tuned in before but it's there.
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Ch. 49 is showing up on both my OTA setups at the moment. Can't say I've ever tuned in before but it's there.
Cool! Thanks for letting me know it's actually live still, even if I can't get it right now. Mostly 49.3 "Light TV" has the good stuff on it.

EDIT: I just received this email from Tivo tech support: • Frequencies for WAQP 49.1-49.3 have been updated to 36.

So, their Tivo guide data is fixed. Hopefully they'll get their antenna fixed soon.

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thebeeguy, are you saying that you can actually pick up and watch WAQP-49 right NOW? If so, they must be up, albeit at too low a power level for me to pick up now.

EDIT: I just received this as a Facebook PM reply to WAQP-49:

We apologize for your loss of signal and our late response to your complaint. For the next several weeks, TCT will be making changes to the antennas, which may cause a loss of signal. However, the good news is that these changes will improve the quality and reach with the Gospel. Please be patient, and thanks for being so loyal to TCT. Have a blessed day!

I am not receiving WAQP now. Maybe I will once they get their antenna fixed.
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Saturday night 6/29 at just past 9pm, we received a few minutes of WAQP-49 on RF36 for a couple minutes. It barely decoded, but is clearly up and broadcasting, albeit at a much lower power level. We are presently about 2 miles North of the digital cliff area for whatever power they are running at.
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Two weeks yesterday 7/5, and WAQP is still dark/running at low power. Not sure how long it takes to get an antenna fixed, or new one to arrive, but seems like they should have been back and running at full power by now.
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Same here. I did pick it up the other day but only for a few minutes.
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WAQP-49 is coming in tonight on RF36. Still weak, but I'm now getting it solid. Hopefully it's due to their antenna tweaking, and not just a e-skip thing. Signal line is running about 49%, when before it would just BLIP no higher than 16% or so. Quality is 100%.

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I've since lost WAQP-49. The signal level dropped back down to no more than 25% max, and it's not quite enough to lock anymore.
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With WEYI 25 and WBSF 46 now being on the same tower, do we still need WBSF to simulcast WEYI? Seems pretty pointless to me with them both servicing the same area now.
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With WEYI 25 and WBSF 46 now being on the same tower, do we still need WBSF to simulcast WEYI? Seems pretty pointless to me with them both servicing the same area now.

I agree, and perhaps that will now change once WBSF cranks up to full power. They have a STA filed with the FCC, and they are not presently running at full repack power due to having to use the wrong transmission line to the new antenna.

Once that's replaced and power cranked up, I fully expect that simulcast will end, and we will get some more sub-channels. Though I have NOT heard that happening for sure...
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I agree, and perhaps that will now change once WBSF cranks up to full power. They have a STA filed with the FCC, and they are not presently running at full repack power due to having to use the wrong transmission line to the new antenna.

Once that's replaced and power cranked up, I fully expect that simulcast will end, and we will get some more sub-channels. Though I have NOT heard that happening for sure...

I sent them an email the other day and requested Movies!, Decades and GetTV. Also asked them to remove TBD.
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Yeah, TBD is a totally worthless channel IMO. NO redeeming value whatsoever. But as Trip says, they are owned by Sinclair, which owns THREE of our local stations. They own one outright (WSMH), and own/control the other two through shell companies (WEYI & WBSF).

We already had GRIT and Get Tv, and they removed those a few years back and put on TBD, Stadium & Charge!
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WAQP-49 was coming in strong last night after the storm. But WJBK 2 & WKBD 50 were too. I can never get WJBK it must of been unusual conditions.
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Update on WAQP:

It won't be back up to full power until AFTER the revised antenna is installed.

