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post #19951 of 20524 Old 04-29-2019, 11:12 AM
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Under RabbitEars "Digital TV Market Listings" it shows that WNYW will move
to Channel 27.

It's all clearly shown there.
Ok. I was confused because your previous post said that WNET is the only channel changing this year.
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Ok. I was confused because your previous post said that WNET is the only channel changing this year.
No, WNET is the only channel that will change [B]later[B]than Phase 4, by August 2, 2019.
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I'm surprised that CBS hasn't put WLNY on a subchannel of WCBS.
And vice-versa. I miss WCBS's Long Island repeater (same site as WLNY) for times when WCBS & WFSB cancel each other out in my neck of the woods.
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Unhappy Reception Issues since January 2019

Hi,


Any suggestions as to why I can no longer view any 33.xx channels (physical channel 3)? My disabled mother likes to watch 33.1 (MeTV), but I have been unable to tune any stations 33.xx since January 2019. The MeTV website cited that the solar flare activity season (usually ~ Feb to end of March?) was the cause, but I still cannot tune these stations. I am located in Northern Bergen county NJ.



My equipment is:
Channel Master 2V antenna (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007RH5GZI/) on a 5 foot mast about 35 feet high.
All RG6 cable
1 PCT-MA2-4PN 4 port distribution amplifier (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EKCGT8/)
1 ViewTV AT-263 ATSC Digital TV Converter Box (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F5QK562/) connected to an old Westinghouse 42 inch 1080p LCD TV Monitor (no built-in tuners)
1 Sony KDL32W600D 32-Inch HD Smart TV (using built-in tuner)
1 Samsung PF51F8500 51 inch Smart Hub Plasma TV (using built-in tuner)


I receive channels 7, 11, and 13 crisp and clean, and 33.xx along with all of those channels, except 13 are broadcast from the same area in Manhattan, where my antenna is generally pointing (186 degrees).


I have had no issues for 3 years, and then all of a sudden this happens. Might I need an LTE filter? Dont know if any major cell towers have been added, and I dont want to start just throwing $ and hoping it sticks.


Please Help.
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Your antenna is not low-VHF capable. You will need to replace it with a low-VHF capable antenna in order to receive WJLP.


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Interesting that the Live Bandscan tuner in Richmond Hill (Queens)
began having S/N problems with this station in January, and then in
February, no reception. This was after the location's antenna was
changed which vastly improved Channel 3's reception.

In my home, the East 90s in Manhattan, there have been no problems
and/or changes in my receiving the station.
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Your antenna is not low-VHF capable. You will need to replace it with a low-VHF capable antenna in order to receive WJLP.


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He said he has had no issues for 3 years and then all of a sudden there are issues. I doubt it's a problem with his antenna.

I have no problem with WJLP from Essex County, NJ aside from some general pixelation likely due to signal quality.
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He said he has had no issues for 3 years and then all of a sudden there are issues. I doubt it's a problem with his antenna.
If you use scotch tape to hold a chandelier to your ceiling and someone gets snagged on it and pulls it down, that doesn't change the fact that you were using the wrong tool for the job from the beginning. Had it been properly secured in the first place, the issue wouldn't have happened.

So here, even if the loss of reception wasn't strictly caused by the antenna, which we've not actually established since it's entirely possible that a connection corroded, or part of the antenna was damaged, etc., using the wrong antenna just makes it more likely that issues will present themselves, especially on low-VHF which is notorious for horrendous reception problems.

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Hi,


Any suggestions as to why I can no longer view any 33.xx channels (physical channel 3)? My disabled mother likes to watch 33.1 (MeTV), but I have been unable to tune any stations 33.xx since January 2019. The MeTV website cited that the solar flare activity season (usually ~ Feb to end of March?) was the cause, but I still cannot tune these stations. I am located in Northern Bergen county NJ.



My equipment is:
Channel Master 2V antenna (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007RH5GZI/) on a 5 foot mast about 35 feet high.
All RG6 cable
1 PCT-MA2-4PN 4 port distribution amplifier (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EKCGT8/)
1 ViewTV AT-263 ATSC Digital TV Converter Box (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F5QK562/) connected to an old Westinghouse 42 inch 1080p LCD TV Monitor (no built-in tuners)
1 Sony KDL32W600D 32-Inch HD Smart TV (using built-in tuner)
1 Samsung PF51F8500 51 inch Smart Hub Plasma TV (using built-in tuner)


I receive channels 7, 11, and 13 crisp and clean, and 33.xx along with all of those channels, except 13 are broadcast from the same area in Manhattan, where my antenna is generally pointing (186 degrees).


