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Wcbs is the same or worse in East Setauket for me

Wwor is the same

I don’t think anything happened today
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Wcbs is the same or worse in East Setauket for me

Wwor is the same

I don’t think anything happened today
More of my trivia.

WCBS was to have moved from PEP96 @ 321 kW upstairs to PEP40 putting out 548 kW.
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More of my trivia.

WCBS was to have moved from PEP96 @ 321 kW upstairs to PEP40 putting out 548 kW.
So did it move?

Wouldn’t it have gotten stronger for me if it did happen?
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So did it move?

Wouldn’t it have gotten stronger for me if it did happen?
To both questions -

Who knows?
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Me still thinks nothing happened
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Me still thinks nothing happened
I could be deluding myself, but - just checked the Fair Lawn, NJ Live Bandscan tuner.

If looks as if there may have been some power increases around 8:30 tonight - or,
it could be local reception phenomena.

Anyone experiencing a rise in signal strength?
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I could be deluding myself, but - just checked the Fair Lawn, NJ Live Bandscan tuner.

If looks as if there may have been some power increases around 8:30 tonight - or,
it could be local reception phenomena.

Anyone experiencing a rise in signal strength?
FWIW, Here is what I have seen in the last 24 hours. Fox 5 has improved but only slightly. It appears to be more powerful, BUT still varies widely in signal strength. At its best it now hits about 70% on my newest TV's "signal strength meter" where as the other major broadcast channels ( CBS, NBC. ABC, CW (11) and PBS (13) ) all come in 95% to 100% and are stable in signal strength. I also checked PBS (21) and WWOR (9). 21 is strong stable signal and 9 is medium signal (50% to 60%), however, it is stable and anything over about 35% to 40% is watchable.


How is it decided which channels go on the upper antenna?

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FWIW, Here is what I have seen in the last 24 hours. Fox 5 has improved but only slightly. It appears to be more powerful, BUT still varies widely in signal strength. At its best it now hits about 70% on my newest TV's "signal strength meter" where as the other major broadcast channels ( CBS, NBC. ABC, CW (11) and PBS (13) ) all come in 95% to 100% and are stable in signal strength. I also checked PBS (21) and WWOR (9). 21 is strong stable signal and 9 is medium signal (50% to 60%), however, it is stable and anything over about 35% to 40% is watchable.


How is it decided which channels go on the upper antenna?
This is how I believe things go concerning which antenna is used - the short version.

. Stations determine from Durst what's available and then negotiate.

. Stations apply to the FCC and get approval.

. Durst reneges, claims there isn't enough power to accommodate the stations' needs.


Both WNYW and WLIW had negotiated and had been promised positions for their primary
transmissions on the Upper UHF Antenna (PEP40), and both were told, no can do. They then had to
use the Lower UHF Antenna (PEP96).
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This is how I believe things go concerning which antenna is used - the short version.

. Stations determine from Durst what's available and then negotiate.

. Stations apply to the FCC and get approval.

. Durst reneges, claims there isn't enough power to accommodate the stations' needs.


Both WNYW and WLIW had negotiated and had been promised positions for their primary
transmissions on the Upper UHF Antenna (PEP40), and both were told, no can do. They then had to
use the Lower UHF Antenna (PEP96).
That antenna is 1700' in the air. Does it really matter if it's the upper antenna or lower antenna. It's the power output that is going to make the difference in the reception that you get.
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That antenna is 1700' in the air. Does it really matter if it's the upper antenna or lower antenna. It's the power output that is going to make the difference in the reception that you get.
Of course, power is important, but the additional height of the Upper UHF Antenna (PEP40)
makes it more difficult for those living closer to 1WTC to receive better reception.

The Upper is better for the burbs.
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Of course, power is important, but the additional height of the Upper UHF Antenna (PEP40)
makes it more difficult for those living closer to 1WTC to receive better reception.

The Upper is better for the burbs.

This does not natch with what I get in the northern burbs. WLIW is strong and stable, but WWOR and WNYW are medium strength and 5 is variable in strength and 9 is more stable. Go figure. . How did Durst get control of what goes where on 1WTC?

