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Yep, the cable companies have so much control of the over the air transmission, would not
surprise me they have a lot of sway on decisions the fcc makes, hence they want to see ota
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I just rescanned and got a nice surprise... WLNY has added Stadium on 55-3! My reception of WWOR/WRNN (48-2) out here on Long Island is spotty at best, so this is certainly a welcome addition. See attached image
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Also, Aliento Vision (a Hispanic Christian network) is now on WMBC 63-7, which used to be a blank signal except during the day on Saturdays, when it would play E/I programming.
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I just rescanned and got a nice surprise... WLNY has added Stadium on 55-3! My reception of WWOR/WRNN (48-2) out here on Long Island is spotty at best, so this is certainly a welcome addition. See attached image
I remember a couple years back, wlny had the best picture quality 1080p, must of taken a
a hit from the subs? Is hard to their signal to you need at least 200 ft elevation
to receive it well.
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I remember a couple years back, wlny had the best picture quality 1080p, must of taken a
a hit from the subs? Is hard to their signal to you need at least 200 ft elevation
to receive it well.

Did you really mean 1080i?
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Speaking of WWOR/WRNN, it seems as if Arirang was dropped from 48.3 and replaced - at least for now - with a copy of WRNN on 48.1. Additionally, WJLP moved their test pattern to 33.5, labeled it "Future" and added the description "Nuestra test."
Also, 14.1 and 46.1 still air the same programming, sure would be nice if they used one of those channels to air NJTV or any of WLIW's channels as those stations are next to impossible to tune in in New York City.
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I remember a couple years back, wlny had the best picture quality 1080p, must of taken a
a hit from the subs? Is hard to their signal to you need at least 200 ft elevation
to receive it well.
Are there any towns on Long Island that are anywhere near 200 ft elevation? I have only been to LI a couple times and I remember it being very flat. I live in NJ (10 miles due west of NYC) and I can pick up WLNY reasonably well with a small outdoor antenna. I'm close to 500 feet in elevation.
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Also, 14.1 and 46.1 still air the same programming, sure would be nice if they used one of those channels to air NJTV or any of WLIW's channels as those stations are next to impossible to tune in in New York City.
14.1 and 46.1 are only using the bandwidth of one channel. It is just mapped twice similar to how 4.1 and 4.3 WNBC have identical programming.

58.1 WNJB and 50.1 WNJN are also transmitted once (single stream) but mapped twice. Cable companies do it all the time as well for various reasons like having a local spanish station appear in the local channel grouping then again in the spanish channel grouping.
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Yep, the cable companies have so much control of the over the air transmission, would not
surprise me they have a lot of sway on decisions the fcc makes, hence they want to see ota
fail.

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Umm, NO!
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14.1 and 46.1 are only using the bandwidth of one channel. It is just mapped twice similar to how 4.1 and 4.3 WNBC have identical programming.

If they are, that is a change from a month ago, when 14.1 and 46.1 were definitely being sent separately. https://www.rabbitears.info/screenca.../18795-0_0.htm Further, 46-1 is (was?) SD, while 14-1 is (was?) HD. Can't do that using the same video/audio stream.



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If they are, that is a change from a month ago, when 14.1 and 46.1 were definitely being sent separately. https://www.rabbitears.info/screenca.../18795-0_0.htm Further, 46-1 is (was?) SD, while 14-1 is (was?) HD. Can't do that using the same video/audio stream.
14.1 and 46.1 are still separate streams. 46.1 is 480i and 14.1 is 1080i.
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14.1 and 46.1 are only using the bandwidth of one channel. It is just mapped twice similar to how 4.1 and 4.3 WNBC have identical programming.
So then, if they are just duplicated, why does 14.1 appear in HD while 46.1 is SD?

Also, I assume WNBC is duplicating their signal for the benefit of anyone that might not have rescanned. Why would WNET launch two new channels from the same city with the same programming?

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Hi.

This is my First Post.

I live in New York City. 4th floor/8 floor Hi-Rise building on the upper West side (90's).
Just recently switch from using an old Prism analog TV to a new HD 32” Sharp T.V. For current service, I connect my cable receiver using HDMI cable to TV.

I also have a Android Streaming Box I use occasionally to stream free TV shows from the 80's and 90's.
Looking to cut the cord on my cable box and get OTA local TV channels.
Mainly interested in local News channels. For Entertainment, I will continue to stream with my Android Shield Box. Could subscribe to a paid streaming service, but just want to explore what OTA channels are available to me.

