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Do you use a generic combiner/splitter or a designated separate VHF & UHF combiner?
I use a Radio Shack UVSJ (UHF VHF Splitter-Joiner). The uhf antenna (HDB91x) side goes into a Kitztech KT-200-COAX preamp, and then into the power-passing UHF side of the UVSJ. Then the Y10-7-13 VHF antenna goes into an FM trap, then into the VHF side of the UVSJ, bypassing the Kitztech preamp, as VHF rarely needs to be amped.

When the RG-6 coax downlead gets to my entertainment center, it goes into the power brick for the Kitztech preamp, and then into a 3-way splitter for tv set, Tivo, and tv set in another room.
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As of this morning, Friday 8/9/2019, WAQP appears to be back and running at full power! I'm getting a 75%~ strength, and 100% quality, which is how I normally have all my stations approximately balanced with my two-antenna (1 uhf & 1 vhf) outside OTA antenna system. I hope they are a complete and done deal, but they haven't officially announced it as of yet.
I checked the signal last night and it is now stronger than it was before the repack. It maxed out the signal bar and is just as strong as WSMH & WEYI.
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WJRT 12 Flint/Bay City/Saginaw

Now has 5 channels.

12.1 ABC
12.2 MeTV
12.3 WeatherNation
12.4 Start TV
12.5 Heroes & Icons

I've submitted a lineup change to Tivo, so we'd get proper guide data.

Also, two new low power stations have lit up, and I can receive them at my location:

25.1 (17) WFFC-LD Azteca America?
25.2 (17) WFFC-LD Infomercials?
25.3 (17) WFFC-LD Informercials?
(They come in on the same virtual channels (25) as the WEYI group for some reason!)

38.1 (19) WFKB-LD Azteca America?
38.2 (19) WFKB-LD Infomercials?
38.3 (19) WFKB-LD Infomercials?
38.4 (19) WFKB-LD (blank ATM)

I can't find much on those channels as of yet, so feel free to chip in any info you come across for them.

Also, WEYI-TV 25.4 Is said to lite up a channel called "DABL" sometime in the very near future, maybe September 9th when the network actually goes live across the country.

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Ever since the repack, WNEM has been sporadic in signal strength for me. I read somewhere they were using temporary equipment until the new equipment is ready (I read before December).

Am I correct on this?
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Ever since the repack, WNEM has been sporadic in signal strength for me. I read somewhere they were using temporary equipment until the new equipment is ready (I read before December).

Am I correct on this?
You are correct. They are running from an interim antenna for RF-30, until their permanent one can be erected. However, they still seem to be running at fairly high power, and I'm not having any issues receiving them.

They were at 1,000 Kw power, and are presently at 833.8 Kw power. So down a bit, that could cause issues for people on the fringes.

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...6b9fa0cc4e3fe3

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I’m about 32 miles almost directly east of Indian Town. I’m using an RCA ANT751Z with a Winegard LNA-200. The signal just isn’t solid for me on WNEM. Goes from 70-80% and sometimes to the 60s. Weather seems to affect it quite a bit as well.

I’m about 52 miles from WSMH, WJRT, and WAQP. My signal strengths on a normal day on my HDHomeRun for these are ~72%, 80%, and 60% respectively. WEYI, WBSF, WDCQ are usually 95-100%.
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I’m about 32 miles almost directly east of Indian Town. I’m using an RCA ANT751Z with a Winegard LNA-200. The signal just isn’t solid for me on WNEM. Goes from 70-80% and sometimes to the 60s. Weather seems to affect it quite a bit as well.

I’m about 52 miles from WSMH, WJRT, and WAQP. My signal strengths on a normal day on my HDHomeRun for these are ~72%, 80%, and 60% respectively. WEYI, WBSF, WDCQ are usually 95-100%.
So, you are in Deford~ area? Only noticing them dropping down to the 60% range wouldn't bother me, unless you are also having dropouts? Perhaps it would help to slightly re-position that antenna, or even raise (or maybe even lower!) it a bit?

Wnem is now running on RF30, which is a higher frequency than before, which makes a difference in propagation. Also, their interim antenna is likely located LOWER on their tower than the previous one. That could affect things depending on your elevation.

Oddly, I'm ALSO almost exactly 32 miles from them, just West and North of Midland. My antenna is up 30ft, and is a high gain yagi UHF antenna, and preamped with a Kitztech KT-200-Coax
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Cass City actually. I get some pixelation on WNEM every now and then. Once the new equipment is up and going I’m sure everything will be good and I’ll have 90-100% strength.