I have had no issues for 3 years, and then all of a sudden this happens. Might I need an LTE filter? Dont know if any major cell towers have been added, and I dont want to start just throwing $ and hoping it sticks.


Please Help.
What sort of signal strength /quality were you getting Pre-January?
If it was clearly watchable but very low strength (25%) , then a very minor change by JLP could have pushed it over the edge ... an LTE filter would probably not help, more likley to help UHF signals than VHF low .. ( a "High Pass" filter , if actually needed, would be a better fit for RF 2-5 interference)..
I also noticed a recent dropout of WJLP also, in Southwestern Nassau, in a place with a VHF-Hi/UHF attic antenna that used to get it fairly clearly but with low sig strength....

*** Does anyone know when WJLP is actually moving to 1WTC? Is it happening concurrently as part of the "By Aug 3 Repack" .. or some other time?
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Hi,


Any suggestions as to why I can no longer view any 33.xx channels (physical channel 3)? My disabled mother likes to watch 33.1 (MeTV), but I have been unable to tune any stations 33.xx since January 2019. The MeTV website cited that the solar flare activity season (usually ~ Feb to end of March?) was the cause, but I still cannot tune these stations. I am located in Northern Bergen county NJ.



My equipment is:
Channel Master 2V antenna (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007RH5GZI/) on a 5 foot mast about 35 feet high.
All RG6 cable
1 PCT-MA2-4PN 4 port distribution amplifier (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EKCGT8/)
1 ViewTV AT-263 ATSC Digital TV Converter Box (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F5QK562/) connected to an old Westinghouse 42 inch 1080p LCD TV Monitor (no built-in tuners)
1 Sony KDL32W600D 32-Inch HD Smart TV (using built-in tuner)
1 Samsung PF51F8500 51 inch Smart Hub Plasma TV (using built-in tuner)


I receive channels 7, 11, and 13 crisp and clean, and 33.xx along with all of those channels, except 13 are broadcast from the same area in Manhattan, where my antenna is generally pointing (186 degrees).


I have had no issues for 3 years, and then all of a sudden this happens. Might I need an LTE filter? Dont know if any major cell towers have been added, and I dont want to start just throwing $ and hoping it sticks.


Please Help.
I’m using a Antennas Direct clean stream 2 max , 27 miles west of NYC with no problem receiving 33.1 + . The only VFH channel I have issues with is 11.1 from late morning to late evening . The antenna I’m using is rated for high vhf but the 33.1 + stations normally come in fine. Figure that 33 is transmitting from 4 Times Square on low vhf and 11 from the Empire State Building, high vhf and at times I do not receive any signal at all on this station. The answer is just a larger VHF antenna with greater gain.
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Your antenna is not low-VHF capable. You will need to replace it with a low-VHF capable antenna in order to receive WJLP.


- Trip
Beat me to it. I had a RS-VU120 which dated from the pre transition days, and it had the huge elements needed for channel 2-4. I got RF 3 from NYC pretty well, but when it came down, bent from birds, believe it or not, I replaced it with a CM4228, which is OK 7-13 but blind to channel 3.

Short answer, you'll need a big antenna with long elements for that kind of VHF - Lo

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Short answer, you'll need a big antenna with long elements for that kind of VHF - Lo
That is not necessarily true. I live in NJ and I have no trouble picking up WPLJ with this small antenna:

https://www.amazon.com/RCA-Compact-O...gateway&sr=8-3

A "big" antenna is only needed if the signal is very weak at this location. He is located in Bergen County, NJ so the signal should be pretty strong at his location.

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That is not necessarily true. I live in NJ and I have no trouble picking up WPLJ with this small antenna:

https://www.amazon.com/RCA-Compact-O...gateway&sr=8-3

A "big" antenna is only needed if the signal is very weak at this location. He is located in Bergen County, NJ so the signal should be pretty strong at his location.
Respectfully disagree. Whatever works, works, but WPLJ is an FM radio signal, on what TV folks would call VHF High, which is much easier to pick up than a video signal...the frequency of RF 3 is 60 mhz, PLJ is 95.5. The size of the element needed has to do with the wavelength...and the wavelength is a fact of physics. To get the antenna element to resonate on the desired frequency requires it be the correct length, be that a half inch antenna in your smartphone, or an 85 foot wire for shortwave radio signals. I don't have the math here now, but a 60 mhz antenna isn't the same as a 95.5 mhz antenna...if either works on the other it's just luck or very, very strong signals.

