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Quite possibly. I've not gotten an update on WPXU-LD in some time.


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I receive WPXU at my location and there is only one subchannel: 12-1 with HD (1080i, I think)
Interesting. So, I wonder what the three subchannels on RF 12 I received were — I know WNET has a CP to test on 12 but they aren’t moving until Phase 9.
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If the conditions were right, it could have been WNAC from Providence.
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Totally lost 5.1 WNYW tonight

I'm in central NJ. I noticed a recording failing on my MythTV system and discovered that I all but completely lost 5.1 WNYW tonight. Here's what I would usually get from a channel scan:

Code:
SCANNING: 653000000 (us-bcast:44)
LOCK: 8vsb (ss=100 snq=100 seq=100)
TSID: 0x0871
PROGRAM 3: 5.1 WNYW
PROGRAM 5: 5.2 Movies!
PROGRAM 6: 5.4 LIGHT
Tonight it can't get anything and here's what I get for a signal:
Code:
ch=8vsb:653000000 lock=8vsb ss=48 snq=42 seq=0 bps=19336928 pps=0
That's a signal strength of 48% and most notable an error quality (that seq) of 0. If I point my antenna a bit farther north it improves a little but not enough to use. Anyone else seeing this? I also tried the tuner built into my TV and that can't get it either.

EDIT: Neglected to mention that I tried all the other networks and they're essentially flawless, so my antenna seems to be fine.

Thanks!
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They're broadcasting from their West Orange auxiliary facility while they finish the work at 1WTC. The West Orange signal is weaker and highly directional, so it doesn't cover central NJ that well:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....a&site=1&map=Y
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They're broadcasting from their West Orange auxiliary facility while they finish the work at 1WTC. The West Orange signal is weaker and highly directional, so it doesn't cover central NJ that well:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....a&site=1&map=Y
Ahhh...That would certainly explain it. I'm assuming that means it'll most likely be like this until the frequency move on 8/1(?). Thanks!

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BTW, for those wondering why it's taking so long, blame WJLP's owners. Their bogus objection delayed the grant of the DTS facility and with all the busy tower crews, they can't get it done in the 51 days they had between the time the DTS was granted on 6/12 and the 8/2 Phase 4 deadline.
So even though WEDW filed for a 6-month extension, I guess it won't necessarily take that long for the DTS to go on air. They are probably just buying extra time to be safe so everything can be completed.
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They're broadcasting from their West Orange auxiliary facility while they finish the work at 1WTC. The West Orange signal is weaker and highly directional, so it doesn't cover central NJ that well:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....a&site=1&map=Y
Is anyone able to confirm if this aux site is actually on the air? I live in West Orange, less than a mile from the transmitter, and I'm not picking anything up using an omnidirectional antenna.

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[QUOTE=tld;58300792]I'm in central NJ. I noticed a recording failing on my MythTV system and discovered that I all but completely lost 5.1 WNYW tonight. Here's what I would usually get from a channel scan:/QUOTE]

another channel 5 data point...

I live on the Eastside of Manhattan and also lost channel 5 last night. fwiw, my (5yr old) Mohu antenna is in a NW facing window.

Both last night and today, I rescanned and the result was the same. "No Signal". My attempt to manually tune and add channel 5 was a complete waste of time.

Hopefully, this will get resolved sooner rather than later!

Appreciate this forum, now at least I can stop wondering if the issue was on my end.
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I'm in central NJ. I noticed a recording failing on my MythTV system and discovered that I all but completely lost 5.1 WNYW tonight. Here's what I would usually get from a channel scan:/QUOTE]

another channel 5 data point...

I live on the Eastside of Manhattan and also lost channel 5 last night. fwiw, my (5yr old) Mohu antenna is in a NW facing window.

Both last night and today, I rescanned and the result was the same. "No Signal". My attempt to manually tune and add channel 5 was a complete waste of time.

Hopefully, this will get resolved sooner rather than later!

