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post #11701 of 12549 Old 03-09-2018, 07:57 PM
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Here's 3 of them - (I can't receive WNEU)

WBTS-LD
Bitrate: 24.000 Mbps Resolution: 1920 x 1080i

WYCN-LD
Bitrate: 17.613 Mbps Resolution: 1920 x 1080i

WMFP
Bitrate: 24.000 Mbps Resolution: 1280 x 720p

There isn't much visible difference really, switching back and forth on a 40" Samsung, but dark backgrounds on 60-5 seem slightly noisier. All 3 are better than the HDMI feed from Comcast cable ch. 810.

Also keep in mind 60.2 only has stereo sound, the others have DD5.1
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Also keep in mind 60.2 only has stereo sound, the others have DD5.1
There may be limitations in the STL link from the NBC/Boston studios in Newton to the WNEU New Hampshire transmitter, or limitations in the current transmitter itself.
When they move the WNEU transmitting site to Needham at the repack, they will be using a new ch 29 transmitter, and new STL link from the NBC/Boston studios now under construction in Needham.
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There may be limitations in the STL link from the NBC/Boston studios in Newton to the WNEU New Hampshire transmitter, or limitations in the current transmitter itself.
When they move the WNEU transmitting site to Needham at the repack, they will be using a new ch 29 transmitter, and new STL link from the NBC/Boston studios now under construction in Needham.
What is indicating that 60.2 has only stereo sound? The program I use for recording shows this:

Stream contains 4 program(s).
Using program 2: 60-5 WBTS-LD:
0x41 MPEG-2 Video [PCR]
0x44 A52/AC-3 Audio, language = eng
0x45 A52/AC-3 Audio, language = spa [2nd audio]


Then when I open the saved .m2t file, the stream info shows:

Type: MPEG transport stream

Duration: 0:01:00
Data Size: 46.24 MB
Bit Rate: 6.45 Mbps

Video Tracks:
65 MPEG-2, 1280 × 720, 16:9, 59.94 fps, 24.00 Mbps, progressive

Audio Tracks:
68 AC3 3/2, 48 kHz, 384 kbps


Everything seems to indicate AC3 5.1. Is it that the surround channels never have content, even for shows where you know they should?
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What is indicating that 60.2 has only stereo sound? The program I use for recording shows this:

Stream contains 4 program(s).
Using program 2: 60-5 WBTS-LD:
0x41 MPEG-2 Video [PCR]
0x44 A52/AC-3 Audio, language = eng
0x45 A52/AC-3 Audio, language = spa [2nd audio]


Then when I open the saved .m2t file, the stream info shows:

Type: MPEG transport stream

Duration: 0:01:00
Data Size: 46.24 MB
Bit Rate: 6.45 Mbps

Video Tracks:
65 MPEG-2, 1280 × 720, 16:9, 59.94 fps, 24.00 Mbps, progressive

Audio Tracks:
68 AC3 3/2, 48 kHz, 384 kbps


Everything seems to indicate AC3 5.1. Is it that the surround channels never have content, even for shows where you know they should?
60.5 is a subchannel of WMFP and transmits from Needham, and will be shutting down within the next month. 60.2 is a subchannel of WNEU, Merrimack, NH. They both carry WBTS programming. Per the previous poster, jakejm79, 60.2 is stereo only.
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60.5 is a subchannel of WMFP and transmits from Needham, and will be shutting down within the next month. 60.2 is a subchannel of WNEU, Merrimack, NH. They both carry WBTS programming. Per the previous poster, jakejm79, 60.2 is stereo only.
OK, now I’ve lost track of the NBC Boston transition and final frequency/virtual channel plans.
In Arlington, I currently can tune it on virtual 8.1 (WBTS, low power, only tunable with antenna amp) and 15.1 (WYCN, good power) and 60.5 (WMFP sub-channel, good power but lesser quality as noted above). Sounds like WMFP is doomed. Will either 8.1 or 15.1 stay long term on the current frequency, or is it going to move again to yet another virtual/frequency channel?
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15.1 is the one that is not going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

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15.1 is the one that is not going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

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And that will remain on RF channel 43?

Hopefully all of these transitions will settle down in the near future. It's a PITA keeping the guide data mappings up to date so that recordings happen as scheduled and watching live TV actually works.
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Hopefully all of these transitions will settle down in the near future. It's a PITA keeping the guide data mappings up to date so that recordings happen as scheduled and watching live TV actually works.
Yup and also a disappointment to see stations disappearing while OTA is actually seeing strong growth!
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And that will remain on RF channel 43?
Until the repack hits and multiple stations change channels at once, yes. WGBX/WYCN-CD will, at that time, move from RF43 to RF32.

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Until the repack hits and multiple stations change channels at once, yes. WGBX/WYCN-CD will, at that time, move from RF43 to RF32.

