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WNJN 50.1 and 50.2 are showing up, which is odd since I never usually receive this station. What makes it even stranger is that it is showing up as RF 35. I'm getting about 40% signal strength. WNJN is supposed to be on RF 8, and their transmitter is about 20 miles southwest of me, but my antenna is pointing east. Not sure what is going on here.
You're picking up their Sussex translator W35DK-D.
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I receive wtnh ch10 from newhaven ct almost nightly during this mini heatwave, sometimes wvit if the signal inversion is strong enough
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You're picking up their Sussex translator W35DK-D.
Wow. That's pretty amazing given that Sussex is about 50 miles away from me and my antenna is pointed in the exact opposite direction.
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It's a side effect of summer heatwaves, randomly picking up distant signals, including low power signals like translators.

My record during the analog era was in the mid-90s on Long Island where one evening I randomly picked up WEDU from Tampa on channel 3. Usually I got snowy reception of WFSB on 3 and occasionally I got KYW, but that evening I was flipping channels and Lamb Chop's play-a-long was on and it stayed long enough to see the station id during the promo break. The morning after the 2003 blackout when most of the NYC stations were still off the air I was picking up WJHL from the tri-cities area on channel 11.

I've since moved to the Poconos and my digital record here is a station from North Carolina, but on analog in the summer of 2004 I picked up WHDH from Boston overriding WABC for several afternoons during a heatwave.
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best DX

I enjoyed seeing analog DX back in the day. Located north of NYC, had a Radio Shack VU120 on the roof. NYC had 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13. We'd often get 3 from Philly, but one day got 3, 6, 8 and 10 as well. I was amazed to see the full set of philly stations that one evening.
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Great DX conditions last night. Out here in Suffolk County (Long Island) I was able to lock WPIX and get a signal of WNET — with an indoor UHF antenna!
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Also, I noticed something interesting last night — when I received WNET (around midnight), the PSIP for WNET, WNDT-CD, and WMBQ-CD showed up, along with RF channels 12-3, 12-5, and 12-7 (see the images attached). I couldn’t tell if anything was broadcasting on those 12-x channels, because the signal from WNET was too choppy and I wasn’t sure if it was mixing in. Does anyone know what could be broadcasting on RF channel 12?
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I, also received Channel 35 last night/morning at the times you mentioned.

I received NBC/Cozi and Telemundo/TeleXitos.

When I checked the PSIP information, I was surprised to learn that I wasn't
receiving test transmissions from 1WTC, I was receiving NBC/Telemundo, WVIT
from New Britain, CT with an extraordinarily strong signal!
WVIT-TV transmits from Rattlesnake Mountain in Farmington, CT, close to US Route 6 and west of I-84. They've been on channel 35 since at least the 2009 transition. The slightly taller tower next to them carries the following:

WCCT-TV (CW) channel 20 Waterbury
WEDH-TV (PBS) channel 24 Hartford
WTIC-TV (FOX) channel 61 Hartford
The WTIC-TV tower is also home to WRCH-FM (A/C) 100.5, licensed to New Britain.


WVIT-TV, as you may have noticed, is also an NBC O&O station. For some reason, they identify their Telemundo and Telexitos stations as "19-1" and "19-2", respectively.
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Currently, WPXU-LD is transmitting on Chanel 12 from the Bloomberg Tower
in Manhattan.
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Currently, WPXU-LD is transmitting on Chanel 12 from the Bloomberg Tower
in Manhattan.
Rabbitears only shows WPXU-LD having one subchannel: Daystar on display channel 12-1 (physical channel 12-3). Are those two other subchannels of RF channel 12 I received (physical channels 12-5 and 12-7) not in the Rabbitears database?
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Quite possibly. I've not gotten an update on WPXU-LD in some time.


