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I'm hearing that WLNY has made its move from channel 47 to channel 27. Can anyone confirm?

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Yes they are. Still broadcasting from both frequencies. Is the 27 frequency from long island? Or NYC?

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Yes they are. Still broadcasting from both frequencies. Is the 27 frequency from long island? Or NYC?
From the tower in Middle Island.
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@FrankH3rd : Even in the analog era, it was very hard to get VHF signals inside a concrete or cinderblock building. I assume that is still true with digital signals. I also assume that is why SnellKrell had to put his rabbit ears antenna very close to the window to get WNET-13. As for metal buildings, I have never been able to try, but it's probably a similar situation.


The cable boom in the USA didn't hit until the 1980's. In fact, cable didn't achieve 50% household penetration until 1987. That's when rooftop antennas were disappearing at a brisk rate. In the 2010's, they have slowly popped back up here and there. Unfortunately, people in urban centers will have trouble with their TV reception until ATSC 3.0 rolls out.
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@FrankH3rd : Even in the analog era, it was very hard to get VHF signals inside a concrete or cinderblock building. I assume that is still true with digital signals. I also assume that is why SnellKrell had to put his rabbit ears antenna very close to the window to get WNET-13. As for metal buildings, I have never been able to try, but it's probably a similar situation.


The cable boom in the USA didn't hit until the 1980's. In fact, cable didn't achieve 50% household penetration until 1987. That's when rooftop antennas were disappearing at a brisk rate. In the 2010's, they have slowly popped back up here and there. Unfortunately, people in urban centers will have trouble with their TV reception until ATSC 3.0 rolls out.
Without beating a dead horse, my reception problems didn't begin until stations moved to 1WTC.

Same high-rise apartment, same construction, same everything except for 1WTC.
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From the tower in Middle Island.


And yesterday 27 was broadcasting CBS. Stinks that they stopped that because cbs is hard for me to pick up from NYC


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@SnellKrell : My bad. I guess I assumed too much. Being on the Upper East Side, can I assume that window you use for your antennas points southwest toward both the ESB and 1WTC? If it does, my only guess is that the TV signals have to pass through more buildings.
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@SnellKrell : My bad. I guess I assumed too much. Being on the Upper East Side, can I assume that window you use for your antennas points southwest toward both the ESB and 1WTC? If it does, my only guess is that the TV signals have to pass through more buildings.
The window faces south.

The problem is not necessarily that the signal has to pass through more buildings.

The problem is that the transmission antennas are much higher and the signals have
trouble reaching locations that are relatively close to 1WTC.

If that weren't had enough, WNET is now running at approximately half the Effective
Radiated Power that it had been when it was transmitting from ESB.

The perfect storm!
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@SnellKrell : Like you said, ATSC 3.0 hopefully will solve many of the problems associated with ATSC 1.0. Until then, maybe they can put translators on top of the ESB again.
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@SnellKrell : Like you said, ATSC 3.0 hopefully will solve many of the problems associated with ATSC 1.0. Until then, maybe they can put translators on top of the ESB again.
Glad you used a smiley face.

Stations couldn't care less about OTA.

Station sharing and adding more and more subchannels are great for a station's
bottom line, but only degrades the quality of the main signal.

Thank you, WNET!

ATSC 3.0 is their last hope that stations have when it comes to OTA.

They will then have the ability to compete in the marketplace selling data packages,
and delivering signals to smartphones.
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As for metal buildings, I have never been able to try, but it's probably a similar situation.

