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I doubt it has to do with broadcasting, but I don't seem to remember that white circle thingy with the vertical slits below the spire before.


This was how the spire area looked, back on April 15, 2015:



As for 4 Times Square, I'm certain it's at left here. Is the other spire to the right used for anything?


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I doubt it has to do with broadcasting, but I don't seem to remember that white circle thingy with the vertical slits below the spire before.


This was how the spire area looked, back on April 15, 2015:



As for 4 Times Square, I'm certain it's at left here. Is the other spire to the right used for anything?

First, the wrapping you see below the Antenna Mast on the ESB allows work
to be done on the 102nd Floor Observation facility. The work will remodel the
area, specifically enlarging the windows - the new ones will be much higher
to allow better views.

Next, the other pictures are not of 4TS, their masts are merely ornamental.

Here is a link to the 4TS antenna -

https://www.google.com/search?q=four...eZnxHQpzNH72M:
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4 Times Square is the building with NASDAQ on the ground floor. Unless they changed the mast recently I don't think either one of those are them.

I did a quick check of sites and I don't see anything listed as broadcasting from those other towers. Outside of 1WTC, ESB and 4 Times Square, there's WKOB who transmits from the Trump tower and WPXU and W41DO who broadcast from the Bloomberg Tower, along with a bunch of LP stations like WYXN, WXNY and WNYX who transmit from Long Island City in Queens.

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Thanks for the correction on 4 Times Square! I have been by there before. I just wasn't east of Madison Square Garden/Penn Station on the weekend visit. I spent most of my time by the Hudson Yards and walked some of The High Line. I knew I'd get a good view of NJ from there, but only the helix with NJ Route 495 and the Lincoln Tunnel area in Weehawken, NJ. The Alpine tower is north of the G.W. Bridge, so I knew I wouldn't see it from Hudson Yards.


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I don't know if it is an act of nature, or if engineers are doing serious work at 1WTC, but I noticed some pixelation from WPIX and WNET.
Also, my reception of WEDW and WNJB have been affected.
Since the move to West Orange, I am not getting WNYW at all, tho being Fox, I don't really miss them.
As we approach the day of radiofrequency musical chairs, I am beginning to think that there will be more unexpected changes in reception. I am in an unimpeded LOS towards 1WTC, but still, some stations get lost. I have no doubts in my mind that the kind of work to get the antennas ready there involve at least some kind of temporary power losses or reductions.
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I don't know if it is an act of nature, or if engineers are doing serious work at 1WTC, but I noticed some pixelation from WPIX and WNET.
Also, my reception of WEDW and WNJB have been affected.
Since the move to West Orange, I am not getting WNYW at all, tho being Fox, I don't really miss them.
As we approach the day of radiofrequency musical chairs, I am beginning to think that there will be more unexpected changes in reception. I am in an unimpeded LOS towards 1WTC, but still, some stations get lost. I have no doubts in my mind that the kind of work to get the antennas ready there involve at least some kind of temporary power losses or reductions.
Yes, there's a lot of work going on at 1WTC in anticipation of the Repack's Phase 4.

In fact, work will continue past the magic August 2nd date.

This work, though, is not affecting your reception of WPIX since that station transmits
from ESB.

If you'd like, try punching up RF27 to see WNYW from 1WTC!
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WEDW and WNJB shouldn't be affected by work at 1WTC either. WEDW is still broadcasting from their Connecticut site and didn't build out their DTS site from Empire yet, while WNJB broadcasts from Warrenville, NJ.
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Yes, there's a lot of work going on at 1WTC in anticipation of the Repack's Phase 4.
If you'd like, try punching up RF27 to see WNYW from 1WTC!
1. Not at home rn.
2. Thursday and the days before Labor Day will be very funny.
3. I am afraid I will have to buy a preamp just to get better reception of WNJB and WEDW (if it ever arrives at my place on RF 21).
4. I hope CPTV goes at least 720p after 8/1. I have seen the WTXX crawl about rescanning on 8/1.
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Probably a stupid question but it looks like it comes from WTC - why would all other stations from WTC (for ex. WCBS, WWOR) come in strong and WPIX is weak to non-existent.
It could be some gizmo, that you or a close by neighbor have running, that is interfering with the channel 11 signal. Did you buy anything for the house/apartment that could be leaking RF?
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Channel 5 is back.