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WVIT-TV, as you may have noticed, is also an NBC O&O station. For some reason, they identify their Telemundo and Telexitos stations as "19-1" and "19-2", respectively.
That's because it's their sister Telemundo station 19-x WRDM-CD that's spectrum sharing with them. They had to change from virtual 50 to virutal 19 to prevent a conflict with WVVH because WVIT's signal overlaps WVVH's. (Picking Virtual 19 also conveniently places them next to the local Univision station)

WNDT-CD had to do a similar thing when they started sharing on WNET's signal to prevent conflicts with WPHL and some other nearby low power stations on virtual 17 like WNMF-LD. In that case they ended up picking virtual 14.

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Right! The former low-power channel 50 analog station. I think it was W13BF channel 13 at one time. I used to get a VERY faint signal of the old channel 13 in New Britain's south end. Only on a warm and humid summer night would WNET-TV (PBS) channel 13 ever pop in though.
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WLNY is running a scroll this evening indicating that they will be changing to their new RF assignment on July 24th at 1pm.
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Decades network will be returning in Q3.

https://deadline.com/2019/07/fox-tel...rk-1202644017/

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Well, the Phase 4 transition is not going as smoothly as many had hoped.

The latest problems have been - WLIW being told by Durst that there wasn't
enough power to have this station transmit from the Upper UHF Antenna on
1WTC. The station will now have to use the Lower UHF Antenna.

Next, it's been reported that WNYW sill shutting down transmission from 1WTC
and fire up its West Orange, NJ AUX facility to allow Durst to work on its
new frequency and position on the mast. Supposedly, this work will be done
before the magic 8/1-8/2 Repack date.

Now, another shoe has dropped. WCBS has filed with the Commission to
allow it to use its AUX transmission site on the Lower UHF Antenna as of
8/1 - for up to 6 weeks.

This will allow Durst to adjust and modify the Upper UHF Antenna's
Combiner. I had naively thought that Durst would have done this
work before 8/1.

By the way, the WCBS AUX Antenna is currently authorized to transmit
241 kW. WCBS has requested that it be permitted to increase this power
to 321 kW. This compares to the station's Upper Antenna's 548 kW for
Channel 36!

I shudder to think what's next from Durst??????
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Thanks for the great reporting! It appears that this is being woefully mismanaged! Of course they will all give themselves hefty performance bonuses for the great job they did!


1WTC OTA operations have been a poorly managed since they did all the great publicity about how wonderful the equipment was and so state of the art and all the super capacity. It was all malarky! That's a scientific term that needs to be used more for 1WTC!
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As of 12pm today it looks like WNYW is back to low power. I'm only getting a 13db signal from them (unwatchable) from NJ.
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Thanks for the great reporting! It appears that this is being woefully mismanaged! Of course they will all give themselves hefty performance bonuses for the great job they did!


1WTC OTA operations have been a poorly managed since they did all the great publicity about how wonderful the equipment was and so state of the art and all the super capacity. It was all malarky! That's a scientific term that needs to be used more for 1WTC!
Thanks.

It's both amazing disheartening the way in which Durst has been able to get away
with gross ineptitude!

I've posted this before, but it's worth remembering this claim -

"The facility was designed with state-of-the-art equipment and also has the infrastructure for future
broadcasting technological advancements."

John Lyons
Assistant Vice President and Director of Broadcast Communications of the The Durst Organization
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On Ch 50.2, this is what they are showing (see attached image). W35DK moving to new frequency on Aug 1st. Of course, they have to show this text overlay for the whole program, making the actual show unwatchable. They are not showing the overlay on Ch 50.1.
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The NHK World feed isn't really friendly to the reporting requirements, they don't have local optouts like other networks do to allow the full screen messaging. With the main NJTV channel they can just run the required full screen promo during breaks.
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Looks like WLIW was broadcasting from 1WTC last night from 1AM-3AM. I'm not sure if it stopped broadcasting from Mannetto Hills during that time.

