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WABC, RF 7, appears to be down on power. All my other stations are "normal", but ABC, which usually is in the low 90's, is fluctuating between 30 and 55. Only noticed when my weakest tuner (OK, a gen 1 HDTV set ) began losing lock, and one of the better tuners occasionally stutters.

I'm 40 miles north of the transmitters.

Anyone else notice a drop on RF 7 only ?
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My neighbors new led walkway lights killed my VHF a few years back until I worked with him to replace them!
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WPIX must have upped their power, I've been able to receive it fairly strongly since last week, it was always extremely marginal or no signal before.
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Looks like WNBc is doing the final move at the end of March. Just started seeing spots telling people to rescan or they wont get the signal anymore.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...460277243.html

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NBC New York is moving to a new transmitter with a much stronger signal and wider reach. If you are an over-the-air viewer who watches our station with a UHF antenna, you will need to rescan your TV channel lineups by the end of March 2018 to keep receiving NBC New York.

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WPIX must have upped their power, I've been able to receive it fairly strongly since last week, it was always extremely marginal or no signal before.
Looking at the Rabbitears monitoring setup in Fair Lawn, NJ, WPIX doesn't
appear to have increased its power and I haven't seen any filing with the
FCC about that. There was an upward signal strength "blip" around noontime
on 9/5 - but nothing more than that.
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Looks like WNBc is doing the final move at the end of March. Just started seeing spots telling people to rescan or they wont get the signal anymore.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...460277243.html
Thanks for finding this and sharing! I looked at it and they did a very nice job of explaining and trying to help people with the rescan. They seem to be promoting a stronger signal and wider broadcast too.

We shall see how that translates into reception for us OTA folks! Hopefully for the better!
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Thanks for finding this and sharing! I looked at it and they did a very nice job of explaining and trying to help people with the rescan. They seem to be promoting a stronger signal and wider broadcast too.

We shall see how that translates into reception for us OTA folks! Hopefully for the better!
A couple of things.

First, the on air PSA mentioned nothing about March being when the transition would occur.
That information was only on the station's website. I'm sure in watching the PSA, many people
thought the change was imminent. Not very responsible, and not very good communications.

Second, concerning the new signal.

Of course, it depends on where you live.

It also depends if/when the host channel, WNJU moves from its current location on the upper
UHF antenna to the lower one. The lower one is planned to be directional unlike the current
antenna being used.

I live on the Upper Eastside and WNJU's signal strength actually went down compared to ESB.

Those living near 1WTC are supposed to receive a stronger signal if the move to the lower
antenna takes place.

Lots of variables.

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Snellkrell,

My comments were specific to the website. I think they went above and beyond to help OTA viewers! I have not yet heard any announcements on NBC so I did not comment on them.
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Snellkrell,

My comments were specific to the website. I think they went above and beyond to help OTA viewers! I have not yet heard any announcements on NBC so I did not comment on them.
I would imagine that more people have seen the on air PSAs than
have visited the WNBC website.

As a professional in television marketing, I find the PSA, although
well intended and mandated by the FCC, incredibly mishandled and
grossly premature!
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A couple of things.

First, the on air PSA mentioned nothing about March being when the transition would occur.
That information was only on the station's website. I'm sure in watching the PSA, many people
thought the change was imminent. Not very responsible, and not very communications.


Lots of variables.

If they mention March, people will put it off and/or forget. Let people think the change is imminent so they don't put it off and lose service if they forget. Stations lost a lot of viewers and had their phones jammed for days/weeks after the DTV transition. Viewers got months to years notice of the transition and did nothing til they lost free analog TV. The result was frustrated viewers, station switchboards lit on fire, lost of viewership to stations, overwhelmed staff @ Radio Shack & Best Buy, etc. So besides you not approving, how is this not responsible? This is being very proactive and can only benefit both parties for acting early.
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Has anyone else here noticed a very subtle perceptible bitrate difference between WNBC 4-1 and WNBC 4-3?
WNBC 4-1 runs at about 16 meg. WNBC 4-3 via WNJU runs at about 8 meg. Cozi TV is about 2 meg on both 28 & 36.
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Wow. What a difference transmitting from the WTC for WNBC. I live in central NJ and I my roof antenna is facing towards Philly and I receive both WNBC and WNJU fine. Hopefully once all the stations move there, I can redirect my antenna towards NYC and receive the stations without issues. My worst station is Fox channel 5, and ION channel 31 when I point towards NYC.
Is ION any better now? They just moved to WTC.
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WNBC 4-1 runs at about 16 meg. WNBC 4-3 via WNJU runs at about 8 meg. Cozi TV is about 2 meg on both 28 & 36.
I really hope nbc fixes this after the final transition. It's a terrible picture now. Bummer.

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Is ION any better now? They just moved to WTC.
Have they really? Gotta do a rescan today, and see.

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During the summer I could usually receive Ion in the evening but now I don’t get it at all. I’m out on Long Island, in Centereach.