NewsNet moved from 33.6 to 33.8 and also to 18.1 with WX sliding over to 18.2.

Also, when I mentioned DABL, I meant that I thought it odd that CBS did not keep Decades where it was, particularly now that they have added a spot for another network.
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MozzyMoz,


As others have said there is NOTHING going on in NYC that should impact the WNJB 8.1 signal coming from Warrenville NJ. I am an avid WNJB viewer and from my location I had to build a 4 element dipole VHF antenna and point it at Warrenville to receive WNJB. Now I get it just fine.
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Channel 5 is back.
Yes WNYW came back yesterday on RF 27. I was also getting WPXN on their new frequency (RF 34) last night, but seems to be off this morning.
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WPXN is still in overnight testing mode, they can't go live 24/7 on RF 34 until August 1st when WCAU moves in Philly.
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WPXN is still in overnight testing mode, they can't go live 24/7 on RF 34 until August 1st when WCAU moves in Philly.
In coordination with WCAU in Philadelphia, WPXN can only test the use of Chanel 34
between post-midnight and 5 a.m.
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In coordination with WCAU in Philadelphia, WPXN can only test the use of Chanel 34
between post-midnight and 5 a.m.
Apparently they are not following the rules then. I picked them up on RF 34 when I did a channel scan around 9pm last night. I only checked once so I don't know how long they were on the air.
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4. I hope CPTV goes at least 720p after 8/1. I have seen the WTXX crawl about rescanning on 8/1.

I think you mean WCCT-TV (CW) channel 20 of Waterbury? They transmit from the WTIC-TV (FOX) tower on Rattlesnake Mountain in Farmington, CT. I think the WTXX call letters may belong to a low-power digital station in greater Hartford.
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No, they're referring to 34-x WTXX-LD, the Azteca station currently spectrum sharing with WEDW as part of a STA until they are able to move to their own signal on RF 29, which they can't do until WUTF in Worcester moves to RF 19. Because of that CPTV is currently SD only on WEDW's signal.
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I think you mean WCCT-TV (CW) channel 20 of Waterbury? They transmit from the WTIC-TV (FOX) tower on Rattlesnake Mountain in Farmington, CT. I think the WTXX call letters may belong to a low-power digital station in greater Hartford.
Yes, here it is -

34 49 → 29 WTXX-LD SPRINGFIELD MA On the air
Display
Channel Physical
Channel Video Audio Call Sign Network/Programming Nickname Notes Print
34-1 49.257 DD2.0 ITV Azteca America
34-2 49.258 Infomercials
34-3 49.259 Infomercials
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That's the outdated info from when WTXX-LD still had a standalone signal, you need to look at the entries for WEDW or WZME to see their current RF 49 PIDs and bitrates:
https://www.rabbitears.info/market.p...=13594#station

Since the spectrum sharing is only a STA and not permanent, RabbitEars needed to keep that WTXX-LD entry seperate instead of merging it with WEDW's entry like WZME's.


As for why CPTV had to dip to SD and not WZME, even though more people probably care about having CPTV in HD instead of SBN, it's because WTXX's spectrum sharing STA is with WEDW. So CPTV still needs to honor the terms of the original channel sharing agreement and preserve WZME's slice of the bandwidth, and unless WZME agreed to an exception, they get to stay HD and keep their secondary subchannel. And what makes it even more complicated is SBN is usually a pay to play affiliation so even if WZME wanted to, they probably couldn't agree to temporarily dip down to SD in favor of CPTV. The same with WTXX's brokered/infomercial subchannels that had to be included as part of the share instead of only including the main Azteca channel.

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and 13 now too

first 5 went.
now 13 is gone. Not as gone, but it has gone from lock at the lower end of my received stations to occasional frame and pixels.

Assuming it is related to tower scramble.

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first 5 went.
now 13 is gone. Not as gone, but it has gone from lock at the lower end of my received stations to occasional frame and pixels.