WNJU is currently broadcasting on RF 35 and RF 36 simultaneously, although channel information is missing on RF 35:

Code:
ch=auto:36 lock=8vsb ss=100 snq=100 seq=100 bps=14245888 pps=0
1: 4.3 WNBC
2: 4.4 COZI-TV
3: 47.1 WNJU-HD
4: 47.2 TeleX
5: 4.1 WNBC
6: 4.2 COZI-TV
tsid=0x07D5

ch=auto:35 lock=8vsb ss=100 snq=100 seq=100 bps=13090816 pps=0
1: 0
2: 0
3: 0
4: 0
tsid=0x07D5
Also, WNYE is back for me with full power. It wasn't a problem on my end, as I thought.
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"Because DTS application was recently granted (on 6/12/19), station will have temporary facility completed in time to meet the 8/2/19 construction deadline. Design and construction of permanent DTS facility will commence post- 8/2/19 deadline."
Some newer information: WEDW has requested
  • that the construction permit for the DTS be extended to 01/29/2020
  • Special Temporary Authority to operate on its post-repack channel (21) using an interim facility at its existing tower in Trumbull
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Some newer information: WEDW has requested
  • that the construction permit for the DTS be extended to 01/29/2020
  • Special Temporary Authority to operate on its post-repack channel (21) using an interim facility at its existing tower in Trumbull
Still not sure where their post- repack transmitter location is gonna be located.
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It says it right there in the logger-a's post. The interim STA facility for RF 21 is at their current Trumbull tower where RF 49 comes from.

The final RF 21 antenna at Trumbull will be where the current RF 49 antenna is, so the RF 21 STA they filed for is for a temporary antenna lower on the Trumbull tower with pretty much the same pattern and coverage area as the current RF 49 signal. Basically if you can't get WEDW on RF 49 now, don't expect to get it on RF 21 until they finish the build out of the final DTS facilities at Trumbull and the Empire State Building.


BTW, for those wondering why it's taking so long, blame WJLP's owners. Their bogus objection delayed the grant of the DTS facility and with all the busy tower crews, they can't get it done in the 51 days they had between the time the DTS was granted on 6/12 and the 8/2 Phase 4 deadline.

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i can receive wedw now, wanted to know if they will be moving to wtc, as for wliw i use to be on cliff, now i dont get it any longer, they have good hd picture, unlike wedw that has 6 subs plus their main channel is 480i
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That's because in addition to spectrum sharing with WZME, WEDW is now sharing their half of the signal with 34-x WTXX-LD, once WTXX-LD is able to go back to its own signal CPTV will be HD again. (Basically WTXX-LD is moving to RF 29 on a tower closer to Hartford, but it can't do so until WUTF in Worcester moves to RF 19, so it has a STA to spectrum share with WEDW's half of the signal)

WEDW isn't moving to 1WTC. The DTS facility is for two sites, their current site at Trumbull and a secondary site at the Empire State Building. If you already get the channel 49 signal from Trumbull you're good to go. The Trumbull site is getting a boost in coverage with a non-directional pattern and will reach the bulk of southwestern Connecticut and Suffolk county. The secondary Empire State Building site is mainly for the 5 boroughs, Nassau, Westchester and Rockland counties and Northeastern NJ.


The other CP for a site in Stamford is not getting built. That's the site they would have used if their DTS application was denied. That site was also a major improvement over the Trumbull signal, although it wouldn't have reached NJ, Staten Island, Rockland county and southern LI that good.


WLIW on the otherhand is moving to 1WTC, and while it will give them greater coverage in NYC and the surrounding area, it will come at the expense of central and eastern Suffolk county and some hilly places in northwestern Suffok and northeastern Nassau county. (Even the area in the shadow of WLIW's current tower is in the red on the propogation maps)

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I wonder what will happen to WLIW’s tower in Plainview. I drive by it often and it will be strange to have nothing broadcasting from it after the repack!
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Quite possibly. I've not gotten an update on WPXU-LD in some time.


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I receive WPXU at my location and there is only one subchannel: 12-1 with HD (1080i, I think)
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I wonder what will happen to WLIW’s tower in Plainview. I drive by it often and it will be strange to have nothing broadcasting from it after the repack!
Don't despair.

WLIW plans to use the Plainview tower as one of its two AUX backup
transmission points.
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