WAQP-TV, SAGINAW, MICHIGAN
REQUEST FOR EXTENSION OF TIME TO COMPLETE TRANSITION

WAQP-TV, Saginaw, Michigan is a Phase 3 station scheduled to transition on June 21,
2019. TCT was recently notified that its antenna will not be available until August 1, 2019, at the
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Bill Harland
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EMAIL: [email protected]
TEL: +1 (812) 925-6000 x. 214
Corporate:
7777 Gardner Road
Chandler, Indiana 47610-9219
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TEL: +1 (812) 925-6000
FAX: +1 (812) 925-4030
June 17, 2019
Mr. Mike Daly
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Mr. Bruce Hart
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[email protected]
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Marion, IL 62959
REF: WAQP (DT), FCC Facility ID 67792 ERI Sales Order 36728
Dear Mr. Daly and Mr. Hart:
Electronics Research, Inc. (“ERI”) has been diligently working to fulfill the equipment
and services included on ERI Sales Order Number 36728, placed on your behalf by
DTVPros.
The cardioid azimuth pattern specified by WAQP’s FCC Construction Permit,
requires a large mast pipe (“outer conductor”) in order to achieve the customer
requested pattern without external pattern shapers (grids). The larger outer conductor
was chosen to avoid external pattern shapers outside of the radome which would
create icing and wind load problems. However, the larger outer also resulted in an
unwanted mode at the channel frequency (RF Channel 25) which wasn’t predicted by
design software or the original physical model testing. This mode issue was
discovered after the antenna was assembled for tuning.
Additional testing has indicated that sleeving the mast pipe (“outer conductor”) to
decrease the inside diameter and eliminate the mode conditions. The parts required
are currently being made for the inner sleeve and we anticipate returning to final
assembly within one week to 10 days. Without any further issues we should have a
finished and tested antenna by approximately August 1st,2019.
The Key activity dates for your order are:
Order Received 10/15/2018
Contract Review and Order Release to Engineering 10/31/2018
Model Results Released to Design 1/10/2019
Design Release Components 1/25/2019
Design Release Weldments 2/7/2019
Assembly Start 5/2/2019
Tuning / Test Start (est.) 5/10/2019
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Hi Primestar31, thebeeguy, and All:

My checking the fcc.today site from REC this afternoon had two things catch my eye for your area:

* The FCC approved the License to Cover today for that low power RF 35 station W35DQ-D owned by DTV America. So perhaps it'll start soon broadcasting at least a test pattern.

* Regarding WAQP, no License to Cover for their permanent antenna has been submitted, but their Transition Plan Progress Report filed today (but cited as being for the Second Quarter) included this explanation:

"WAQP received its delayed full power antenna this week. That antenna was successfully installed yesterday (07-25-19) and the station's permanent full service transmission system is now complete and operational."