Assuming it is related to tower scramble.
I'm showing them at 100% signal strength from my location, but I'm also noticing pixelation. So whatever may be going on does not appear to be related to signal strength.
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As others have said there is NOTHING going on in NYC that should impact the WNJB 8.1 signal coming from Warrenville NJ. I am an avid WNJB viewer and from my location I had to build a 4 element dipole VHF antenna and point it at Warrenville to receive WNJB. Now I get it just fine.
I am pretty aware that WNJB is not coming from 1WTC, it's just that all this pixelation coincided in time. That's the reason I was considering the preamp to improve my reception of WNJB (but reading from your experience, I am afraid it will not suffice ).

BTW, early this afternoon I noticed that WMBQ and WNDT have been deleted from the WNET signal. Only 13-1 and 13-2 are operating.

About WTXX, as mentioned somewhere before, it is a case of a temporary STA. WTXX is sharing (or better said, occupying) half the spectrum from WEDW. I hope the station in CT moves on 8/1 so WTXX gets off of the WEDW spectrum.
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WNYW is finally back in NYC zip 11375
5.1 WNYW (HD)
5.2 Movies!
5.4 LIGHT (intermittent reception)
we had no Fox here since 07/14/2019

fingers crossed we get pbs on 21 soon
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I’ve lost WNBC over the past two days. Showing 100% signal strength but 0% signal quality. It’s odd since I never had an issue with this before. Always had an issue with WCBS before but it’s been 100/100 for the past few weeks. I’m in east Setauket near the Long Island sound in Suffolk county. I guess we’ll see what happens tomorrow afternoon after all the scrambling is done.
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I’ve lost WNBC over the past two days. Showing 100% signal strength but 0% signal quality. It’s odd since I never had an issue with this before. Always had an issue with WCBS before but it’s been 100/100 for the past few weeks. I’m in east Setauket near the Long Island sound in Suffolk county. I guess we’ll see what happens tomorrow afternoon after all the scrambling is done.
All of the UHF stations transmitting from 1WTC have had to decrease their power
while Durst tries to re-tune Combiners.

Some have even had to move from the Upper UHF Antenna to the Lower one.

Additionally, viewers have experienced problems receiving WNET - it appears
that yesterday, the station attenuated power.

The "hope" is that stations will resume full-power transmission by Labor Day.

With Durst in charge, your guess is as good as mine. Don't hold your breath!
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All of the UHF stations transmitting from 1WTC have had to decrease their power
while Durst tries to re-tune Combiners.

Some have even had to move from the Upper UHF Antenna to the Lower one.

Additionally, viewers have experienced problems receiving WNET - it appears
that yesterday, the station attenuated power.

The "hope" is that stations will resume full-power transmission by Labor Day.

With Durst in charge, your guess is as good as mine. Don't hold your breath!
WNBC seems to be back up again for me. Rollercoaster!
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From NE Bergen County, NJ., I currently hold a pair of WNBCs, a pair of WNYWs, a pair of NewsNets, and a pair of WJLP/WNWT-CD Maritime Weathers. Looks like a great hand to me, what do I win?
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I’ve lost WNBC over the past two days. Showing 100% signal strength but 0% signal quality. It’s odd since I never had an issue with this before.
WFSB already made their move to RF 36, which is why you lost WNBC two days ago. You are getting a strong signal on RF 36, but unfortunately it's WNJU/WNBC and the new WFSB signal from across the sound interfering with eachother. You should get WNBC back when they move to RF 35 tommorow.

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Always had an issue with WCBS before but it’s been 100/100 for the past few weeks. I’m in east Setauket near the Long Island sound in Suffolk county. I guess we’ll see what happens tomorrow afternoon after all the scrambling is done.
It's because WFSB at RF 33 has been at a reduced power in prep for their move...which unfortunately is also to RF 36, so don't get used to it. You should be able to get their digital replacement translator on RF 22 from WLNY's tower, although I'm not sure if it's currently on the air since it has a pending application to slightly reduce their power to avoid interference with WDVB-CD's post-repack signal.

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I’ve lost WNBC over the past two days. Showing 100% signal strength but 0% signal quality. It’s odd since I never had an issue with this before. Always had an issue with WCBS before but it’s been 100/100 for the past few weeks. I’m in east Setauket near the Long Island sound in Suffolk county. I guess we’ll see what happens tomorrow afternoon after all the scrambling is done.
I have been losing WNBC/WNJU (RF 36) every night around 8 pm since they begun testing for the changeover. I get a signal all day long than prime time I lose it completely. The next morning the signal is back.
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