My Question is what would you members recommend for a indoor OTH HD antenna given my living environment (Hi-Rise apartment)?


Right now doing a channel scan with no antenna I get no TV channels.
Willing to spend: $40.00 or under.

Thanks
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Find a store that allows returns and buy something that works for your furnishings. If you were able to use what are called rabbit ear antennas you might give that a try first. If your TV is close to a window you might try the flat antennas that can be placed on an outside wall or window.


Your situation will dictate what works for you. You never mentioned some very important info such as do you have a location for the antenna that faces towards the ESB and WTC?
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Are there any towns on Long Island that are anywhere near 200 ft elevation? I have only been to LI a couple times and I remember it being very flat. I live in NJ (10 miles due west of NYC) and I can pick up WLNY reasonably well with a small outdoor antenna. I'm close to 500 feet in elevation.
I surmise that the majority of OTA viewers on Long Island have their antennas pointed towards New York City. That's a problem for picking up WLNY, whose stick would be "behind" their antenna.
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Are there any towns on Long Island that are anywhere near 200 ft elevation? I have only been to LI a couple times and I remember it being very flat. I live in NJ (10 miles due west of NYC) and I can pick up WLNY reasonably well with a small outdoor antenna. I'm close to 500 feet in elevation.
WLIW's antenna is 254' Above Ground Level - and the station will be moving transmission to 1WTC.


WLNY's antenna is 620' Above Ground Level.
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Hi.

This is my First Post.

I live in New York City. 4th floor/8 floor Hi-Rise building on the upper West side (90's).
Just recently switch from using an old Prism analog TV to a new HD 32” Sharp T.V. For current service, I connect my cable receiver using HDMI cable to TV.

I also have a Android Streaming Box I use occasionally to stream free TV shows from the 80's and 90's.
Looking to cut the cord on my cable box and get OTA local TV channels.
Mainly interested in local News channels. For Entertainment, I will continue to stream with my Android Shield Box. Could subscribe to a paid streaming service, but just want to explore what OTA channels are available to me.

My Question is what would you members recommend for a indoor OTH HD antenna given my living environment (Hi-Rise apartment)?


Right now doing a channel scan with no antenna I get no TV channels.
Willing to spend: $40.00 or under.

Thanks
TC.
I agree with LenL , Either go to a local BestBuy type store, or order on Amazon, something within your budget that is returnable ... Hook it up to the TV, try to get it near a window and/or as high as possible and do a scan ...
For local news, you should be able to get all or at least some of of the Channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 & 33 (2.1, 4.1, 5.1 etc ..) "longer" rabbit ears will generally help channels 3, 7, 11, 13 & 33 ... vs more compact antennas..
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Hi.

This is my First Post.

I live in New York City. 4th floor/8 floor Hi-Rise building on the upper West side (90's).
Just recently switch from using an old Prism analog TV to a new HD 32” Sharp T.V. For current service, I connect my cable receiver using HDMI cable to TV.

I also have a Android Streaming Box I use occasionally to stream free TV shows from the 80's and 90's.
Looking to cut the cord on my cable box and get OTA local TV channels.
Mainly interested in local News channels. For Entertainment, I will continue to stream with my Android Shield Box. Could subscribe to a paid streaming service, but just want to explore what OTA channels are available to me.

My Question is what would you members recommend for a indoor OTH HD antenna given my living environment (Hi-Rise apartment)?


Right now doing a channel scan with no antenna I get no TV channels.
Willing to spend: $40.00 or under.

Thanks
TC.
If you're going to buy rabbit ears, make sure that it also has the ability to receive UHF channels -
not all do.

While some VHF rabbit ear antennas will be able to receive some UHF channels, it is still best
to get an antenna that is specifically designed to also receive UHf.

Here, in the NY Metro Area, CBS, NBC, Fox, Ion and the major Spanish language stations
all broadcast on the UHF band.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks all for the quick reply.

I'll take your advice, and look for some long rabbit ears this weekend at Best Buy.
Must receive UHF channels.

TV about 12ft from window. Don't have much wiggle room be creative with the antenna on window sil. Maybe putting it on a high stand is a option.
Will look for antenna having a long cord or buy a coax male/female cable extension to reach the window.

In terms of ESB, WTC distance.
ESB is Southwest from window approx 5 miles from my apartment.
WTC is Southwest. About 7 miles.