Aluminum siding effectively block all television signals.. should your home still have it.
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Question- Was OTA TV reception using an indoor antenna EVER good and consistently reliable for viewers living in steel and concrete buildings in Manhattan and Brooklyn, regardless of the transmitting antenna location, ESB or original WTC ? Even in the old analog days? I seem to recall that almost from the beginning of TV in the 1950's and 1960's, building owners would connect their apartments to antennas located on building roofs, because reception with indoor antennas was problematic at best. Then cable services replaced the rooftop antennas starting in the (1970's?). (Wasn't the original purpose of cable systems, before there were "cable channels", to get broadcast stations to hard to reach rural and urban locations?).
OTA reception in Manhattan has always been a problem. There are inevitably multiple reflections from the many tall buildings. In the old analog days the image was clouded with ghosts to the extent that it was usually unwatchable. To watch local broadcasts, a cable feed was pretty much essential for most people. The arrival of digital broadcasting made OTA reception more of a possibility. The strongest signal might well be a reflection from another building, and multiple signals at once (ghosts in analog) can still cause problems, but if you do succeed in getting something it will look pretty good.

Unfortunately, few people are able to place an antenna on their roof, so some sort of interior device is the only option. I'm in mid Manhattan and can get some, but definitely not all, the OTA channels.
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Oddly enough, a typical indoor antenna tucked to my 2nd floor window sill facing Broadway on UWS in the 80’s, gets all channels now.... go figure.
The Elevation in my area is 120 ft


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How is everyone's reception these days? Anything new to report? I'm still w/o 7.1 and 11.1. Everything else seems to be ok.
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Where I am channel 13 is much stronger on the 1WTC. No surprise as my TV and radio reception (WKCR, WPAT, WKTU) use to be excellent when they were on the original twin towers WTC.

Watching a Capital Fourth on WNET then switching to WNBC-WNJU when it ended so I watched the fireworks without ads it did not break up once. Last year was a disaster when it was on the ESB. So for me 1WTC I can now get WPXN channel 31 which I could not get a blimp on the ESB. WNBC-WNJU comes in stronger too. I wish WPIX would move as on the ESB its terrible when there is bad weather just as bad as WNET was.

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How is everyone's reception these days? Anything new to report? I'm still w/o 7.1 and 11.1. Everything else seems to be ok.
my antennas (3 of them, 1 uhf, 1 hi-vhf and 1 lo-vhf) have not moved in 10 years facing ESB when I installed and i have had zero problems with reception during the repacks and moves. I haven't lost any channels because of it.

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my antennas (3 of them, 1 uhf, 1 hi-vhf and 1 lo-vhf) have not moved in 10 years facing ESB when I installed and i have had zero problems with reception during the repacks and moves. I haven't lost any channels because of it.

You are in a great location. You can't be much more than 15 miles from the ESB and 1WTC. Plus you are above sea level and your antennas are directed east south east. All of which means you probably did not need to re-aim them and reception did not take a hit.


I forget was it you that mentioned you still get NJN now transmitting from Basking Ridge?
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I forget was it you that mentioned you still get NJN now transmitting from Basking Ridge?
no, i dont get it. its too far and in a totally different location. the montclair antenna is 2 miles away from me dead center in the path of esb though.

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no, i dont get it. its too far and in a totally different location. the montclair antenna is 2 miles away from me dead center in the path of esb though.

Too bad the Montclair antenna is not used anymore. NJ PBS lost a ton of viewers with the change and they are so stupid thinking that the people in North Jersey can receive NJN without changing their antennas and subsequently losing the all the other stations they get coming out of NY.


They look and see how much coverage their broadcast get coming north from Basking Ridge and don't understand antenna pointing.
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Too bad the Montclair antenna is not used anymore. NJ PBS lost a ton of viewers with the change and they are so stupid thinking that the people in North Jersey can receive NJN without changing their antennas and subsequently losing the all the other stations they get coming out of NY.


They look and see how much coverage their broadcast get coming north from Basking Ridge and don't understand antenna pointing.
They are not stupid. They knew they would lose viewers. But they got $200 million in the process. Money to keep them afloat and money they would never got from the OTA viewers they lost.
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They are not stupid. They knew they would lose viewers. But they got $200 million in the process. Money to keep them afloat and money they would never got from the OTA viewers they lost.
I'm fairly certain that the $194 million that the state of New Jersey received for selling
WNJN, Montclair's frequency, went into Trenton's general account, with no amount specifically
earmarked for broadcasting.

