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post #20821 of 20913 Old 05-28-2020, 04:23 AM
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LenL, all,

Thanks.. I am not in a valley.. Elevation is 2227 feet according to elevation finder ..my last TVfool report put me at 2 edge though. Trees are everywhere around me and an antenna cannot get above them. LOS..hah..only if I climb the tallest tree in my yard but it is so far from the house.



By the way just to point out how erroneous data can be.....High Point State Park at 1803 feet is the highest elevation in NJ. So if you are at 2227 feet you can't be in NJ! You have to be in another state.
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I can't answer your Warwick question. I have seen large YAGI style antennas mounted.
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LOL.. my house is at 876 ft elevation per freemaptools . Not sure where I the erroneous 2200 ft from..i knew that sounds
way too high.
Per that site if I click around me there is a mountain at 1000 ft to the south east toward NYC transmitters.. So I'm a valley dweller as well as a tree dweller. A challenge for sure...but I did see signals in my experimenting last year.
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It depends on how far from that 1000 ft mountain to your south east you live. If it is right in front of you then you have a big issue. If it is a mile away then you still have a chance. I am speaking from experience. When I lived in Dover my house was facing a big hill about a mile away and I was in a flat area and still got pretty decent reception with a CM 4228 antenna and a preamp. Even got WLIW.
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Keep in mind that when you go to any of these sites you are getting estimates that are not 100% reliable.

From my experience I have found that stations that were supposed to be not so well received I get strong signals and others that were supposed to be good are not!

So just because it may say 2 edge do not assume it is correct! Do not assume any of the results are completely accurate. Use the results only as a guide.
These coverage maps seem to do their best with LOS signals. The more terrain in the signal path, the more likely the signal strength value can be off. There are people on AVS that ask "how am I receiving this station that I shouldn't be?" The answer usually involves signal reflections or diffraction that is hard to predict. TV stations the coverage maps predict you should receive, but don't, usually involve some interference issue these models can't account for.

From what I've been told, the terrain models RabbitEars coverage maps use are top notch. If it says 2-edge, it probably is. Not all 2-edge situations are the same, that's why you check the terrain path to see how bad the situation looks. Even a 1-edge path can be devastating if it ends up being a huge nearby obstruction.

I agree with you that any results should be used as a guide. Just don't expect better coverage maps anytime soon.

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WNET posted their rescan date and time, 7/2 at 9am:
https://www.thirteen.org/blog-post/o...een-in-future/
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WNET posted their rescan date and time, 7/2 at 9am:
https://www.thirteen.org/blog-post/o...een-in-future/
I wonder if they have done any testing yet. I'll have to do some late night scans to see if I can pick up anything.
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I wonder if they have done any testing yet. I'll have to do some late night scans to see if I can pick up anything.

I haven't check Trip's website so I don't know if (I hope not) they are making any other changes with this repack like reducing power etc....
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I haven't check Trip's website so I don't know if (I hope not) they are making any other changes with this repack like reducing power etc....
There is supposed to be a slight increase in power on their new channel assignment.
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They're using the existing antenna and transmitter, so it's not something they can test randomly in the weeks leading up to it without taking WNET off air until July 2nd since part of it also involves replacing some RF 13 equipment with RF 12 equipment. Plus they would need to file a program test agreement with WHYY to temporarily interfere with RF 12 overnight.

Their latest filing says that WNET's hired crew is stuck outside of the country and might not be able to arrive in time to do the retuning because of travel shutdowns, so their backup plan is to transition to RF 12 at their 4 Times Square auxiliary facility and move back to 1WTC when the crew can travel again and replace the combiner and mask filter to complete the retuning process.
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So we can probably expect reception issues as part of this move to RF 12! The move to 4 Times square will bring issues and then the move back to 1WTC will bring issues. In both cases there will be a period of reception woes if past experience is any indicator! Ugh! My most watched station at the moment!
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So we can probably expect reception issues as part of this move to RF 12! The move to 4 Times square will bring issues and then the move back to 1WTC will bring issues. In both cases there will be a period of reception woes if past experience is any indicator! Ugh! My most watched station at the moment!
It's amazing how they wait until the last minute to get these things done.
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It's amazing how they wait until the last minute to get these things done.
I would imagine that WNET and Durst had all the necessary personnel and
components in place for the previous Phase 9, May 1st date.