From my location I can’t complain much, especially being over 50 miles away from the Chesaning stations.

Curious to see what ATSC 3.0 will bring to our Sinclair stations next year

https://www.tvtechnology.com/atsc3/atsc-3-0-to-be-deployed-in-40-u-s-markets-by-end-of-year
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Cass City actually. I get some pixelation on WNEM every now and then. Once the new equipment is up and going I’m sure everything will be good and I’ll have 90-100% strength.

From my location I can’t complain much, especially being over 50 miles away from the Chesaning stations.

Curious to see what ATSC 3.0 will bring to our Sinclair stations next year

https://www.tvtechnology.com/atsc3/a...by-end-of-year
What station is your antenna aimed at? Is it aimed "in-between", or directly at WNEM?

For instance, my UHF yagi antenna (HDB91x) is aimed right at WEYI/WBSF tower which is just slightly North-East of Clio, and I get all the stations nearly perfectly at high quality as that's more or less the "center" of my station tower arc. However, I have a separate VHF antenna (AntennaCraft Y10-7-13) pointed directly at WJRT-12 (which is on RF12). That antenna is not pre-amped, but is combined with the uhf antenna through a UVSJ combiner.

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I aim between Chesaning and Indiantown. Being you’re by Midland it probably helps since they probably optimize the signal for that area more than they do the Thumb, at least according to TV Fool.
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I aim between Chesaning and Indiantown. Being you’re by Midland it probably helps since they probably optimize the signal for that area more than they do the Thumb, at least according to TV Fool.
Well, you can consider slightly twisting it more towards WNEM for now, if you can't easily raise it a bit higher. Otherwise just ride it out, and hope they get their new antenna installed sooner than later.

WAQP had all sorts of issues with their new antenna, but it's finally fixed and installed and cranked to full power.
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WJRT 12 Flint/Bay City/Saginaw

Now has 5 channels.

12.1 ABC
12.2 MeTV
12.3 WeatherNation
12.4 Start TV
12.5 Heroes & Icons

I've submitted a lineup change to Tivo, so we'd get proper guide data.

Also, two new low power stations have lit up, and I can receive them at my location:

25.1 (17) WFFC-LD Azteca America?
25.2 (17) WFFC-LD Infomercials?
25.3 (17) WFFC-LD Informercials?
(They come in on the same virtual channels (25) as the WEYI group for some reason!)

38.1 (19) WFKB-LD Azteca America?
38.2 (19) WFKB-LD Infomercials?
38.3 (19) WFKB-LD Infomercials?
38.4 (19) WFKB-LD (blank ATM)

I can't find much on those channels as of yet, so feel free to chip in any info you come across for them.

Also, WEYI-TV 25.4 Is said to lite up a channel called "DABL" sometime in the very near future, maybe September 9th when the network actually goes live across the country.

I live in south central Michigan between Jackson and Lansing. Recently I've started getting 25.1 (17) WFFC-LD but I've been WEYI-TV 25 off and on for years. I had no idea two stations in the same area could occupy the same location. Does any on know what the digital channel is for WEYI is? I'm assuming WFFC must be 25.1


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I live in south central Michigan between Jackson and Lansing. Recently I've started getting 25.1 (17) WFFC-LD but I've been WEYI-TV 25 off and on for years. I had no idea two stations in the same area could occupy the same location. Does any on know what the digital channel is for WEYI is? I'm assuming WFFC must be 25.1

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Ok, what is confusing you is that there are VIRTUAL channel numbers (what you SEE, such as the "25.1"), and then there's the REAL RF "channel" that they broadcast on. So, even though you "see" channel 25 for instance, WFFC is really on RF 17. WEYI-25 is on RF 18.

Also, there are different "rules" for low power stations such as WFFC versus FULL power stations such as WEYI. So, just why that allows WFFC to also use virtual channel 25, I'm not sure. But there's enough open virtual channels they certainly COULD use a different one, so as to not confuse people.

Confused yet? Here's the short version:

WFFC is displayed on 25.1 through 25.3
WEYI is ALSO displayed on 25.1 through 25.4

Depending on your tv set or device, they'll scan in as the same virtual channels. So, it'll seem like there's two sets. However that said, some devices are incapable of showing two different channels on the same virtual channel. Hopefully, yours isn't one of those. My LG tv set scans them in as duplicates, but shows the "WEYI" or "WFFC" along with the 25.x channel.