Maybe one or both of these signals will better reach you?

~~~~~~~~~~~~

For that matter, with the troposopheric ducting predicted for Sunday, these broadcasts might reach west to me. I've had WJRT RF 12 come in several times this month--granted it's VHF, which seems to play nicer for my set-up. But I think I also saw WNEM RF 30 one early morning as well--I should take notes for my own historical reference. (I definitely had what I've termed "my VHF-high full house" the other morning, with 7 watchable signals reaching me on RF 7 through RF 13...from 4 DMAs in Michigan.)

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Trip (Rabbitears owner https://rabbitears.info/ ) mentioned that to me a few hours ago in a post over at Satelliteguys.us, so I pm'ed WAQP on Facebook as there's no way their signal has been cranked up as of yet. The lawyers messed up the WAQP filing reply to the FCC, it was a different TCT station that got fixed and cranked to full power yesterday.

WAQP-49 has NOT received it's RF36 repaired/new antenna, and is NOT yet running full power. Here's the PM answer I got:

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W35DQ-D tower is already built, here it is on Google maps, just outside of Clio, MI:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/43...!4d-83.7707222

It's 47 miles from my house. At only 15kw and such a low height, I don't think I'll be able to receive it. But, we will see. There's steps I can take to maybe get it, but of course it would have to be programming that I want to receive.

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Can someone explain in layman's terms what's going on with these channel changes?

My in laws have a basic indoor antenna fitted and were previously able to pick up all of the stations, even NBC.

Their zip is 48642

Recently though the signal has been so bad that they have completely lost channels they received before and only get half what they used too.

I had a look at it today and I can't see any immediate issue with their TVs but one small TV was at least picking up NBC but breaking up often.

I said to my step dad that I think he may need a roof antenna but now reading these comments I'm wondering if this is down to transmitters?

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Can someone explain in layman's terms what's going on with these channel changes?

My in laws have a basic indoor antenna fitted and were previously able to pick up all of the stations, even NBC.

Their zip is 48642

Recently though the signal has been so bad that they have completely lost channels they received before and only get half what they used too.

I had a look at it today and I can't see any immediate issue with their TVs but one small TV was at least picking up NBC but breaking up often.

I said to my step dad that I think he may need a roof antenna but now reading these comments I'm wondering if this is down to transmitters?
Short story: The government got greedy and sold all the tv spectrum above channel 36, to the cell phone companies for millions, maybe billions of dollars.

Because of that, many tv stations across the USA have to move frequencies. Just because a channel comes up as say "channel 5" or whatever, NO LONGER means it's actually broadcasting on RF5 VHF. In fact, WNEM-5 is actually now broadcasting on RF30, which is UHF.

Since some of them moved frequencies, it is NOT as easy as the station just cranking a dial to a new frequency. They have to install new transmitters, change antennas, sometimes build entirely NEW towers, or even physically move sites, such as WBSF-46, which moved from Indiantown (next to WNEM-5, just slightly East of Zilwaukee bridge) to the same tower as WEYI-25 (NBC) in Clio. However, WBSF-46 cranked their power WAY up, and now comes in even better.

Your family may have to buy a better antenna, or simply move it to another window. Then they need to re-scan for channels.

They should be successful in getting all channels they used to get, with the exception right now of WAQP-49 TCT/Light Tv. They won't have their fixed antenna installed until supposedly August to allow them to crank power back to normal, so are running at such low power right now, they aren't easily receivable.

Does that help answer your questions? I'm located fairly close to Midland, and I have an outdoor antenna system that gets all the channels solidly. I spent some money getting it that way, but once spent, there's no longer any costs, unlike cable tv.

I HIGHLY recommend an outside antenna system, even using some 10' pieces of chainlink fence "Top Rail" (two make 20'). Point the antenna midway between EAST and SOUTH, and they should be good. Though you might have to play with it a bit. The direct pointing at the tower isn't always best, for various reasons relating to terrain, trees nearby, etc.

IF you need further help with them receiving stations, we will need the EXACT call letters of the station. Such as "we can't receive WEYI" and such like that.

P.S. I do NOT recommend those "mud flap" antennas, such as the type you stick to a window. First of all, they are really only good for UHF stations. As I said however, WJRT-12 is still broadcasting on high-VHF, and may not be receivable on a mud flap/patch type antenna. So, any antenna you install needs to be able to receive both UHF and high-VHF frequencies. This is a suggestion of what may work better and is available at Midland's Home Depot, but I do NOT have first-hand experience with this antenna. However, it should be MUCH better than any mud flap type antenna: https://www.homedepot.com/p/RCA-Atti...705E/303087505

P.P.S: Here's another antenna that looks like it would work well. I have some Stellar Labs antennas, (not this one though) and they are excellent! This would have to be ordered though, but would likely work better than the one above that's at Home Depot: https://www.newark.com/stellar-labs/...agi/dp/88W2140
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Short story: The government got greedy and sold all the tv spectrum above channel 36, to the cell phone companies for millions, maybe billions of dollars.

Because of that, many tv stations across the USA have to move frequencies. Just because a channel comes up as say "channel 5" or whatever, NO LONGER means it's actually broadcasting on RF5 VHF. In fact, WNEM-5 is actually now broadcasting on RF30, which is UHF.

Since some of them moved frequencies, it is NOT as easy as the station just cranking a dial to a new frequency. They have to install new transmitters, change antennas, sometimes build entirely NEW towers, or even physically move sites, such as WBSF-46, which moved from Indiantown (next to WNEM-5, just slightly East of Zilwaukee bridge) to the same tower as WEYI-25 (NBC) in Clio. However, WBSF-46 cranked their power WAY up, and now comes in even better.

Your family may have to buy a better antenna, or simply move it to another window. Then they need to re-scan for channels.

They should be successful in getting all channels they used to get, with the exception right now of WAQP-49 TCT/Light Tv. They won't have their fixed antenna installed until supposedly August to allow them to crank power back to normal, so are running at such low power right now, they aren't easily receivable.

Does that help answer your questions? I'm located fairly close to Midland, and I have an outdoor antenna system that gets all the channels solidly. I spent some money getting it that way, but once spent, there's no longer any costs, unlike cable tv.

