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Looks like WNET increased its power today, getting full power on UWS.
From my location, it looks like it decreased its power around 9:30AM: https://www.rabbitears.info/tvdx/sig...71/tuner1/WNET

Some other observations:
  • WMBC still isn't broadcasting from ESB
  • W41DO has stopped broadcasting. I was seeing a "Weak Signal" message with a HSN2 phone number for the last few weeks, so maybe it's down for good now?
  • There was a slight reduction in power in WNYE yesterday evening.

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Looks like WNET increased its power today, getting full power on UWS.


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WNET is totally dead here 27 miles west of the WTC. Was working fine until today.
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WNET is totally dead here 27 miles west of the WTC. Was working fine until today.


.....then something must have changed, I still get 100% S/N and 100% Strength.... very odd.


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WNET is totally dead here 27 miles west of the WTC. Was working fine until today.
I'm 10 miles due west of the WTC and I'm getting WNET at 100% signal strength.
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I'm 10 miles due west of the WTC and I'm getting WNET at 100% signal strength.
Just did a rescan and 13 is very very weak. Just pixalalation. This was my strongest VHF channel too.
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Just did a rescan and 13 is very very weak. Just pixalalation. This was my strongest VHF channel too.

I wonder what is going on, I am getting Channel 13 with good strength and good PQ.

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[*]W41DO has stopped broadcasting. I was seeing a "Weak Signal" message with a HSN2 phone number for the last few weeks, so maybe it's down for good now?
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The unmanned station lost their sateliite feed of HSN2 and never fixed it. The toll fee phone number is overlayed normally so that HSN knows how the viewers receive the network and the sales commission is sent to the proper station. Many cable companies and local OTA stations had equipment that did this, each with a different phone number. Without the overlay, the HSN numbers are 800-284-3100, 3200, 3400.
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According to a friend, who is an RF engineer, this increase in power
will hardly make a difference.
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It may for the viewers with borderline reception which you can see here is more than a few.

If it made no difference, then it wouldn't be done.

I'm a long time engineer in this market for what it's worth.
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I wonder what is going on, I am getting Channel 13 with good strength and good PQ.
Using a CM4228HD on ten feet of pole above roof. Tuner is a Tivo Roamio OTA.

40 miles north of NYC, near river,

steady 72 for Channel 13 as of this moment. 11:20 pm EST.

11 is 55 with some ribbons, but watchable. 11 is the lowest VHF hi at my location, always...

7 is 67 and stable. 7 has been the most consistent of the VHF-Hi stations.

Very odd that 13 is stronger than 7. First time I've seen this. In the past, with my broadband antenna, I've seen 98% on 7

The 4228 got covered with snow last winter, froze solid, and a burst took the now 25 + lb antenna down. I put it up on the two poles remaining (the third pole folded over) and lost signal strength on all channels...I'm behind some ridges and the 5 feet DID make a difference. Project before weather turns is to re-raise it, and if that doesn't work, buy a bigger antenna with VHF elements...although the CM 4228 worked just fine on VHF high before it fell over...

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Using a CM4228HD on ten feet of pole above roof. Tuner is a Tivo Roamio OTA.



40 miles north of NYC, near river,



steady 72 for Channel 13 as of this moment. 11:20 pm EST.



11 is 55 with some ribbons, but watchable. 11 is the lowest VHF hi at my location, always...



7 is 67 and stable. 7 has been the most consistent of the VHF-Hi stations.



Very odd that 13 is stronger than 7. First time I've seen this.



The 4228 got covered with snow last winter, froze solid, and a burst took the now 25 + lb antenna down. I put it up on the two poles remaining (the third pole folded over) and lost signal strength on all channels...I'm behind some ridges and the 5 feet DID make a difference. Project before weather turns is to re-raise it, and if that doesn't work, buy a bigger antenna with VHF elements...although the CM 4228 worked just fine on VHF high before it fell over...


Apparently, many are seeing stronger signal on 13, I doubt it is due to weather/climate/atmospheric changes as one of our mates suggested. Let’s see what happens in the next few days.


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It may for the viewers with borderline reception which you can see here is more than a few.

If it made no difference, then it wouldn't be done.

I'm a long time engineer in this market for what it's worth.
The only reason it will be done is that the FCC mandated that WNET make changes.

The Repack called for WNET to give up Channel 13 an move to 12. Concomitant
with that frequency change, the FCC then assigned the new ERP for the station.

That is why there will be the slight increase in power. As for it not making a
difference in my reception, that opinion was given by an RF expert, whose
credentials and knowledge are beyond reproach!
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The only reason it will be done is that the FCC mandated that WNET make changes.

The Repack called for WNET to give up Channel 13 an move to 12. Concomitant
with that frequency change, the FCC then assigned the new ERP for the station.

That is why there will be the slight increase in power. As for it not making a
difference in my reception, that opinion was given by an RF expert, whose
credentials and knowledge are beyond reproach!
So what exactly is the correlation between the move to channel 12 and the bump in power? And I'm wondering what the reason is that they are being mandated to move down 1 channel notch.
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So what exactly is the correlation between the move to channel 12 and the bump in power? And I'm wondering what the reason is that they are being mandated to move down 1 channel notch.
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Using a CM4228HD on ten feet of pole above roof. Tuner is a Tivo Roamio OTA.