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I live in south central Michigan between Jackson and Lansing. Recently I've started getting 25.1 (17) WFFC-LD but I've been WEYI-TV 25 off and on for years. I had no idea two stations in the same area could occupy the same location. Does any on know what the digital channel is for WEYI is? I'm assuming WFFC must be 25.1


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It’s really crazy how you can pick up a low powered station over 60 miles away
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Ok, what is confusing you is that there are VIRTUAL channel numbers (what you SEE, such as the "25.1"), and then there's the REAL RF "channel" that they broadcast on. So, even though you "see" channel 25 for instance, WFFC is really on RF 17. WEYI-25 is on RF 18.

Also, there are different "rules" for low power stations such as WFFC versus FULL power stations such as WEYI. So, just why that allows WFFC to also use virtual channel 25, I'm not sure. But there's enough open virtual channels they certainly COULD use a different one, so as to not confuse people.

Confused yet? Here's the short version:

WFFC is displayed on 25.1 through 25.3
WEYI is ALSO displayed on 25.1 through 25.4

Depending on your tv set or device, they'll scan in as the same virtual channels. So, it'll seem like there's two sets. However that said, some devices are incapable of showing two different channels on the same virtual channel. Hopefully, yours isn't one of those. My LG tv set scans them in as duplicates, but shows the "WEYI" or "WFFC" along with the 25.x channel.


Are you able to pick up WFKB-LD as well?
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Are you able to pick up WFKB-LD as well?
Yes, comes in well as 38.x channels
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Yes, comes in well as 38.x channels


That’s what I was referring to, the 38.x channels. I can pick them up with tropo bending, but I’m 40 miles from the tower. Low power channels are really hard to pick up over 30 miles away.
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That’s what I was referring to, the 38.x channels. I can pick them up with tropo bending, but I’m 40 miles from the tower. Low power channels are really hard to pick up over 30 miles away.
I'm 32~ miles from the tower, IF it's really in Saginaw off Treanor St (where WKNX channel 57 used to be!)
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I'm 32~ miles from the tower, IF it's really in Saginaw off Treanor St (where channel 57 used to be!)


What’s your signals from that distance?

Also since it’s licensed to Midland the power might be higher that way.
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What’s your signals from that distance?

Also since it’s licensed to Midland the power might be higher that way.
On my 2013 LG 3D tv, it comes in as: 72% strength and 100% quality.

Though, I am using a HDB91x UHF antenna mounted outside on a 30' pole, and with a Kitztech KT-200-COAX model pre-amp. it's then split 3-ways, two tv sets, and my Tivo Roamio.
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On my 2013 LG 3D tv, it comes in as: 72% strength and 100% quality.

Though, I am using a HDB91x UHF antenna mounted outside on a 30' pole, and with a Kitztech KT-200-COAX model pre-amp. it's then split 3-ways, two tv sets, and my Tivo Roamio.


Yeah I figured it was about that. That’s why WNEM is lower for me, hardly any power towards this way.
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Ok, what is confusing you is that there are VIRTUAL channel numbers (what you SEE, such as the "25.1"), and then there's the REAL RF "channel" that they broadcast on. So, even though you "see" channel 25 for instance, WFFC is really on RF 17. WEYI-25 is on RF 18.

Also, there are different "rules" for low power stations such as WFFC versus FULL power stations such as WEYI. So, just why that allows WFFC to also use virtual channel 25, I'm not sure. But there's enough open virtual channels they certainly COULD use a different one, so as to not confuse people.

Confused yet? Here's the short version:

WFFC is displayed on 25.1 through 25.3
WEYI is ALSO displayed on 25.1 through 25.4

Depending on your tv set or device, they'll scan in as the same virtual channels. So, it'll seem like there's two sets. However that said, some devices are incapable of showing two different channels on the same virtual channel. Hopefully, yours isn't one of those. My LG tv set scans them in as duplicates, but shows the "WEYI" or "WFFC" along with the 25.x channel.

Thanks. I did not know WEFI current RF number was 18.
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It’s really crazy how you can pick up a low powered station over 60 miles away

I don't know where their transmitter is but I'm a little over 80 miles south of Midland.
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I don't know where their transmitter is but I'm a little over 80 miles south of Midland.
Here's a link to their location, which is on the border of Saginaw and Bridgeport. As you can see, it's nowhere near Midland. It's in the original building that housed Channel-57 up until 1965. Then that channel changed to 25, and became WEYI and moved to a different building in Saginaw.

