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post #20371 of 20514 Old 08-25-2019, 08:39 AM
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Your location didn't change, what did change is the power of the stations because of the Durst mess resulting in the 1WTC UHF stations operating at reduced power after August 1st. I would just wait it out until the work is done at 1WTC, hopefully by Labor Day. It's possible WNYW is at reduced power too but they forgot to file for a STA for it since they also had to file to change their final facility to the lower antenna at the last minute.

RabbitEars is a very good application, the webmaster Trip is a frequent user here and is heavily involved with the repack in an official matter as part of his day job. It's still a work in progress but it's meant to be a replacement for TVFool who's stuck on an outdated database and was never updated to handle the repack since the webmaster vanished. You just need to enter specific information about your location and antenna height for it to make its predictions. The default location for Pleasantville is one of the more lower portions of town. If I move the point to an area with an elevation similar to yours the results are better and in the "Good" range, which is why I asked for a more specific search:
https://www.rabbitears.info/searchma...&study_id=6075

At that elevation I can see that some of the reduced power stations are weaker compared to what levels they have when I switch to the post-repack search list that uses their final facilities. If WNYW were at full power it should be coming in better than a bunch of the stations you do get.

KyL and Trip, I was just joking about Rabbitears, I tried to make that clear with the wink. I also understand about the exact location being so important. If I lived on the north side of this hill my reception would be very different. Even though I am a retied physicist and understand the principles of RF, I would like to talk with an antenna expert about some of the new designs for HDTV antennas and whether or not it is time for me to retire the old yagi.

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I would stick with the Yagi if it was working well for you prior to August 1st. Most of those newer "HDTV" style antennas are usually optimized for UHF and perform poorly in the VHF band, so it might give you problems with WNET, WPIX and WABC, and you'll be lucky if you can pickup WJLP at all.

When the work is done at 1WTC all of the stations will have a greater power than they had pre-repack, and you'll even get some stations you might have had problems with prior to the repack, like WLIW who moved to 1WTC. In a few months you should get WEDW too since they are building a second transmitter site at the Empire State Building that puts a much better signal over your area than their Connecticut site does.

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Guys, I realize you are trying to be helpful, but you need to listen to what I am saying. I have been OTA in the exact same location since 2012. I have had excellent reception except for a period when CBS ran at 1/2 power and then I lost reception if it rained hard. I had excellent reception before the recan and have excellent reception after the rescan except for Fox5 which has weak and erratic signal strength after the rescan. ansky, I realize the HDTV is an all or nothing kind of thing, If Fox5 hits about 40% signal strength I get good reception, thus if I were close enough that Fox signal strength was 60% to 100% I would not notice any problems. You say that mutipath is due to localize issues at my location. My localized situation did not magically change when I did the rescan. Finally, I did rotate my antenna about +/- 5 degrees from is usual setting (see more about this below) and it did not make any difference (although I will try it again no that weather conditions have improved).



KyL, It is a good thing that rabbitears is not a very good application or I would not have any reception at all. Here are some specifics. As I said I have been getting very good reception from NYC for 7 years and I do not have any seasonal issues with reception even though there are a lot of trees where I live. Here are some specifics that may help you understand my location better. I live on a south facing hill and I estimate that my large yagi antenna is about 400 feet above sea level and about 30 feet above the ground at my location. The straight line distance from my antenna to the ESB is 28.9 miles and 31.7 miles to 1WTC. From my antenna the position of the ESB and 1WTC subtend an arc of 0.9 degrees. I am almost exactly due north of Manhattan. If I were to rotate my antenna more than +/- 10 degrees (or maybe a little bit more) I would start to loose signal strength because the yagi is very directional.
I live about 60 miles NW of NYC.

I've had OTA here at my home since 1989.

Just before the analog cutoff I could receive all the NYC ATSC channels.

After the cutoff and multiple channel changes over the years things were no longer that great.

Add to that the aging of my antenna system (coax decays in the weather and sun, antennas get beat up by the weather),

trees grow, tall buildings get built between you and your signal source, airline routes get moved, other frequencies that might be harmonics being put into use by other services, etc. signal capture is bound to slowly decay.