In fact, the New Jersey Public Broadcasting Authority, had asked the state that a portion of
the money generated by the sales be directed to the Authority - there was no expectation
to receive all the proceeds.

i don't know the outcome. But with the state's financial problems, it's doubtful if any has
gone to Public Broadcasting.

Also, it's interesting that Authority spokespeople, in trying to justify the sales, stated -

"We want to make sure this money goes back to communities and make sure they get
the information and media they want to see."

It was also claimed that there would be no disruption in services!

Who are you going to believe, Trenton or your own eyes???
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I’m still able to receive VHF ch 58.1. Plus 7.1 , 13.1. WPIX 11.1 at times sometimes in the AM. For the most part it looks like it doesn’t exist. I’m thinks of raising the antenna another 5 feet and see if it helps. Any updates on if and went WNYW 5.1 planed move to the WTC will take place.
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They are not stupid. They knew they would lose viewers. But they got $200 million in the process. Money to keep them afloat and money they would never got from the OTA viewers they lost.

They are stupid. I give money to public broadcasting just about every year and guess what happened when I can no longer get NJN? Probably more people are like me and so those funds are gone for ever!
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They are stupid. I give money to public broadcasting just about every year and guess what happened when I can no longer get NJN? Probably more people are like me and so those funds are gone for ever!
Bingo!
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WJLP 33.7 new? Just noticed it, it has color bars and the channel name is called "future".
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Weren't some having issues with 5.1 (fox)? Just watched the World Cup Final, no glitches at all, reception fine (UWS, flat antenna).

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WJLP 33.7 new? Just noticed it, it has color bars and the channel name is called "future".
The description states for future programming. Some audio was playing for a short while. Seems like they are testing Heartland, a country music network. The color bars have been up for weeks now.
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The description states for future programming. Some audio was playing for a short while. Seems like they are testing Heartland, a country music network. The color bars have been up for weeks now.
Or DECADES, as we prepare to say so-long to that diginet's WCBS-TV New York (and other CBS O&Os) affiliations

https://tvnewscheck.com/article/2191...emale-diginet/
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Or DECADES, as we prepare to say so-long to that diginet's WCBS-TV New York (and other CBS O&Os) affiliations

https://tvnewscheck.com/article/2191...emale-diginet/
Why couldnt they put it on WLNY?
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Why couldnt they put it on WLNY?
CBS could create a subchannel on WLNY-TV Riverhead, though they have not done so to date, and there is ongoing speculation as to whether they will do just that on one of their Los Angeles, CA. TV properties. However, that option begs the question as to why CBS wouldn't just add a -3 subchannel to WCBS-TV New York and move DECADES there. The WLNY-TV signal contour, at present, is fringe throughout most of New York City proper and non-existent in New Jersey, thus such a move, while it would technically keep DECADES on the air in the New York market, would effectively cull its available audience by a significant population quantity.
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CBS could create a subchannel on WLNY-TV Riverhead, though they have not done so to date, and there is ongoing speculation as to whether they will do just that on one of their Los Angeles, CA. TV properties. However, that option begs the question as to why CBS wouldn't just add a -3 subchannel to WCBS-TV New York and move DECADES there. The WLNY-TV signal contour, at present, is fringe throughout most of New York City proper and non-existent in New Jersey, thus such a move, while it would technically keep DECADES on the air in the New York market, would effectively cull its available audience by a significant population quantity.
I'm not in NY so I'm just speculating. The one press release said that in LA it will move stations. Whether that is CBS's KCAL or Weigel's KAZA is not known. Chicago it will move to a Weigel owned station. I'm sure the reason for the change is due to instant cable coverage of the new diginet.

I wish CBS would create a -3 for Decades. I'm in Minneapolis which is losing Decades too (WCCO-DT2) and unlike most of the CBS O&O markets, Minneapolis has no sister station for it to go to. But it took forever for CBS to add a subchannel to their O&O stations (when they added Decades) so they may be hesitant to add a 2nd subchannel.
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