RF3 is a low power broadcaster, the station exists as an attempt to get on cable systems as "channel 3", which they didn't succeed in, as discussed at length elsewhere...you're gonna need old school rabbit ears, with the long antennas pulled all the way out, or better, a roof antenna.

Radio waves can be funny-and VHF Lo travels differently than VHF high, or UHF, which is why it should have not been used post transition......

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Respectfully disagree. Whatever works, works, but WPLJ is an FM radio signal, on what TV folks would call VHF High, which is much easier to pick up than a video signal...the frequency of RF 3 is 60 mhz, PLJ is 95.5. The size of the element needed has to do with the wavelength...and the wavelength is a fact of physics. To get the antenna element to resonate on the desired frequency requires it be the correct length, be that a half inch antenna in your smartphone, or an 85 foot wire for shortwave radio signals. I don't have the math here now, but a 60 mhz antenna isn't the same as a 95.5 mhz antenna...if either works on the other it's just luck or very, very strong signals.

RF3 is a low power broadcaster, the station exists as an attempt to get on cable systems as "channel 3", which they didn't succeed in, as discussed at length elsewhere...you're gonna need old school rabbit ears, with the long antennas pulled all the way out, or better, a roof antenna.

Radio waves can be funny-and VHF Lo travels differently than VHF high, or UHF, which is why it should have not been used post transition......
As i posted before I have a Antennas Direct clean steam 2 max with the basic single dipole for vhf high .I have no problem picking up 33.1 + on low vhf. When I tune to 11.1 high vhf it’s like is does not exist at this hour at 1pm. But I can pickup 11+earlier in the morning . I have a clear stream 5 vhf antenna Disconnected in my attic. When I a chance I’ll move to to roof and combine it with to clean stream 2 max and see what happens.
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Respectfully disagree. Whatever works, works, but WPLJ is an FM radio signal, on what TV folks would call VHF High, which is much easier to pick up than a video signal...the frequency of RF 3 is 60 mhz, PLJ is 95.5. The size of the element needed has to do with the wavelength...and the wavelength is a fact of physics. .
I'm going to ASSume the original poster was referring to WJLP RF3 , & mistakenly typed WPLJ ....

Speaking of WPLJ .... They are gone.. Joining 92.7 WLIR as Iconic NY FM Stations that dissapeared...
Frequency sold ( to a christian group), , 95.5 WPLJ signed on the air in 1971, May 31 2019 will be their final broadcast......
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I'm going to ASSume the original poster was referring to WJLP RF3 , & mistakenly typed WPLJ ....

Speaking of WPLJ .... They are gone.. Joining 92.7 WLIR as Iconic NY FM Stations that dissapeared...
Frequency sold ( to a christian group), , 95.5 WPLJ signed on the air in 1971, May 31 2019 will be their final broadcast......
Before WPLJ, 95.5 was WABC FM , one of the first FM Progressive rock stations along with WNEW 102.7 back in the late 60s in NYC.
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Before WPLJ, 95.5 was WABC FM , one of the first FM Progressive rock stations along with WNEW 102.7 back in the late 60s in NYC.
Continuing the off-topic thread - WPLJ = White Port with Lemon Juice, a doo wop song, originally by the Four Deuces.

That's how the station got it's call sign!
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I remember 99x also ktu disco92
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WLIR can heard on WLIR.fm via iheart or tune or there website. Wktu is still in the air at 103.5 or 104.3.


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Speaking of WPLJ .... They are gone.. Joining 92.7 WLIR as Iconic NY FM Stations that dissapeared...
Frequency sold ( to a christian group), , 95.5 WPLJ signed on the air in 1971, May 31 2019 will be their final broadcast......

Hopefully they will play "My Sweetheart" by Focus as their last song...
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WJLP just added a new channel, 33.6 News NJ. its running a feed from NewsNet that seems to be nothing about NJ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewsNet

http://yournewsnet.com/

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WJLP just added a new channel, 33.6 News NJ. its running a feed from NewsNet that seems to be nothing about NJ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewsNet

http://yournewsnet.com/
NewsNet does have slots for local inserts at :24 and :54 past the hour, if not used for local news by WJLP, there is a segment called Around America. NewsNet also has a brief local break at about :14 and :44 past the hour.
The staff is miniscule and the thought of going there for breaking news probably will leave many disappointed. WJLP however is affiliated with a local newspaper in NJ, and they do assemble decent newsbreaks that air a few times each weekday. Have not tuned in yet to see what they are doing on 33.6.
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got UHF OTA NYC channels 65 / 120 miles away in Bensalem, PA (next to Philadelphia)

FYI - As I posted in the other HDTV thread early Sunday morning I was able to get clearly WLNY-55 with my new Mohu Curve 50 indoor amplified antenna (with the amplifier not attached).