Even though you might think nothing has changed the airwaves are full of constant change.
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Exactly. Folks get all concerned about antennas, but I've had two at this point, a large RS VU 120 back in analog days...and now a CM 4228. The RS lasted a LONG time...and the eventual point of failure wasn't the channel 2 and 3 elements that got bent due to birds landing on them, but the plastic balun eventually gave up after 15 or so summers and water got in.... NTSC was always 100 % at my location with Philly adding the skip channels when conditions were good. The RS antenna lasted me well into HDTV time, from experimental HDTV transmissions, to full transition... it had a large array at the front for UHF....but when it died, I was able to go smaller and a bit higher with the CM 4228, and my only loss was RF 3, which I knew was going anyway-I would be putting up another large array for one minor channel. Spray painted the poles battleship grey and I went from an aluminum tree growing off the house to something you don't really see unless you look for it.

Two antennas, a few poles, and replacing a balun and a few splitters is still vastly cheaper than cable. I think too many people don't get that some experimentation and adjustment is part of the thing...they expect to toss a switch and get streaming like on a cell phone.

Based on experience, signals are definitely down and definitely less consistent than they used to be. I'm at the end of "green zone" so while not fringe, I'm at the end of easy....but NTSC was rock solid, as was the first HDTV signals, and after transition, HDTV was also rock solid compared to today. PQ was also way better in the beginning, but that's another rant for another time.

Getting WLIW has been a bonus so no complaints overall, and eventually Durst will figure out that newfangled radio thing,
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Is wnet transmitting from wtc? Or they staying on esb? Also, are they at reduced power?

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Is wnet transmitting from wtc? Or they staying on esb? Also, are they at reduced power?
WNET is transmitting from 1WTC, and has been so for a while.

I haven't seen any FCC info about the station reducing its power.

Currently, WNET is transmitting at 4kW.

As of May 2020, the station will change frequency and will be moving
to Channel 12 @ 6.5kW.
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WNET is transmitting from 1WTC, and has been so for a while.

I haven't seen any FCC info about the station reducing its power.

Currently, WNET is transmitting at 4kW.

As of May 2020, the station will change frequency and will be moving
to Channel 12 @ 6.5kW.
Ever since WNET moved to WTC I have been receiving them at 5dB lower than every other channel at WTC. So I assume they are at relatively lower power compared to the other stations.
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So, it’s Labor Day!

Is everything fixed on the WTC antenna? Full power stations today?
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Why duplicate broadcasts on same RF? Virtual 33.x/37.x, MHz on 14.1/46.1, etc.?

Just curious. (Been flipping through channels today.)

Can anyone comment on the duplicated OTA broadcasts in the NYC/NJ area?

Specifically, a couple of the many 33.x are also on 37.x, and MHz is on 14.1 and 46.1. (Not sure if 48.1 and 48.3 are supposed to be duplicated as they have been for months, since WRNN has never stopped listing 48.3 as Arirang.)

Just curious to understand how duplicates come about. Could sort of understand if they were on different physical/RF channels (like the old 9.1-5.3 and 5.1-9.2).
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They're all low power or class A licenses that now spectrum share with full power signals.

37.x is WNWT-LD, it's the former WBQM/51 that the owners of WJLP purchased and now spectrum shares with them. 37-1 is the same stream as Newsnet 33-8, 37-2 is the same stream as WJLP's marine weather channel on 33-10. Prior to WJLP purchasing them it was various religious and spanish networks, but originally it was one of the local Box/MTV2 channels for NYC on analog 38, before being displaced to RF 3 and later RF 50. According to the FCC's info it should be on 18-x, but for whatever reason they are using 37-x.


14.x is WNDT-CD, it's the former WEBR/17. It was purchased by a spectrum speculator OTA Broadcasting, who ended up donating the license to WNET when they cashed out and sold or surrendered their remaining licenses. WEBR carried Korean programming, but back in the 90s it was the other Box music channel for the NYC area.

46.x is WMBQ-CD. Up until 2004 it used to be WLBX/22, The Box/MTV2 channel for New Jersey before it was displaced to 46. It was eventually sold, moved to NYC and became random religious and ethnic programming and later BizTV. Its owners also cashed out in the spectrum auction and donated the license to WNET.

Both spectrum share with WNET. I think the original plan was to make one of them All Arts.


Arirang's lease of 48.3 ended, so WRNN is keeping the subchannel alive as a simulcast, and will likely replace it with whoever wants to lease it next.