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Two signals on virtual channels 25.x

Hi All,

I'm wondering what frequent forum poster Trip thinks could come about with both WEYI and the just-coming-on-air WFFC both citing 25.x as their virtual channel numbers?

He recently posted this summary of how in such situations the Low Power broadcaster (WFFC in this case) would be expected to yield to the other in-market station (WEYI): https://www.avsforum.com/forum/25-hd...l#post58238690


As best as I can tell, the owners of WFFC haven't yet filed with the FCC their License to Cover, as their latest LMS document was a request to extend silent authority.


Their intended (and perhaps occassionally used) analog assignment was channel 25, so to that extent the default virtual numbering would be 25.x as best as I understand.


As a sidebar, I know Trip or others have posted about how Low Powered TV stations can reference cities other than what their signal reaches. Full power stations must provide coverage to their City of License, but not the LPs. The example that comes up occassionally in Indiana is how WUDZ-LD cites Terre Haute, IN--but is on a tower in metro Indianapolis that in no way covers far enough west for Terre Haute: https://www.rabbitears.info/tvq.php?...=184277&arch=Y


That's my two cents, which solves nothing. Cheers! ~~ Statmanmi

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Hi All,

I'm wondering what frequent forum poster Trip thinks could come about with both WEYI and the just-coming-on-air WFFC both citing 25.x as their virtual channel numbers?

He recently posted this summary of how in such situations the Low Power broadcaster (WFFC in this case) would be expected to yield to the other in-market station (WEYI): https://www.avsforum.com/forum/25-hd...l#post58238690


As best as I can tell, the owners of WFFC haven't yet filed with the FCC their License to Cover, as their latest LMS document was a request to extend silent authority.


Their intended (and perhaps occassionally used) analog assignment was channel 25, so to that extent the default virtual numbering would be 25.x as best as I understand.


As a sidebar, I know Trip or others have posted about how Low Powered TV stations can reference cities other than what their signal reaches. Full power stations must provide coverage to their City of License, but not the LPs. The example that comes up occassionally in Indiana is how WUDZ-LD cites Terre Haute, IN--but is on a tower in metro Indianapolis that in no way covers far enough west for Terre Haute: https://www.rabbitears.info/tvq.php?...=184277&arch=Y


That's my two cents, which solves nothing. Cheers! ~~ Statmanmi
Here's Trip's website info (he runs Rabbitears) for this channel. As you see, there's not much listed as of yet: https://www.rabbitears.info/market.p...lity_id=184493

I don't think this channel is worth anything to me, as I don't care for Azteca programming, and who needs more infomercials? Besides, I also have a C-band dish, and I have all the programming I could ever want for Spanish and/or Portuguese language, some of which is worth watching.
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I've already written to my contact at HC2 about WFFC-LD but have yet to hear back. It should have chosen a channel that does not conflict with local full-power or Class A stations.

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Here's a link to their location, which is on the border of Saginaw and Bridgeport. As you can see, it's nowhere near Midland. It's in the original building that housed Channel-57 up until 1965. Then that channel changed to 25, and became WEYI and moved to a different building in Saginaw.

I'm not all that familiar with Saginaw. I am about 72 miles away from town center on a road map. 65 to 70 to the location on the border of Saginaw and Bridgeport.

My newest TV is the first one I've owned that would display more than one station at the same location. As displaying all of these at once so: 25.1, 25.1, 25.2,25.2 etc. Or maybe it just never happened before.


It's also the only one that wouldn't go to 25.1 virtual if you put in the RF number 18.1 (as long as there wasn't a Channel 18 virtual channel) Thanks for you insight about different TV's scanning as the same virtual channels.

Thanks for answering my questions.
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WEYI 25.4 will light up DABL network on October 14th. There's already guide data for it for Tivo, and TitanTv guide online.
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New channel WFKB has changed it's lineup of stations. It's now worth watching!


WFKB-LD MIDLAND, MI

38-1 Grit

38-2 Court TV Mystery

38-3 Laff

38-4 Get Tv

I submitted a Tivo line-up change for this station, as it doesn't have it now and I can't get it on a guided setup because of that. However, I can manually scan it in, but with no Tivo guide data can only do manual recordings for now.

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