FCC.gov shows the antenna is almost 120 miles away in Long Island.

In the past with AntennasDirect ClearStream 2MAX antenna indoors I have picked up other NYC channels (like WWOR, WNYW) before at night (roughly 65 miles away (i.e. One World Trade)).

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- As I posted in the other HDTV thread early Sunday morning I was able to get clearly WLNY-55 with my new Mohu Curve 50 indoor amplified antenna (with the amplifier not attached).

Most likely weather inversion, ei tropospheric reception,I recvd wtnh abc affiliate from new haven the other night, won't last long though.
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Channel 8 of New Haven transmits on VHF channel 10. Their transmitter is on Madmere Mountain in Hamden, CT. You should have also seen WCTX-TV (MY) channel 59 of New Haven. They'll show as "59-1", but are really a subchannel of channel 8.
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Channel 8 of New Haven transmits on VHF channel 10. Their transmitter is on Madmere Mountain in Hamden, CT. You should have also seen WCTX-TV (MY) channel 59 of New Haven. They'll show as "59-1", but are really a subchannel of channel 8.
I use ad 91xg roof mounted 30' above street level, I get most nyc stations including vhf channels
I also have a winegard high vhf antenna that i never had to mount it.
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Quick question. Having trouble getting WNYW at the moment. I'm in Robbinsville, NJ about 45 miles out and no trouble with CBS, NBC and WOR. I didn't expect to get ABC but that's really a non-issue. Would the antenna not be pointed at WTC for Fox?
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Quick question. Having trouble getting WNYW at the moment. I'm in Robbinsville, NJ about 45 miles out and no trouble with CBS, NBC and WOR. I didn't expect to get ABC but that's really a non-issue. Would the antenna not be pointed at WTC for Fox?
WNYW does transmit from 1WTC.

The station's transmission is from the mast's Lower UHF Antenna. WNYW had originally contracted with
"those wonderful people from Durst" to use the Upper UHF Antenna, where WWOR, WCBS, WNBC and
other stations are located. Durst could not provide enough power for WNYW to use the Upper, so the
station was relegated to the Lower facility, albeit with greater power to compensate for the lower
elevation.

The current plan is for WNYW to finally move to the Upper Antenna come the Repack's Phase 4 -
August 2nd.

WNBC/WNJU have been given permission by the FCC to alternate using the Upper and the Lower
Antennas - this will allow for Durst to do work on the mast.

It's quite possible that WNBC/WNJU may choose to remain on the Lower Antenna, as that was
NBCUniversal's original intent.
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WNYW does transmit from 1WTC.

The station's transmission is from the mast's Lower UHF Antenna. WNYW had originally contracted with
"those wonderful people from Durst" to use the Upper UHF Antenna, where WWOR, WCBS, WNBC and
other stations are located. Durst could not provide enough power for WNYW to use the Upper, so the
station was relegated to the Lower facility, albeit with greater power to compensate for the lower
elevation.

The current plan is for WNYW to finally move to the Upper Antenna come the Repack's Phase 4 -
August 2nd.

WNBC/WNJU have been given permission by the FCC to alternate using the Upper and the Lower
Antennas - this will allow for Durst to do work on the mast.

It's quite possible that WNBC/WNJU may choose to remain on the Lower Antenna, as that was
NBCUniversal's original intent.
Thanks. I'll stay pointed where I am. Main goal is to get Giants games in the Fall. Damn Philly area! Guess we'll see by August.
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Thanks. I'll stay pointed where I am. Main goal is to get Giants games in the Fall. Damn Philly area! Guess we'll see by August.
You might have a problem receiving WNYW even after they sign-on with their new signal. LPTV station WPSJ-CD is scheduled to move to Philadelphia in August, and it will also be using RF channel 27. From what I can see from both stations' coverage maps, which one you get can go either way, depending on your local terrain. Worse, they might end up cancelling each other out where you are.
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