I HIGHLY recommend an outside antenna system, even using some 10' pieces of chainlink fence "Top Rail" (two make 20'). Point the antenna midway between EAST and SOUTH, and they should be good. Though you might have to play with it a bit. The direct pointing at the tower isn't always best, for various reasons relating to terrain, trees nearby, etc.
Thanks so much, makes a lot of sense now. I did see looking up signal guides online that the NBC set of channels is now broadcast from two places from different 'stations'. What throws me off is the names they have for all the different stations and which ones carry the major national networks.

They aren't big watchers of local TV and care more about the usual suspects.

Before they were getting NBC on 25 but now they don't anymore. But they also don't get it on 46 either, despite getting 5 okay.

As the house is East facing with no side windows the antenna is on a window pointing East yet as I understand if they are getting 5 okay they should also be getting 46? It's not a great antenna just one of the flat window type ones.

They also have two sets of splitters but testing a direct connection to the nearest TV and the channels still aren't receivable.

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Thanks so much, makes a lot of sense now. I did see looking up signal guides online that the NBC set of channels is now broadcast from two places from different 'stations'. What throws me off is the names they have for all the different stations and which ones carry the major national networks.

They aren't big watchers of local TV and care more about the usual suspects.

Before they were getting NBC on 25 but now they don't anymore. But they also don't get it on 46 either, despite getting 5 okay.

As the house is East facing with no side windows the antenna is on a window pointing East yet as I understand if they are getting 5 okay they should also be getting 46? It's not a great antenna just one of the flat window type ones.

They also have two sets of splitters but testing a direct connection to the nearest TV and the channels still aren't receivable.
As I said, WBSF-46 is now located at the same tower as WEYI-25 (they are sister stations), which is located just North-East of CLIO. It no longer is broadcasting from their old tower at the same site as WNEM-5. Please re-read my previous post, as I added to it when you must have been quoting it.

So no, it's more SOUTH-EAST of Larkin Twp, than just East. If they point their antenna in the general direction of FRANKENMUTH, that would help.

WNEM-5 is now broadcasting on RF30
WEYI-25 is now broadcasting on RF18
WBSF-46 is now broadcasting on RF23
WAQP-49 is now broadcasting on RF36, but is presently at VERY low power levels, and will not likely be received by your family until they get things fixed.

All those stations are UHF, but all of them changed frequencies. Because of that and the way various antennas work, they might not be as easily receivable with the antenna your family are using before these changes. Especially since you said they are also using splitters.

Simply stated, they should spend a little money to get a better antenna. Not necessarily a fancy new antenna that makes all sorts of wild claims, and is expensive. Old-school antennas still work just perfectly, regardless of what the antenna scammers would have you believe. So, if there's still and old antenna at their house, a new 300 ohm to 75 ohm balun (buy at Lowes or Home Depot) to convert to RG-6 coax, and some new Rg-6 coax, will work just fine
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Thanks so much, makes a lot of sense now. I did see looking up signal guides online that the NBC set of channels is now broadcast from two places from different 'stations'. What throws me off is the names they have for all the different stations and which ones carry the major national networks.

They aren't big watchers of local TV and care more about the usual suspects.

Before they were getting NBC on 25 but now they don't anymore. But they also don't get it on 46 either, despite getting 5 okay.

As the house is East facing with no side windows the antenna is on a window pointing East yet as I understand if they are getting 5 okay they should also be getting 46? It's not a great antenna just one of the flat window type ones.

They also have two sets of splitters but testing a direct connection to the nearest TV and the channels still aren't receivable.
As I said, WBSF-46 is now located at the same tower as WEYI-25 (they are sister stations), which is located just North-East of CLIO. It no longer is broadcasting from their old tower at the same site as WNEM-5. Please re-read my previous post, as I added to it when you must have been quoting it.

So no, it's more SOUTH-EAST of Larkin Twp, than just East. If they point their antenna in the general direction of FRANKENMUTH, that would help.

WNEM-5 is now broadcasting on RF30
WEYI-25 is now broadcasting on RF18
WBSF-46 is now broadcasting on RF23
WAQP-49 is now broadcasting on RF36, but is presently at VERY low power levels, and will not likely be received by your family until they get things fixed.

All those stations are UHF, but all of them changed frequencies. Because of that and the way various antennas work, they might not be as easily receivable with the antenna your family are using before these changes. Especially since you said they are also using splitters.

Simply stated, they should spend a little money to get a better antenna. Not necessarily a fancy new antenna that makes all sorts of wild claims, and is expensive. Old-school antennas still work just perfectly, regardless of what the antenna scammers would have you believe. So, if there's still and old antenna at their house, a new 300 ohm to 75 ohm balun (buy at Lowes or Home Depot) to convert to RG-6 coax, and some new Rg-6 coax, will work just fine
Thanks again for the great advice, I will rely it too them. I thought the old school directional antennas would be best and you linked a couple of great options. Now I have to figure out whether he wants to hire someone to fit one or do it himself!
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WAQP - 49 for me is coming in as strong as it was before the repack.
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WAQP - 49 for me is coming in as strong as it was before the repack.
Not for me. In fact right now, I'm getting only about 5% signal, and that's nowhere enough to lock.
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As of this morning, Friday 8/9/2019, WAQP appears to be back and running at full power! I'm getting a 75%~ strength, and 100% quality, which is how I normally have all my stations approximately balanced with my two-antenna (1 uhf & 1 vhf) outside OTA antenna system. I hope they are a complete and done deal, but they haven't officially announced it as of yet.
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As of this morning, Friday 8/9/2019, WAQP appears to be back and running at full power! I'm getting a 75%~ strength, and 100% quality, which is how I normally have all my stations approximately balanced with my two-antenna (1 uhf & 1 vhf) outside OTA antenna system. I hope they are a complete and done deal, but they haven't officially announced it as of yet.
Do you use a generic combiner/splitter or a designated separate VHF & UHF combiner?
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