The restrictions enforced by the coronavirus were hardly anticipated.
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Have people living in Manhattan found that they get better reception with an indoor antenna if they use an attenuator?
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Please bring back some power back to WNET after the repack. PBS sellouts.

It's the only NYC broadcast I cannot receive. Without sacrificing other channels.

I'm in Smithtown, Long Island. Fox, CBS come in strong off the same tower.
Maybe, I have to become a member first ?
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Please bring back some power back to WNET after the repack. PBS sellouts.

It's the only NYC broadcast I cannot receive. Without sacrificing other channels.

I'm in Smithtown, Long Island. Fox, CBS come in strong off the same tower.
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Currently, WNET is putting out 4kW using Channel 13.

The Repack will move the station to Channel 12 at 6.5kW.

It's been speculated on this site that the 1WTC facility may not be ready on the changeover date - July 2nd.

If this is so, WNET will use its backup facility at 4TS until the 1WTC has been converted.

I've been told by a friend, who's an R.F. engineer, that the power increase to 6.5kW will probably not make
much of a difference.

Hope it works for you!
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They are increasing their power slightly, however it will only give their contour an increase of 2.6 miles, which probably won't be enough without you getting a better VHF antenna and finding the sweet spot between 1WTC for WNET (and soon WJLP) and the Empire State Building for WABC and WPIX. Even with the increase there will still be some deadzones in the Smithtown area because of the hills:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....c&site=1&map=Y
VHF and UHF signals are affected differently by terrain and other conditions, so even though they come from the same site, you might have better luck using seperate VHF and UHF antennas aimed for each band's sweet spot, and connect them to a VHF/UHF combiner. Also you might want to make sure you don't have any noise sources affecting VHF reception like Solar Panel inverters, cheap LED bulbs, or offbrand cell phone chargers.

If that's not an option for you, when WEDW finishes building out their Trumbull signal, much of Smithtown should be in range of that, and CPTV airs many of PBS's shows at the same time WNET does:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....4&site=1&map=Y

WNET, WLIW and NJTV also now stream live online for free, so that's another option to view their programming:
https://www.thirteen.org/live/
https://www.wliw.org/live/
https://www.njtvonline.org/live/


Also, their weaker signal compared to other NYC area stations has nothing to do with being "sellouts". It's because they're co-channel with WYOU in Scranton and need to protect the adjacent WHYY in Philly, so they couldn't take advantage of the maximization window to get a signal with the same range as WABC like WCBS and WNJU/WNBC did. This has been the case since the DTV transition in 2009 and has nothing to do with the repack. The only change so far in WNET's signal was moving back to 1WTC in July 2018, but that's something they and most of the other NYC stations have always been planning to do, even if the repack didn't happen. Right now the only TV stations left at Empire are WABC, WPIX, WFUT/WXTV and some weaker stations you won't get out in Suffolk like WDVB-CD/WTBY and WMBC's NYC signal.
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Currently, WNET is putting out 4kW using Channel 13.
The Repack will move the station to Channel 12 at 6.5kW.
Thanks for the info. I can receive WNET, but too much sacrifice to other channels. Maybe the weak boost will be enough.
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VHF and UHF signals are affected differently by terrain and other conditions, so even though they come from the same site, you might have better luck using seperate VHF and UHF antennas aimed for each band's sweet spot, and connect them to a VHF/UHF combiner.
This is a backup antenna system currently. Cord cutting is the intent. But not ready. I've had mixed results with combining antenna.
Out here on the fringe, I wanted to test what I own, over buying bigger guns.
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If that's not an option for you, when WEDW finishes building out their Trumbull signal, much of Smithtown should be in range of that, and CPTV airs many of PBS's shows at the same time WNET does:
WEDW comes in now with some pixelation. This might be a future separate UHF antenna to combine. Using a VHF/UHF combi antenna now.
WLIW is solid signal, But treated like the ugly step sister when it comes to PBS programming.
WNET is receivable. But with other channel consequences.
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It's because they're co-channel with WYOU in Scranton and need to protect the adjacent WHYY in Philly, so they couldn't take advantage of the maximization window to get a signal with the same range as WABC like WCBS and WNJU/WNBC did. This has been the case since the DTV transition in 2009 and has nothing to do with the repack. The only change so far in WNET's signal was moving back to 1WTC in July 2018, but that's something they and most of the other NYC stations have always been planning to do, even if the repack didn't happen. Right now the only TV stations left at Empire are WABC, WPIX, WFUT/WXTV and some weaker stations you won't get out in Suffolk like WDVB-CD/WTBY and WMBC's NYC signal.
This answers my question, Why did WNET repack? It didn't seem to have much cochannel issues.
I'm trying to balance the best signal from 3 NYC towers. Surprisingly I get different channel results from a 3 degree swing.
WNET, WNYE, WJLP, for example. WMBC can locked on, But cannot display.

