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WLIW's CP at 1WTC is only for RF 32. So they cannot move to 1WTC while they are still on RF 21, and unless they file an STA with an interference agreement with WPSG for early testing like WPXN and WNJU/WNBC did, they can't test the RF 32 signal before WPSG vacates that number in Philly on August 1st. Even if they did, that testing would be going on during off peak hours overnight and not during primetime.

It's the same with WEDW/WZME, the CP for their boosted signal and the DTS from Empire is only for RF 21, so that boost/move can't happen until WLIW also transitions.
So based on the announcement from WEDW/CPTV, the WLIW move is also happening because they cannot share RF 21 without interfering each other, am I right? I haven't read any announcements from WLIW so far.
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WLIW is switching at 1pm on August 1st as part of the massive coordinated simultaneous switchover that also involves stations in PA and Connecticut:
https://www.wliw.org/blog-post/channel-switch-over/

The low power station WXNY-LD that's currently on RF32 filed to go silent back in June until their displacement application to move to RF 23 is granted.

WEDW (and WZME) is switching over on August 2nd, they haven't given a specific time yet on their website. Hopefully by the time that happens WTXX-LD is ready to move to their own signal and WEDW will go back to HD. (WTXX-LD is moving to a tower north of Hartford on RF 29, but they can't do so until WUTF in Worcester moves to RF 19, so they have a STA to spectrum share with WEDW's half of the signal)
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WEDW (and WZME) is switching over on August 2nd, they haven't given a specific time yet on their website.
WEDW has 2 options for channel 21 - they can either broadcast from Stamford, or they can broadcast on their DTS from Trumbull and ESB. I have not seen any official word on what they will actually have built out by August 2nd.
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WEDW has 2 options for channel 21 - they can either broadcast from Stamford, or they can broadcast on their DTS from Trumbull and ESB. I have not seen any official word on what they will actually have built out by August 2nd.
https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...8393d&goBack=N

"Because DTS application was recently granted (on 6/12/19), station will have temporary facility completed in time to meet the 8/2/19 construction deadline. Design and construction of permanent DTS facility will commence post- 8/2/19 deadline."

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According to the latest transition plan progress report on 7/2, WEDW is going to constuct the DTS facility after the 8/2 deadline. They mention a temporary facility until then, but as of now there's no seperate STA filed for that. With a public broadcasting budget I doubt the temporary facility is going to be the CP at Stamford since the temporary facility will only be in use for a few months, and all the previous progress reports mentioned waiting for the DTS to be approved as a reason for not starting construction on that CP.

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According to the latest transition plan progress report on 7/2, WEDW is going to constuct the DTS facility after the 8/2 deadline. They mention a temporary facility until then, but as of now there's no seperate STA filed for that. With a public broadcasting budget I doubt the temporary facility is going to be the CP at Stamford since the temporary facility will only be in use for a few months, and all the previous progress reports mentioned waiting for the DTS to be approved as a reason for not starting construction on that CP.
Since they already have a tower in Trumbull, and Trumbull is one of the locations for the DTS, my assumption is that they would broadcast on channel 21 from Trumbull until the ESB site is built out. Unless they are going to use some other antenna on ESB temporarily until the permanent one is built.
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WLIW is switching at 1pm on August 1st as part of the massive coordinated simultaneous switchover that also involves stations in PA and Connecticut:
https://www.wliw.org/blog-post/channel-switch-over/
I was looking onto the WLIW site and haven't found any announcement.
Thanks for the link!
The press release indicates August 1st at 1pm, so at that afternoon there will be a massive frequency exchange in the NYC area that will be very interesting to witness. I wonder if WLIW will start broadcasting from 1WTC or will remain in LI. I sincerely hope for a transmitter move to 1WTC since I am afraid with this change I might lose WEDW until their permanent site is up and running.
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The only construction permits WLIW has for channel 32 are from 1WTC. Unless they file for a STA at the last minute, they cannot broadcast on RF 32 from the current tower on exit 48 of the expressway. (Plus they would likely need a new antenna and transmitter if the current one isn't capable of broadcasting on RF 32)

That's all a moot point though, according to the latest progress report filing the work for the RF32 signal at 1WTC is completed, so they have no technical reason to temporarily broadcast from their current site after the 8/2 deadline.

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Does any one have any insight as to what is going on with the signal for WNBC/WNJU (RF 36). For the past week I have not been able to get a stable signal in Jackson NJ. Signal strength is lower than all the other channels out of NY including WPIX low powered signal. My concern about this when RF 36 is taken over by WCBS in August, will I encounter the same issue. Currently WCBS signal strength is 85 to 95% while WNBC/WNJU RF 36 is running around 45 to 65% with pixelation. Also, at times I have completely lost the signal.

I'm over in Ocean Grove (Neptune/Asbury Park area), so not far from you. I have not noticed any change in the signal over the past several weeks. There are programs that I regularly record on WNBC, and I have been receiving them reliably.

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WNYW is scheduled to turn down their UHF 44 transmitter at 1 WTC this week and move over to it's backup transmitter in West Orange. It will return to 1 WTC after the repack on its new frequency.
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WNYW is scheduled to turn down their UHF 44 transmitter at 1 WTC this week and move over to it's backup transmitter in West Orange. It will return to 1 WTC after the repack on its new frequency.
Wonder why WNYW has found it necessary to go dark from 1WTC until the Repack date?

Other stations won't be following suit.