Appreciate this forum, now at least I can stop wondering if the issue was on my end.
Whether WNYW is now transmitting from West Orange, NJ or at lower power from 1WTC, this
will continue until 8/1 or 8/2. At that time, the station changes frequency to Channel 27 and
moves to the Upper UHF Antenna on 1WTC.
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Whether WNYW is now transmitting from West Orange, NJ or at lower power from 1WTC, this
will continue until 8/1 or 8/2. At that time, the station changes frequency to Channel 27 and
moves to the Upper UHF Antenna on 1WTC.
Is only 2 more weeks till august 1st so is not a real pain, I predict that changeover is
going to be a good thing, better reception, plus getting wliw is worth it.
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Is only 2 more weeks till august 1st so is not a real pain, I predict that changeover is
going to be a good thing, better reception, plus getting wliw is worth it.
From your mouth to Durst's ears!
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Whether WNYW is now transmitting from West Orange, NJ or at lower power from 1WTC, this
will continue until 8/1 or 8/2. At that time, the station changes frequency to Channel 27 and
moves to the Upper UHF Antenna on 1WTC.
They appear to be advertising that this will take place at 1:00 PM on 8/1:

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/rescan-your-tv-to-see-fox-5

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Is anyone able to confirm if this aux site is actually on the air? I live in West Orange, less than a mile from the transmitter, and I'm not picking anything up using an omnidirectional antenna.
If the auxiliary site is on the air, the TV signal from it may be so strong, that it might be overloading the tuning chip in your television or STB. This would be especially true if you are using an amplifier. I've heard that some people just put a paper clip in their TV's RF in to get signals that strong. Of course, you can wait two weeks until this repack phase is done.
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Well, "Those Wonderful People from Durst" have done it again.

WNYW has filed the following with the FCC -

"Previously WNYW and sister station WWOR were both granted construction permits to utilize the same broadband antenna (RFS PEP40E) at the One World Trade location; however, it has been determined that the combined power of these two stations along with the other stations sharing the antenna would exceed its power handling capability. Therefore, it is necessary to move WNYW to the other broadband antenna (RFS PEP96L) that is just below (24.4 meters) the currently authorized antenna."

Pleased realize that when WNYW was to move from ESB to 1WTC, the station was to
have used the Upper UHF Antenna (PEP40E), but Durst could not fulfill this obligation
due to a lack of power.

Therefore, WNYW on its move would have to transmit from the Lower UHF Antenna
(PEP96L) with the promise that upon the Repack, when WNYW would migrate to
Channel 27, it would use the originally intended Upper Antenna.

Once again, Durst has reneged on its contractual obligation.

Now, if that were not enough, WCBS has just informed the FCC that Durst will not
be able to complete the needed work on the Upper Antenna and its Combiner to
allow the station to transmit on its new frequency, Channel 36 on the announced
August 1st changeover date.

Instead, WCBS will transmit from its AUX on the Lower UHF Antenna until possibly
Labor Day.

As a business person, if I dealt with Durst, first, I would pay rent and second, I'd
sue!

What's next?

Durst = Lack of Power and Gross Ineptitude.

If Durst were an electric utility company, surely it would be Con Edison!

So much for the world's most advanced broadcast facility!
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Durst saw a unique market, and figured all they had to do was run power to the top, and collect free rents.

I doubt they envisioned "repacK"...I mean, how often historically did anyone mess with antennas ? You installed and that was it. Press the big red button, from a landlord's POV.

Here you have to coordinate many stations suddenly having to jigger all the parts, from transmitter to radiator. I would love to be a fly on the wall, however, listening to landlord masters of the universe arguing with TV station masters of the universe....

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Durst saw a unique market, and figured all they had to do was run power to the top, and collect free rents.

I doubt they envisioned "repacK"...I mean, how often historically did anyone mess with antennas ? You installed and that was it. Press the big red button, from a landlord's POV.

Here you have to coordinate many stations suddenly having to jigger all the parts, from transmitter to radiator. I would love to be a fly on the wall, however, listening to landlord masters of the universe arguing with TV station masters of the universe....
In New York, managers of broadcast facilities faced the loss of the North Tower,
they also dealt with the transition to digital.

Let's not forget the oastful claims made by Durst that the 1WTC facility was
designed to handle future technology.

They can't even professionally handle the Repack which had been known to
them for years!

UGH!
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Durst is milkin for all is worth.
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The folks at WPIX (11.1) and WABC (7.1) are laughing their butts off! Turns out they were 100% correct to NOT move to 1WTC!



It would have been better if they all stayed at the ESB and gave DURST the finger!


Gross incompetence!



