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WNBC has been down since 10 am or so. signal is not even transmitting.
It's back on my set.

First no signal from WWOR and now WNBC.

What's next Durst?

Signals have already been reduced to allow work that should have been done last year.

When work had to be done on the ESB and signal strength reduced, most of that work
was done in the middle of the night.

The move to 1WTC has been a disaster for many of us.
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WNBC has been down since 10 am or so. signal is not even transmitting.
It's transmitting but at a lower power. My Signal Strength is HDHomerun is down from ~85% to around 40%. It can decode few frames but there's too much pixelation for it to be watchable.

Just as I was typing this post, it seems to be back to normal.
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I didn't think so but I have no idea why a re scan picked it up on 25 when I was receiving it previously and it was dark until I did a rescan?
Now that you get WWOR on 25, your scan should have added WRNN on 48.1, 48.2, and 48.3 not that there's anything worthwhile on there.
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Yup I now see that 4.1 NBC has a signal problem.


Also 7.1 and 11.1 VHF has degraded for me! Can't watch them with all the pixelation going on. Yikes!


NYC should be state of the art for OTA and a leader and instead we are like a S'hole country!
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WNBC has been down since 10 am or so. signal is not even transmitting.

I had reception trouble during Game 5 of the Stanley Cup Finals last week... (fwiw)
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Yup I now see that 4.1 NBC has a signal problem.
Also 7.1 and 11.1 VHF has degraded for me! Can't watch them with all the pixelation going on. Yikes!
NYC should be state of the art for OTA and a leader and instead we are like a S'hole country!
Which is why I cancelled my TiVo service again after only 2 months.

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Reading through these reception reports, it's clear these issues aren't isolated to one channel or one household. They are quite widespread. FWIW on my part, WPIX has a horrific signal when compared to its VHF-Hi counterparts. I'm thinking these reception complaints should be directed toward the station engineers, and perhaps even the FCC. It may be helpful for the TV stations and the governing agency who all may want to say everything is going perfectly well with the repack to receive some bad reception of their own. It's fine to look at the "interference studies" which may show a 0.00042 degree of interference to an adjacent station on paper, but that minute numeral may present destructive interference to the same adjacent station in the real world once the transmitter is powered up.
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Reading through these reception reports, it's clear these issues aren't isolated to one channel or one household. They are quite widespread. FWIW on my part, WPIX has a horrific signal when compared to its VHF-Hi counterparts. I'm thinking these reception complaints should be directed toward the station engineers, and perhaps even the FCC. It may be helpful for the TV stations and the governing agency who all may want to say everything is going perfectly well with the repack to receive some bad reception of their own. It's fine to look at the "interference studies" which may show a 0.00042 degree of interference to an adjacent station on paper, but that minute numeral may present destructive interference to the same adjacent station in the real world once the transmitter is powered up.
I thought it was me. My CM 4228 was knocked down by a storm. I reinstalled it, all the same, but for 5 feet less mast, so it is 10 feet, not 15, off my roof. All other channels are pretty much the same, but 11 pixellates. Thought it was me, but upon checking my prior list of signal strengths, 11 is less, while others are same.

On the plus side, there isn't anything on 11 we record.

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It's back on my set.


The move to 1WTC has been a disaster for many of us.

WNET supposedly is moving to 1WTC this week if they haven't already
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WNET supposedly is moving to 1WTC this week if they haven't already
I think it has already moved. My hourly scans from hdhomerun indicates increase in power for the last few hours (plot attached).
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I think it has already moved. My hourly scans from hdhomerun indicates increase in power for the last few hours (plot attached).
As of now channel 13 has a stronger signal then chennel 7. Strongest VHF signal. Channel 11 is still hit or miss depending on the time of day . Channel 8 NJN which is south of me, has a stronger signal then channel 11. Low VHF channel 3 even has a stronger signal then 11.
I removed my old Radio Shack old larger VHF/UHF antenna and replaced it with a Antennas Direct Clearstream 2 max which has a single set of dipoles for VHF and a Winegard LNA200 preamp. Plus I’m about 27 + miles west from the ESB and WTC.
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Houndbaby,


You are only a few miles to my east so I was wondering how you manage to get 8 NJN? Do you have a separate VHF antenna pointed to Basking Ridge or are you using a rotor?