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This does not natch with what I get in the northern burbs. WLIW is strong and stable, but WWOR and WNYW are medium strength and 5 is variable in strength and 9 is more stable. Go figure. . How did Durst get control of what goes where on 1WTC?
My understanding of the UHF stations' locations (Main Transmission), once things are finalized is -

Upper - WCBS, WWOR, WPXN

Lower - WNJU (WNBC), WNYW, WLIW

In 2010, Durst invested approximately $100 Million in 1WTC and assumed management
of the building and its broadcast operation. PEP 40, PEP 96 and the VHF Master Antenna
are owned by the building and their use is rented to stations.
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WTC Changes ?

I recorded all of my levels last week and a check on Monday afternoon revealed no change. Tuesday, I noticed a substantial difference but really not sure if it was just favorable condiditions.
A check this morning, Wednesday, and my levels are actually less than they were last week but today is a pretty miserable day.
Have they increased the power at WTC ? Hard for me to definitively tell.
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I could be deluding myself, but - just checked the Fair Lawn, NJ Live Bandscan tuner.

If looks as if there may have been some power increases around 8:30 tonight - or,
it could be local reception phenomena.

Anyone experiencing a rise in signal strength?
I have seen some small increases and decreases, with most stations at 80% strength or better. Some noticeable changes: 13 which was impossible to tune in at all is now flickering in and out and WABC which was always solid is now showing some pixelation.
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I have seen some small increases and decreases, with most stations at 80% strength or better. Some noticeable changes: 13 which was impossible to tune in at all is now flickering in and out and WABC which was always solid is now showing some pixelation.
WNET broadcasts from WTC, and WABC broadcasts from ESB, so they have nothing to do with each other.

Anyway, this is OTA reception we're talking about. You're always going to see small fluctuations (up or down) with reception. If you think any of this has to do with the stations adjusting power then you're reading too much into it.
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Anyone email the engineer to see what happened?
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Strange!

No signal for WLIW, RF32 at approximately 2:00 p.m. and 4:15 p.m. today.

Each incident lasted about 1/2 hour.

This has been verified via two RabbitEars, Live Bandscan tuners - Richmond Hill and Fair Lawn.

Something is going on.
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Coming great here 2nite, cbs signal seems to tail off lately, should be back to full strength signal this month.
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I contacted CPTV to see if they have any updates on when the WEDW broadcast from ESB is going to start. I'll report back if I hear any updates.
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Wcbs is the same or worse in East Setauket for me

Wwor is the same

I don’t think anything happened today
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Fox5 was better for a few days, but has degraded again. I think they are still trying to get this repack right.

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Anyone know what’s going on with WRNN 48.3? I know it switched from Arirang programming to an SD broadcast of 48.1 a while ago, but I just checked and it appears to be airing religious programming. Right now it’s airing a Spanish show that appears to be affiliated with a church in Queens. It could just be an infomercial/brokered programming, but I’ll be monitoring this channel to see what else it shows.
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They're now carrying "Canal de la Fe"
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WCBS and WLIW filed for their licenses to cover today.
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Anyone know what’s going on with WRNN 48.3? I know it switched from Arirang programming to an SD broadcast of 48.1 a while ago, but I just checked and it appears to be airing religious programming. Right now it’s airing a Spanish show that appears to be affiliated with a church in Queens. It could just be an infomercial/brokered programming, but I’ll be monitoring this channel to see what else it shows.
It has been Spanish language religious/inspirational for several days now.
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WNET broadcasts from WTC, and WABC broadcasts from ESB, so they have nothing to do with each other.

Anyway, this is OTA reception we're talking about. You're always going to see small fluctuations (up or down) with reception. If you think any of this has to do with the stations adjusting power then you're reading too much into it.
I never stated that there was a connection. As several others have pointed out, there have been numerous fluctuations recently, and the pixelation on WABC has been happening frequently and has blurred a significant amount of screen space when it does, making watching difficult.
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Wabc7 is by far strongest station on nyc dial, wpxn ch31 has been MIA
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Where are you located? WPXN is co-channel with WSWB in Scranton and WTIC in Hartford which limits their availability in some areas, and makes it susceptible to interference when the boost conditions are right. So in some areas you might have to find a sweet spot to aim for instead of pointing directly at 1WTC to prevent side or rear reception of the co-channel stations. WCBS has the same co-channel issue on Long Island with WFSB, which is why they have a construction permit to get their replacement translator on RF 22 back on the air from WLNY's tower.

The live bandscans on RabbitEars shows it coming in just fine in Poughkeepsie and Queens. The live bandscan for Fair Lawn, NJ was also getting it up until around 8:25pm, when it stopped reporting updates.

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Fair Lawn Live Bandscan is back!
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