Can't wait for the move to ATSC 3.0. What a disaster that is going to be!
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The folks at WPIX (11.1) and WABC (7.1) are laughing their butts off! Turns out they were 100% correct to NOT move to 1WTC!
What was the purpose of any networks moving back to 1 WTC in the first place? Were they going to see a cost savings? Otherwise why not just stay put at ESB.
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We know they were promised the latest and greatest broadcast technology. There was much hype over this. Whether they save any money or not I don't know.
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What was the purpose of any networks moving back to 1 WTC in the first place? Were they going to see a cost savings? Otherwise why not just stay put at ESB.
I know this may not be the case for everyone, but 1WTC provides better coverage than ESB. I can get a very stable signal from 1WTC stations with a small indoor antenna. ESB stations are either intermittent or non-existent with small indoor antennas.
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Westchester County, just north of NYC.
TV is a Samsung analog
Converter box is Digital Stream
http://www.ezdigitaltv.comDigital_ST...50_Manual.html
New remote is universal RCA RC003RWDE
I get my OTA on Channel 3, then used the old remote to control the converter box.

PROBLEM--The old remote wore out, doesn't do anything.This week I bought the universal remote listed above.

ISSUES:

1.The manual of the remote tells how to program it for various combos of TV +DVD, VCR, streaming, but nothing about a converter box. I don't use any of the other devices.

2.It's on my usual OTA station 3, on which I have only my channel 13 PBS station, none others. It was on 13 when the old remote died.
But the converter box manual does say I CAN use a universal remote.

3 I can get the menu using either the TV buttons or the remote button. I can adjust the picture and the volume, turn TV on and off, nothing else.. Arrow keys don't work, number keys don't work

4. So I can't scan stations to install them.

5. I get distorted pictures or snow on other stations, but not the pixelated screens you get when there's poor reception or the "No Signal." message..

6. Last task before old remote died was a volume adjustment, and the progress bar is still on my TV screen.

My conclusion--remote must be programmed to work with the converter box, even against its will ;-)

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They're broadcasting from their West Orange auxiliary facility while they finish the work at 1WTC. The West Orange signal is weaker and highly directional, so it doesn't cover central NJ that well:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....a&site=1&map=Y
Thanks for the info, was wondering why it vanished [zip 10003, 2nd floor above ground facing south with an antenna on the window]
Silly move by FOX since Aug 1st is almost 2 weeks away, wonder is ESB might have been a better choice ??
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Thanks for the info, was wondering why it vanished [zip 10003, 2nd floor above ground facing south with an antenna on the window]
Silly move by FOX since Aug 1st is almost 2 weeks away, wonder is ESB might have been a better choice ??
I'm sure this wasn't Fox's idea. Why would WNYW want to lose audience?

I'd bet anything that the reason that WNYW had to make the change was that Durst
could not accommodate the electrical power requirements of yet another station continuing
operation and at the same time testing new equipment, and/or modifying current components.

WNYW transmitting from ESB was never a choice.

A station can't blithely say there's a transmission facility, I think I'll use it.

Fox no longer rents space at ESB to house tons of transmission equipment and it no
longer rents an antenna on the building.

This unfortunate situation has been precipitated by the world's most modern broadcasting
facility not being able to cope with the Repack!
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And the expectation, come August 1st, there'd be a bright new world out there, fuhgettaboutit!

The following was filed by WPXN with the FCC, read it and weep -

"Due to the power handling capabilities of the second combiner system to be
shared, it is necessary for WPXN-TV, and all UHF broadcasters co-located at the One
World Trade Center (“1WTC”), to operate at reduced power while the first combiner
system is being modified during the post-repack transition. To facilitate these
construction efforts, ION seeks STA for WPXN-TV to operate at a reduced effective
radiated power on its post-auction channel, Channel 34, until the 1WTC post-auction
facility is complete. Upon completion, broadcast operations will be split between the two
combiner systems and return to full power operations."

All UHF broadcasters co-located at 1WTC
to operate at reduced power."


WCBS had already mentioned that it hoped to be back at full power by Labor Day.

Don't hold your breath!!!!!
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And the expectation, come August 1st, there'd be a bright new world out there, fuhgettaboutit!

The following was filed by WPXN with the FCC, read it and weep -

"Due to the power handling capabilities of the second combiner system to be
shared, it is necessary for WPXN-TV, and all UHF broadcasters co-located at the One
World Trade Center (“1WTC”), to operate at reduced power while the first combiner
system is being modified during the post-repack transition. To facilitate these
construction efforts, ION seeks STA for WPXN-TV to operate at a reduced effective
radiated power on its post-auction channel, Channel 34, until the 1WTC post-auction
facility is complete. Upon completion, broadcast operations will be split between the two
combiner systems and return to full power operations."