My VHF antenna pointed to NYC does not pick up 8 NJN.
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WNET does appear to be on 1WTC, or is at least testing on 1WTC. They filed for program test authority today.


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I just got my OTA put on the roof and received VHF and UHF big time. Then lost 7, 11, 13, NJN
after a recent storm - although I still get 2, 4, 5,9, 68 etc. Channel 11 Engineering advised me they are broadcasting full strength with no problems - I have an ANTOP Smartpass antenna.
ANTOP advises they don't think it's my antenna. I am thinking it must be the antenna - saw something somewhere that static electricity from thunderstorms can affect it.
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Antop antenna - I'd be really surprised if a panel antenna like that does any good at all with VHF signals as far away as "central Jersey."

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Houndbaby,


You are only a few miles to my east so I was wondering how you manage to get 8 NJN? Do you have a separate VHF antenna pointed to Basking Ridge or are you using a rotor?


My VHF antenna pointed to NYC does not pick up 8 NJN.
Here a couple of photos of the antenna that I am presently using, no rotor just pointed towards NYC as per antenna point. The VHF is only rated at 2.6 dBi. If I manually rotate the antenna a few degrees I then lose the signal from channel 8. Also 13 is looking fine and 11 is unwatchable at this time. A friend in Fairlawn NJ just check 11 on his OTA and its at 100% with a 30.00+ SNR.
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For those tracking the WJLP saga: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachme...C-351870A1.pdf


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Here a couple of photos of the antenna that I am presently using, no rotor just pointed towards NYC as per antenna point. The VHF is only rated at 2.6 dBi. If I manually rotate the antenna a few degrees I then lose the signal from channel 8. Also 13 is looking fine and 11 is unwatchable at this time. A friend in Fairlawn NJ just check 11 on his OTA and its at 100% with a 30.00+ SNR.

I'm surprised you get that much TV with that antenna. Denville is a nice location. Are you south or north of route 10?
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I just got my OTA put on the roof and received VHF and UHF big time. Then lost 7, 11, 13, NJN
after a recent storm - although I still get 2, 4, 5,9, 68 etc. Channel 11 Engineering advised me they are broadcasting full strength with no problems - I have an ANTOP Smartpass antenna.
ANTOP advises they don't think it's my antenna. I am thinking it must be the antenna - saw something somewhere that static electricity from thunderstorms can affect it.

I too have completely lost WPIX 11.1 and WABC 7.1.


Meanwhile 13.1 WNET is coming in great with strong signal and quality. The best I have seen in months!



No reason that I can come up with and when the WPIX engineers say all is well I have to wonder. Of course the person you spoke with may just be blowing you off and really has no clue or is not at liberty to say.
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WNET does appear to be on 1WTC, or is at least testing on 1WTC. They filed for program test authority today.


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I hope they keep doing what they are doing as they are the only VHF station I am receiving now and signal strength and quality are the best I have seen in many months.
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WPIX has the worst reception and I would love it to move to 1WTC. It is also my most watched OTA station.

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NYC UWS. WNET 13.1 has weakened drastically since the move to 1 WTC few days ago , I wonder why ?!