A final thought, I've read that UHF frequencies require much more power for the same range as VHF.
Maybe... The downshift in WNET to channel 12 combined with their minor ugrade power will help the signal range.
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This answers my question, Why did WNET repack? It didn't seem to have much cochannel issues.
It's kind of complicated, but basically a bunch of RF 13 stations had to move to allow stations in other markets to move from UHF to VHF and preserve their coverage area, which created a cascading effect. i.e. the moves of WNET in NYC and WYOU in Scranton to RF 12, WNYA in Albany to RF 7, and WHAM in Rochester to RF 9 allowed WGBY in Springfield to move from UHF 22 to VHF 13 and WNYI in Syracuse to move from UHF 20 to VHF 13. In order for those moves to happen a bunch of other swaps had to also occur in markets like Philly, Baltimore, Buffalo, Binghamton, Burlington, Watertown, DC/Hagerstown and Sherbrooke, Quebec.
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Quik question I'm receiving wedw full power, has wedw moved to freedom tower?
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WEDW is not moving to 1WTC, its secondary DTS site is going to be the Empire State Building and they haven't even started building it.

You're probably just getting some signal boost because of the weather system passing through the area today.

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WEDW is not moving to 1WTC, its secondary DTS site is going to be the Empire State Building and they haven't even started building it.

You're probably just getting some signal boost because of the weather system passing through the area today.
looks like very likely, noticed that wedw no longer shares channel bandwidth with wzme.. edws pq looks much better
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looks like very likely, noticed that wedw no longer shares channel bandwidth with wzme.. edws pq looks much better
No, WEDW still shares with WZME. You might be seeing better PQ due to the dropping of a few subchannels recently.
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Did WTXX-LD's 34-x subchannels leave the share?
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What is going on with that court filing related to WEDW? Has there been any progress? This has dragged on for so long I doubt they will move forward with the DTS at this point.
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Did WTXX-LD's 34-x subchannels leave the share?
No, and that's the weird aspect about this. WEDW & WZME went from three subchannels each to two, while WTXX-LD got to keep all three of theirs. They must use little bandwidth. Hopefully, WTXX will be moving soon to RF channel 29 in the Hartford area. I won't miss it.
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WNET's move to RF12 is now just a few days away. Were they able to get the necessary tower work done at WTC?
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There is something new on 48.4, WRNN -- previously blank or an SD copy 48.1, it is now airing classic TV.
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There is something new on 48.4, WRNN -- previously blank or an SD copy 48.1, it is now airing classic TV.
As of 11:30am I just see an infomercial for exercise equipment, although it is different than the infomercial on 48.1. What kind of classic TV were you seeing?
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