40 miles north of NYC, near river,

steady 72 for Channel 13 as of this moment. 11:20 pm EST.

11 is 55 with some ribbons, but watchable. 11 is the lowest VHF hi at my location, always...

7 is 67 and stable. 7 has been the most consistent of the VHF-Hi stations.

Very odd that 13 is stronger than 7. First time I've seen this.

The 4228 got covered with snow last winter, froze solid, and a burst took the now 25 + lb antenna down. I put it up on the two poles remaining (the third pole folded over) and lost signal strength on all channels...I'm behind some ridges and the 5 feet DID make a difference. Project before weather turns is to re-raise it, and if that doesn't work, buy a bigger antenna with VHF elements...although the CM 4228 worked just fine on VHF high before it fell over...

Have you considered a new antenna?

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So what exactly is the correlation between the move to channel 12 and the bump in power?

There isn't one. WNET was assigned 4 kW on channel 12 by the FCC. WNET then requested 6.52 kW, the maximum allowed without causing more than 0.5% interference. That application was granted and, when the change in channel takes place, WNET should increase power at that time.



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And I'm wondering what the reason is that they are being mandated to move down 1 channel notch.

To prevent interference among existing high-VHF stations and those that won UHF to high-VHF bids in the auction.


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One thing I noticed about WNET last night and this morning, is even though I'm getting 100% signal strength, there seems to be some pixelation.
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I cannot keep up with all these channel changes and moves. Is WNET now on 1WTC? When will WNET switch to 12 instead of 13 (or has it already happened)?

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I cannot keep up with all these channel changes and moves. Is WNET now on 1WTC? When will WNET switch to 12 instead of 13 (or has it already happened)?
Yes, WNET is now transmitting from 1WTC.

The station is scheduled to change to Channel 12 and increase power, as part of Repack Phase 9, May 1, 2020.
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WNET 13, 17 miles westwith double edge diffraction and my antenna still pointed towards ESB, not WTC, never had issues.

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Same condition on WNET this morning . Im getting the same signal levels when it was transmitting from the ESB. Same as WPIX, very poor to unwatchable. Something has changed to the signal level going west of the WTC. Like i posted yesterday it had the best VHF Signal of all the VHF channels, WABC was second . Again I’m about 28 miles from the WTC.
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Same condition on WNET this morning . Im getting the same signal levels when it was transmitting from the ESB. Same as WPIX, very poor to unwatchable. Something has changed to the signal level going west of the WTC. Like i posted yesterday it had the best VHF Signal of all the VHF channels, WABC was second . Again I’m about 28 miles from the WTC.
I would tend to agree that something odd is going on with WNET. I'm getting 100% signal strength yet I see occasional pixelation and banding across the screen. That's not happening on any other channels.
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Quest is now officially on the air: WMBC 63-2.

I'm getting WMBC from Montclair. It seems that the ESB issue still has not been resolved.
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Quest is now officially on the air: WMBC 63-2.

I'm getting WMBC from Montclair. It seems that the ESB issue still has not been resolved.
WMBC has returned on my set.

It looks as if the station has fired up its new transmitter at 1WTC.
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WMBC has returned on my set.



It looks as if the station has fired up its new transmitter at 1WTC.


Looks bad: signal is being broadcast in 16:9 but being squeezed into a 4:3 format on 63.2


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WMBC has returned on my set.

It looks as if the station has fired up its new transmitter at 1WTC.
I don't believe so. According to RabbitEars the WTC app is still pending. I have a directional antenna pointed at NYC and I don't receive WMBC, but my omnidirectional antenna can pick it up, so I assume what I'm seeing is from Montclair.
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I don't believe so. According to RabbitEars the WTC app is still pending. I have a directional antenna pointed at NYC and I don't receive WMBC, but my omnidirectional antenna can pick it up, so I assume what I'm seeing is from Montclair.
I had thought this possible since the Live Bandscan from Richmond Hill is showing
transmission from 1WTC.
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The Live Bandscan is pulling the wrong location for WMBC. I'm aware of the issue.


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I would tend to agree that something odd is going on with WNET. I'm getting 100% signal strength yet I see occasional pixelation and banding across the screen. That's not happening on any other channels.

No issues from my location in Randolph. Signal strength 85-87% and quality locked at 100%. Same as it was a month ago.


Your pixelation may signal quality related.
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The Live Bandscan is pulling the wrong location for WMBC. I'm aware of the issue.


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I noticed WJLP is showing the WTC location too. Did they actually move or is that one wrong too?
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No issues from my location in Randolph. Signal strength 85-87% and quality locked at 100%. Same as it was a month ago.


Your pixelation may signal quality related.
I'm noticing pixelation on 13-1 but 13-2 is fine. Not sure how a signal issue could only affect 1 subchannel.
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