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NYC UWS. WNET 13.1 has weakened drastically since the move to 1 WTC few days ago , I wonder why ?!
I don't see any change. I've been monitoring my signal (see attachment). It's probably something else.
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I see you are in Queens, UWS here (80s) maybe that’s the reason


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I hope they keep doing what they are doing as they are the only VHF station I am receiving now and signal strength and quality are the best I have seen in many months.
I am north of Rt 10, south of Rt 80 just off the Fox Hill Road overpass. I attached signal info for all the Hi Vhf channels and the one Low Vhf channel and one Uhf channel just for comparison . Also I just install the rear reflector on the Clearsteam 2 Max. I was getting dropouts on Channel 5 UHF44. this seems to have corrected that problem. I have to say that I am really surprised of the performance of the Clearstream 2 Max. now if only Channl 11 would get there act together.
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"The facility was designed with state-of-the-art equipment and also has the infrastructure for future
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Today, marks the first anniversary of NBCUniversal's Channel 36 officially transmitting from 1 World Trade Center -
the facility's first broadcaster.

Please note that all of the information below has been gleaned from public, FCC filings and comments.

We, the New York area viewing public has not been served well by The Durst Organization!

Originally, WNJU/WNBC and their sub-channels were authorized by the FCC to transmit from 1WTC positioned on
the building's Lower UHF Antenna using a Directional pattern.

The Durst Organization had been informed by NBCUniversal of its technical specification and when its leases at
the Empire State Building were to end.

Before Channel 36's 6/23/17 official start of transmission, there was a short period of testing. But, instead of the
expected position on the Lower UHF Antenna, using a Directional pattern, Channel 36 had to use the only operational
antenna at that time - the Upper UHF facility with a None directional pattern. The Lower UHF Antenna was not ready!

Having to use the Upper section, NBCUniversal still wanted to transmit using a Directional pattern. Durst could not
comply with this request claiming it was not able to provide additional power to fulfill that. So much for state-
of-the-art and the ability to meet broadcasters' needs. As of this writing, Channel 36 is still waiting to move to its
original, FCC authorized location. The Lower UHF Antenna is still not operational!

Next, in the litany of broken promises is the problem that WNYW has faced. Fox had committed to moving both of its
NY area stations, WWOR and WNYW to 1WTC. Both stations were authorized by the FCC to transmit from the Upper
UHF Antenna. WWOR has moved there, but WNYW has been denied its location on the Upper section. Once again,
Durst has claimed that the facility did not have the required power to live up to its obligation.

WNYW has filed with the Commission and has received approval to transmit from the Lower UHF Antenna.

Now, here's an interesting complication. WLIW has been authorized to transmit from the Upper UHF Antenna.
If Durst could not accommodate WNYW there, how will WLIW be able to locate there????

If the above were not bad enough, while Durst has been working on finally bringing on board the Lower UHF Antenna
and the VHF section, stations have had to decrease their power to allow work on those new sections on the mast.

So, television stations, hoping to improve their signals by moving to 1 World Trade Center, have had to diminish their
signals frustrating a public that depends on Over-the-Air reception.

It's been a year now, and yes, there have been weather/wind problems in getting the facility fully operational, but I
have a strong feeling that weather cannot be the only problem.

Way in advance of television stations signing-off to make the move from the Empire State Building to 1 World Trade Center,
broadcasters provided The Durst Organization with detailed information which included technical needs and timing - all
authorized by the FCC. There were no secrets!

Happy Anniversary to what had been touted as the world's most advanced television transmission facility. Hardly a paragon
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Any news on radio stations moving to 1WTC?

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Snellkrell,


Thanks for the update! Just what some of us expected. Lot of self promotion and hype for 1 WTC but short on delivery. Of course there is no one like an investigative reporter in the news media following up with us folks that actually use antennas to get the facts on what is going on! So these organizations with the big bucks and press releases can lie at will and no one is the wiser.
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Just wanted to let you know that Antennas Direct has on their website a broadcast station and reception finder. Don't know how many of you knew that.


https://www.antennasdirect.com/transmitter-locator.html



Anyway I checked it out for our NYC area and found it to be woefully wrong. They never updated for the stations going to 1 WTC. So I communicated to them and they sent me this response:


Hi!


Thanks for bringing this to our attention. The database we are pulling from does not have the most updated signal information. Here is a more updated registry for reference.
https://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=1

Other than helping us improve our services, do you have any questions or concerns that I can help with?


Thanks again for letting us know


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