Will report back after buying & testing TV with antenna.

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Thanks all for the quick reply.

I'll take your advice, and look for some long rabbit ears this weekend at Best Buy.
Must receive UHF channels.

TV about 12ft from window. Don't have much wiggle room be creative with the antenna on window sil. Maybe putting it on a high stand is a option.
Will look for antenna having a long cord or buy a coax male/female cable extension to reach the window.

In terms of ESB, WTC distance.
ESB is Southwest from window approx 5 miles from my apartment.
WTC is Southwest. About 7 miles.

Will report back after buying & testing TV with antenna.

TC.
I bought this one at Home Depot - around $35.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Winegard...D30H/203972856

Works beautifully for me on deep window sill - the antenna is my Avatar.

Was used by another Forum member with success.

Check out dimensions on the Home Depot or the Winegard website.

Highly recommended - at least in my location.
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14.1 and 46.1 are still separate streams. 46.1 is 480i and 14.1 is 1080i.
You're right. I stand corrected.
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Thanks all for the quick reply.

I'll take your advice, and look for some long rabbit ears this weekend at Best Buy.
Must receive UHF channels.

TV about 12ft from window. Don't have much wiggle room be creative with the antenna on window sil. Maybe putting it on a high stand is a option.
Will look for antenna having a long cord or buy a coax male/female cable extension to reach the window.

In terms of ESB, WTC distance.
ESB is Southwest from window approx 5 miles from my apartment.
WTC is Southwest. About 7 miles.

Will report back after buying & testing TV with antenna.

TC.
Best case scenario is that your window faces to the southwest toward the transmitters with no large obstruction in the way (like a huge building across the street in your LOS). If that is the case, a small antenna similar to SnellKrell's should do the trick.
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I bought this one at Home Depot - around $35.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Winegard...D30H/203972856

Works beautifully for me on deep window sill - the antenna is my Avatar.

Was used by another Forum member with success.

Check out dimensions on the Home Depot or the Winegard website.

Highly recommended - at least in my location.
I too have that model and can pickup (UWS near 72nd & CPW, 5th floor south facing, no line of sight to transmitters) 2, 4, 5, 7, 9 and 11 easily (plus the Spanish language channels). Only 13 is missing since they changed their transmitter location or reduced power (I forget which) within the last couple of months.

I previously had the HD Frequency Cable Cutter Indoor/Outdoor HD Digital TV Antenna (CC-17) which worked perfectly at my location until the move to WTC transmitters.
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I guess one of the admins at rabbitears is also a member of this board, so this might be of interest...

I just relocated my antenna and I noticed that WEDW is broadcasting CPTV 49.1 and 49.3 in both SD (480i), 43.1 (720p) and 43.2, and added WTXX Azteca America in Spanish on 34.1 (720p) and 34.2 / 34.3 (infomercials). The change most likely happened in December.
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I guess one of the admins at rabbitears is also a member of this board, so this might be of interest...

I just relocated my antenna and I noticed that WEDW is broadcasting CPTV 49.1 and 49.3 in both SD (480i), 43.1 (720p) and 43.2, and added WTXX Azteca America in Spanish on 34.1 (720p) and 34.2 / 34.3 (infomercials). The change most likely happened in December.
That change happened around the end of October. I posted about it on the SatelliteGuys forums and Trip responded, here is the link:

https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/thr...w-wzme.378964/
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Thanks for the heads-up. I guess it is so cumbersome that not even Trip has clear info about the WEDW signal right now.

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That change happened around the end of October. I posted about it on the SatelliteGuys forums and Trip responded,
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It keeps changing, and I really want to get some hard data on it (TSReader) before doing an update, but I haven't been able to nail it down yet. (And I've been busy outside of RabbitEars so I haven't been able to spend too much time chasing it down, either...)



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It keeps changing, and I really want to get some hard data on it (TSReader) before doing an update, but I haven't been able to nail it down yet. (And I've been busy outside of RabbitEars so I haven't been able to spend too much time chasing it down, either...)



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I emailed you the TSReader dump for WEDW (I can't attach .htm files on AVS Forum). Let me know if you need data for any other Long Island/NYC stations, I'd be happy to help!
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Thanks! Made some updates.

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Has anyone used Locast lately? It now seems that you are required to make a donation to be able to watch anything. If that's the case then I don't think they can use the term "donation" any longer. More like a subscription fee now. Back to my Slingbox I guess...
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