All UHF broadcasters co-located at 1WTC
to operate at reduced power."


WCBS had already mentioned that it hoped to be back at full power by Labor Day.

Don't hold your breath!!!!!
I'am amazed that the Durst Organization can get away with this nonsense. Someone should be overseeing this and go after them for total incompetence. Who knows how long that the stations will run at reduced power with Durst track record so far.
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TV is a Samsung analog
Converter box is Digital Stream
http://www.ezdigitaltv.comDigital_ST...50_Manual.html
Try using code 2303. Also, you did not mention batteries, but I assume you replaced them.

I have a Digital Stream converter box from Radio Shack and I am able to control the box with these remotes and codes:

Universal Zenith 3 in 1, ZEN350B, use code 358, [email protected]
Universal Replacement 3 by Philips, use code 0765, support phone 919-573-7854

If those don't work or can't find them, try to look for a code search feature on your remote, where various codes are attempted. You will need to keep pressing a button to indicate the current code did nothing and to move on to the next code. Also, try to use codes listed under cable or satellite, that is what worked for me, after all, it is a converter box. Hope that helps.

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What was the purpose of any networks moving back to 1 WTC in the first place? Were they going to see a cost savings? Otherwise why not just stay put at ESB.
Because as Hudson Yards continues to rise, the potential for obstruction of RF signals transmitting east of the site beyond Manhattan's West Side grows. This coupled with the NAB's giveback of upper UHF frequencies above RF 36 means that signal penetration from the Empire State Building post-repack may prove problematic for many viewers in New Jersey's most populous counties including southern Bergen, northern Hudson, Essex, and Passaic. There are many lower income residents within some of these communities who rely on OTA, and they, along with many other area residents, would be disenfranchised should the signals be obstructed.

For the moment, 1 WTC is the only structure within Manhattan that will remain unobstructed within a full 360° radius.

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We know they were promised the latest and greatest broadcast technology. There was much hype over this. Whether they save any money or not I don't know.
I doubt there is a monetary advantage. If anything, the necessity for engineering studies and the resulting need for DTS and translators has INCREASED the costs for broadcasters. The Metropolitan Television Alliance should really do more to assist the New York City television broadcasters then get super-excited over boastful glossy promises made by a shady landlord.
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And the expectation, come August 1st, there'd be a bright new world out there, fuhgettaboutit!

The following was filed by WPXN with the FCC, read it and weep -

"Due to the power handling capabilities of the second combiner system to be
shared, it is necessary for WPXN-TV, and all UHF broadcasters co-located at the One
World Trade Center (“1WTC”), to operate at reduced power while the first combiner
system is being modified during the post-repack transition. To facilitate these
construction efforts, ION seeks STA for WPXN-TV to operate at a reduced effective
radiated power on its post-auction channel, Channel 34, until the 1WTC post-auction
facility is complete. Upon completion, broadcast operations will be split between the two
combiner systems and return to full power operations."

All UHF broadcasters co-located at 1WTC
to operate at reduced power."


WCBS had already mentioned that it hoped to be back at full power by Labor Day.

Don't hold your breath!!!!!
So there are two antennas. The top one is still not ready, so everyone is on the lower antenna ? It must be an amazing design to be broad banded enough to transmit everything, even if they all have to cut back to accomodate the maximum capacity of the antenna.

I can't imagine that there is much difference between upper and lower as far as range...they both live atop 1 WTC.

Anyone have an idea what "reduced" means...5% ? 10 % ? transmitting with a used CB radio linear ? (just kidding)

Are there range maps/contours available anywhere showing the range differences, or it is an open ended permission for engineers to turn power up and down at will ?

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Check Rabbitears they have contours for all the construction permits and STA applications

WPXN:
Construction Permit contour:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....4&site=1&map=Y
Reduced Power STA Contour:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....4&site=1&map=Y

WCBS:
Construction Permit contour:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....3&site=1&map=Y
Reduced Power STA contour:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....5&site=1&map=Y

WLIW:
Construction Permit contour:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....7&site=1&map=Y
Reduced Power STA contour:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....5&site=1&map=Y


WNJU/WNBC hasn't filed for anything yet, while WNYW had to file to change their final construction permit because of the Durst mess.
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