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During the summer I could usually receive Ion in the evening but now I don’t get it at all. I’m out on Long Island, in Centereach.


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Getting ion with 70% signal here in Stony Brook. It's not being transmitted from wtc. Still ESB.

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I really hope nbc fixes this after the final transition. It's a terrible picture now. Bummer.
I don't know if it will be "fixed" but it seems NBC is deploying VBR in their mux. The fiber feeds to cable companies still have full bandwidth and I expect that will still be the case after March.


The current WNJU-DT stream looks something like this:

4-3 WNBC HD 8 meg average (variable 5-12 meg)
47-1 WNJU HD 8 meg average (variable 5-12 meg)
4-4 Cozi 2 meg average
47-2 Exitos 2 meg average

Total ATSC bandwidth per channel is 19.39 meg. Those numbers given were averaged and rounded in case anyone wonders why it adds up to 20 meg
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I don't know if it will be "fixed" but it seems NBC is deploying VBR in their mux. The fiber feeds to cable companies still have full bandwidth and I expect that will still be the case after March.


The current WNJU-DT stream looks something like this:

4-3 WNBC HD 8 meg average (variable 5-12 meg)
47-1 WNJU HD 8 meg average (variable 5-12 meg)
4-4 Cozi 2 meg average
47-2 Exitos 2 meg average

Total ATSC bandwidth per channel is 19.39 meg. Those numbers given were averaged and rounded in case anyone wonders why it adds up to 20 meg
To put that in perspective, 4.1 coming from ESB is running 6-17 Mbps.

I worry about the picture quality that WNET will be putting out once
WEBR and WMBQ will be sharing its frequency.

Surely, wonderful nature programming deserves the best picture
quality possible.

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I worry about the picture quality that WNET will be putting out once
WEBC [sic] and WMBQ will be sharing its frequency.
WMBQ-CD and WEBR-CD are already sharing on WNET.

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Thanks Trip.

Hadn't done a rescan since WNBC began transmitting from WNJU's 1WTC facility.

Just checked out 13.

My HDTV doesn't list WMBQ in its station lineup, does list WEBR.

But, on 13.3, Biz TV, the picture is letterboxed with

WMBQ-CD, New York, NY

in white lettering in the upper right of the letterboxing.

Then there's 13.4, WEBR with possibly one of the worst pictures
I've ever seen - so soft, little definition.

What a pity that WNET, a bastion of quality is transmitting this!
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To put that in perspective, 4.1 coming from ESB is running 6-17 Mbps.

I worry about the picture quality that WNET will be putting out once
WEBR and WMBQ will be sharing its frequency.

Surely, wonderful nature programming deserves the best picture
quality possible.
4.1 from ESB is about 16meg steady with 4.2 at about 2meg steady from what I recall

4.3 from WTC is 5-12meg variable

I'll check bitrates for WNET and its subchannels when I get a chance
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4.1 from ESB is about 16meg steady with 4.2 at about 2meg steady from what I recall

4.3 from WTC is 5-12meg variable

I'll check bitrates for WNET and its subchannels when I get a chance
Yup, 4.1 was 16meg consistent. 4.3 is 6meg consistent. It flat out sucks. My direct TV feed is better. Might be time to ditch ota.
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Getting ion with 70% signal here in Stony Brook. It's not being transmitted from wtc. Still ESB.
WPXN is indeed transmitting from WTC now. They still have facilities at ESB for the time being in case WTC has issues.
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WPXN is indeed transmitting from WTC now. They still have facilities at ESB for the time being in case WTC has issues.
What frequency is from wtc?

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WPXN is indeed transmitting from WTC now. They still have facilities at ESB for the time being in case WTC has issues.
That is why I can receive it now. When it was on the ESB I could not receive it at all. Heck stations from NJ came in stronger.

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Yup, 4.1 was 16meg consistent. 4.3 is 6meg consistent. It flat out sucks. My direct TV feed is better. Might be time to ditch ota.
The question is whether Directv and other cable companies switch to the low bitrate feed to save space after RF 28 goes away in March.
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The question is whether Directv and other cable companies switch to the low bitrate feed to save space after RF 28 goes away in March.
I believe they get a direct fiber feed. If they want to save bandwidth, they can just lower the bitrate feed.

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What frequency is from wtc?
Still on 31 for now.
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Still on 31 for now.
Thanks. For me, at least out here 60 miles away on long island, the signal from wtc is pretty amazing. Getting 90 signal on NBC, 84 on ion. I might get higher with a readjusted antenna.

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The question is whether Directv and other cable companies switch to the low bitrate feed to save space after RF 28 goes away in March.
The satellite and cable companies might have no choice. 99% of the time, the fiber feed mirrors what is going to the transmitter. A station could send a higher bitrate feed but the question is whether they want to. It requires another encoder and powering it 24/7/365 which might not seem like much of a cost but stations' budgets are always stretched thin. So cost and operationally it makes sense to feed everyone from the same encoder.

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