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Ever since WNET moved to WTC I have been receiving them at 5dB lower than every other channel at WTC. So I assume they are at relatively lower power compared to the other stations.
For quite a while, reception of WNET was always poor, and impossible at night. Now I don't get it at all.
When WJLP started duplicating NewsNet and its weather channel, they were on 18.x then moved to 37.x.
The Decades network will return to the NYC area soon on 5.5 -- why not on 5.3? Are they keeping it vacant for something else?
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For quite a while, reception of WNET was always poor, and impossible at night. Now I don't get it at all.
When WJLP started duplicating NewsNet and its weather channel, they were on 18.x then moved to 37.x.
The Decades network will return to the NYC area soon on 5.5 -- why not on 5.3? Are they keeping it vacant for something else?
Go figure.

I only receive WNET at night!
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Go figure.

I only receive WNET at night!
I receive them day and night. But if it's raining or snowing they tend to fade out
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The Decades network will return to the NYC area soon on 5.5 -- why not on 5.3? Are they keeping it vacant for something else?
5.3 used to be a SD simulcast of the main WNYW feed. That went off the air a while ago so I don't know why they are keeping that vacant.

WCBS 2.3 is up with a blue screen. The new DABL network will debut on Sept. 9th.
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They're all low power or class A licenses that now spectrum share with full power signals . . .
KyL416, Thank you. Much appreciate the informative detail you kindly provided on these stations.
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Any updates on when full power will happen?
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Ion's website says September 30th for WPXN:
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Any updates on when full power will happen?

I am still having problems with receiving Fox5, however, after numerous tries I actually got to speak to someone in engineering at the Fox5 studio in NYC (not 1WTC). He said they are still operating a reduced power, he said it was 80% of expected power ( I have my doubts that it is that high), that they are still working on getting the combiner sorted out and he thought it would be mid-September before they returned to full power ( I would my hold my breath on that date ).

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At times it seems like it was just yesterday. I still cannot get use to the sight of all the armed soldiers in GCT.

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I'm seeing commercial on This TV (11.3) that in October this channel will become Court TV, which is really disappointing. Does anyone know whether This TV will be retained and potentially switched to a different channel? I would definitely miss having this network.
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im sure they have streaming channel, i agree thistv is good choice
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Scripps owns Court TV and now owns PIX 11.
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I'm seeing commercial on This TV (11.3) that in October this channel will become Court TV, which is really disappointing. Does anyone know whether This TV will be retained and potentially switched to a different channel? I would definitely miss having this network.
Court TV is already carried on WJLP 33.5. Perhaps when WJLP's contract with that network ends they will pick up This TV. It doesn't make much sense for 2 channels in the same market to carry the same network. Although Laff TV has been duplicated on WABC (7.2) and WJLP (33.2) for many years.

As a side note, Escape TV which is carried on WJLP 33.4 will be rebranded as Court TV Mysteries on Sept. 30. It seems that this is just a name change and the shows will remain the same.

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Scripps owns Court TV and now owns PIX 11.
That has nothing to do with it, it was first announced that Tribune's stations would be carrying CourtTV back in December 2018. It was shortly after Nexstar announced their intention to acquire Tribune instead of Sinclair, so that deal was nowhere near closing and Scripps wasn't even in the picture yet. A few months later when the site went live it listed the now former-Tribune stations carrying CourtTV starting November 1st replacing ThisTV, including the ones that Nexstar didn't divest to Scripps like WPHL, KTLA, WGN and KWGN and ones they divested to Tegna like WCCT.

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I forget.... but Isn't GRIT and/or ESCAPE also duplicated between 2 different channels as well ..?
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I forget.... but Isn't GRIT and/or ESCAPE also duplicated between 2 different channels as well ..?
I don't think so. I believe a while back WXTV or WFUT were carrying those networks, but not anymore.

Decades network was supposed to show up in Q3 which ends next Monday. I don't see anything lit up yet on WNYW 5.5. Also nothing showing up for WEDW yet so I don't know what their timeline is for the ESB transmitter. I know the CP extension goes until January.
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I forget.... but Isn't GRIT and/or ESCAPE also duplicated between 2 different channels as well ..?
The rabbitears.info web site has lists of stations for a network, including lists for Escape and Grit.
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