There goes my OTA reception for WNYW - have never been able to pick up signals from
West Orange!
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WNYW is scheduled to turn down their UHF 44 transmitter at 1 WTC this week and move over to it's backup transmitter in West Orange. It will return to 1 WTC after the repack on its new frequency.
Where did you see this information. I have not seen any information from WNYW about this. Really does not make any sense to me for them to do this since they would lose a lot of eyeballs which advertisers do not like.
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I'm over in Ocean Grove (Neptune/Asbury Park area), so not far from you. I have not noticed any change in the signal over the past several weeks. There are programs that I regularly record on WNBC, and I have been receiving them reliably.
Thanks for the info.


Since last Thursday, July 4th, the signal has been fine with me getting a signal strenght of 75 to 90%. What transpired the prior two weeks with signal issues on WNBC/WNJU, I have no idea. It was like a wall was in front of my antenna. Anyway, its back to normal for now since last Thursday. Also, hope that the repack of frequencies on August 1st goes smoothly.
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Looks like WNYW is already off the air. I just tuned in and no signal.
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Looks like WNYW is already off the air. I just tuned in and no signal.
No problem here in the East 90s in Manhattan - receiving the station.

If the station had turned off transmission from 1WTC, it would have switched to West Orange -
your location!!!!!
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Looks like WNYW is already off the air. I just tuned in and no signal.
No!


Still on the air from the WTC. I have normal signal strength in Jackson NJ from WNYW.
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Looks like WNYW is already off the air. I just tuned in and no signal.
Still receiving here but the signal is weak. See https://www.rabbitears.info/tvdx/sig...71/tuner1/WNYW
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Still on the air from the WTC. I have normal signal strength in Jackson NJ from WNYW.
It's back on now. It was definitely off the air when I checked just before 3pm.
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It's back on now. It was definitely off the air when I checked just before 3pm.
No!

WNYW was not off the air.

If you look at darkegg's post, which included the Live Bandscan graphic,
it clearly shows that the signal was reduced, not off the air!
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No!

WNYW was not off the air.

If you look at darkegg's post, which included the Live Bandscan graphic,
it clearly shows that the signal was reduced, not off the air!
Ok, relax. All I can tell you is at 2:55pm I could not receive them at all. But right now at 3:44pm they are back to 100% signal from my location in NJ. No reduced signal from my location.
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Ok, relax. All I can tell you is at 2:55pm I could not receive them at all. But right now at 3:44pm they are back to 100% signal from my location in NJ. No reduced signal from my location.
I am relaxed! I am also knowledgeable!

The station's signal was attenuated.

Your signal was lost.
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I am relaxed! I am also knowledgeable!

The station's signal was attenuated.

Your signal was lost.
By the way, to answer your other question. Even though I'm located in West Orange, my antenna is pointed East towards NYC. The back up transmitter is located right up the street from me, but it's to the Southwest of me, so I would not have been able to pick it up with this antenna configuration.
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Where did you see this information. I have not seen any information from WNYW about this. Really does not make any sense to me for them to do this since they would lose a lot of eyeballs which advertisers do not like.
If they do it, it's cause they have to in order to do whatever they need to do for the repack. Most viewers are via Cable, Satellite, Streaming App, OTT, etc. Sure they may lose some viewers for 3 weeks but the temp change is unavoidable whether it makes sense to you or not.
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I just want to verify that 13.1 going to RF 12 is still phase 9 and scheduled around May of 2020?
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I just want to verify that 13.1 going to RF 12 is still phase 9 and scheduled around May of 2020?
Yes!
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Lost most of networks late in the eve, early morning, try a rescan to get em back, nada, looks like they completely offline, not on another frequency like testing other rf channel what gives?
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Lost most of networks late in the eve, early morning, try a rescan to get em back, nada, looks like they completely offline, not on another frequency like testing other rf channel what gives?

I lost WNBC last evening during prime time. Was back on this morning but lower signal strength than usual. All other stations were fine.
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I lost WNBC last evening during prime time. Was back on this morning but lower signal strength than usual. All other stations were fine.
WNJU/WNBC was actually broadcasting on RF Ch. 35 last night from around 12:10AM to 1:10AM. So, if you really need to watch something, try rescanning or manually tuning into the new RF Ch. I haven't seen any lowering of signal strength, but then I might not be seeing it because my signal is too strong here.

WCBS was also offline last night from around 1:15AM to 3:00AM, but obviously it couldn't broadcast from RF Ch. 36 while WNJU was using it.
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WNJU/WNBC was actually broadcasting on RF Ch. 35 last night from around 12:10AM to 1:10AM. So, if you really need to watch something, try rescanning or manually tuning into the new RF Ch. I haven't seen any lowering of signal strength, but then I might not be seeing it because my signal is too strong here.

WCBS was also offline last night from around 1:15AM to 3:00AM, but obviously it couldn't broadcast from RF Ch. 36 while WNJU was using it.
I, also received Channel 35 last night/morning at the times you mentioned.

I received NBC/Cozi and Telemundo/TeleXitos.

When I checked the PSIP information, I was surprised to learn that I wasn't
receiving test transmissions from 1WTC, I was receiving NBC/Telemundo, WVIT
from New Britain, CT with an extraordinarily strong signal!
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Well this is a new one. I just did a re-scan of my TV a few minutes ago. WNJN 50.1 and 50.2 are showing up, which is odd since I never usually receive this station. What makes it even stranger is that it is showing up as RF 35. I'm getting about 40% signal strength. WNJN is supposed to be on RF 8, and their transmitter is about 20 miles southwest of me, but my antenna is pointing east. Not sure what is going on here.
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