- Trip
Ugh, so we still have multiple changes to look forward to.
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Ugh, so we still have multiple changes to look forward to.
Yeah, and we don't even know what ATSC 3.0 will bring or the timeframe!
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I checked the rabbitears.com site today and it appears that in addition to the changes that will be occurring to the Boston area TV stations as a result of the spectrum repack, the adjacent Providence TV stations will be affected, too. The Providence stations are available over a large area of the Boston area. These changes were granted by the FCC as of today:


WPRI - DTV ch 12, now RF13, moves to RF 7 at 27 Kw with a nondirectional antenna (could be a bit more difficult to receive as it moves to a lower channel).
WSBE - DTV ch 36, now RF21, moves to RF 2 at 10 Kwnondirectional (low VHF will be difficult to receive).
WJAR - DTV ch 10, RF 50, has an application pending to move to RF 25 at 1000 Kw and now nondirectional (making it easier to get over the Boston area).
WLNE - DTV ch 6, RF 49, moves to RF24, with a higher antenna, now nondirectional, and boosting power to 465 K (resulting in a powerful signal extending from Eastern CT to around Cape Ann on Boston's North Shore). That should make receiving the "snowy 6 signal" from the analog days a memory of the past.
WNAC - DTV ch 64, RF 12, has no changes.
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I checked the rabbitears.com site today and it appears that in addition to the changes that will be occurring to the Boston area TV stations as a result of the spectrum repack, the adjacent Providence TV stations will be affected, too. The Providence stations are available over a large area of the Boston area. These changes were granted by the FCC as of today:


WPRI - DTV ch 12, now RF13, moves to RF 7 at 27 Kw with a nondirectional antenna (could be a bit more difficult to receive as it moves to a lower channel).
WSBE - DTV ch 36, now RF21, moves to RF 2 at 10 Kwnondirectional (low VHF will be difficult to receive).
WJAR - DTV ch 10, RF 50, has an application pending to move to RF 25 at 1000 Kw and now nondirectional (making it easier to get over the Boston area).
WLNE - DTV ch 6, RF 49, moves to RF24, with a higher antenna, now nondirectional, and boosting power to 465 K (resulting in a powerful signal extending from Eastern CT to around Cape Ann on Boston's North Shore). That should make receiving the "snowy 6 signal" from the analog days a memory of the past.
WNAC - DTV ch 64, RF 12, has no changes.
WPRI will be more susceptible to RF noise problems on ch 7. Ch. 7 was the original final choice of WHDH back at the time of the analog shutdown, and they very soon requested returning to ch. 42 after many signal complaints.
WSBE's signal is quite spotty and seems to have gaps. I my location a couple of miles south of the Needham towers, I can receive all but WSBE perfectly, but I have never picked up WSBE, yet have received WLIW (also on real channel 21) on Long Island several times via skip. It will be interesting to see if the ch 2 signal does any better.
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NBC Boston (or WMFP) pulled the plug on ch 60-5 at 12:01 AM right in the middle of SaturdayNight live. They were not running a crawl, made no announcement, and have no slide directing viewers to rescan - just nothing. The virtual channel is there - with no video and or audio.

March 31 was to be their last day sharing with WMFP (scheduled to shut down later in April).
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NBC Boston (or WMFP) pulled the plug on ch 60-5 at 12:01 AM right in the middle of SaturdayNight live. They were not running a crawl, made no announcement, and have no slide directing viewers to rescan - just nothing. The virtual channel is there - with no video and or audio.

March 31 was to be their last day sharing with WMFP (scheduled to shut down later in April).
Yeah and I'm seeing the other 2 sub-channels off-air as well 62.3 and 62.4. Oh well we knew it was coming, just a bummer to lose stations. I liked some of the sci-fi movies they would show on Comet. I can use the streaming app, but no longer can I DVR which is pretty much the only way I watch TV now a days.
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Yeah and I'm seeing the other 2 sub-channels off-air as well 62.3 and 62.4. Oh well we knew it was coming, just a bummer to lose stations. I liked some of the sci-fi movies they would show on Comet. I can use the streaming app, but no longer can I DVR which is pretty much the only way I watch TV now a days.
The contracts probably all ran out on March 31. It appears the only remnant of WMFP that will end up sharing on WWDP is SonLife.

Comet is also carried by WJAR (ch 10-3), if you can receive that. (The real NBC 10....)
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Yeah and I'm seeing the other 2 sub-channels off-air as well 62.3 and 62.4. Oh well we knew it was coming, just a bummer to lose stations. I liked some of the sci-fi movies they would show on Comet. I can use the streaming app, but no longer can I DVR which is pretty much the only way I watch TV now a days.
15.1 is my new home for NBC (which I seldom watch) and it comes with 15.2 Cozi. Nothing on WMFP was as watched in my house as the sitcoms on Cozi are, so I am OK with the change -- a little goodness gained for a little more meh lost. I've removed both Boston PBS affiliates from my lineup. WENH is complete and more reliable. My dial is down to 31 reliable, watched channels. I only miss Antenna TV. Any more changes coming?
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They were not running a crawl, made no announcement, and have no slide directing viewers to rescan - just nothing
They definitely did run a crawl during last Thursday's Will & Grace. They said 60.5 would be going off, said 15.1 is the new place for NBC, said OTA users would have to rescan. It is surprising that they didn't repeat that message on 60.5 as it was going down though. And then no slide for the information after going offline, sounds like someone was angry.
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It is surprising that they didn't repeat that message on 60.5 as it was going down though. And then no slide for the information after going offline, sounds like someone was angry.
Management probably doesn't care, isn't WMFP shutting down for good?
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They definitely did run a crawl during last Thursday's Will & Grace. They said 60.5 would be going off, said 15.1 is the new place for NBC, said OTA users would have to rescan. It is surprising that they didn't repeat that message on 60.5 as it was going down though. And then no slide for the information after going offline, sounds like someone was angry.
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Management probably doesn't care, isn't WMFP shutting down for good?
WMFP would not care, because they are shutting down before the end of the month, and will be sharing on WWDP, presumably only 62-1, SonLife. They may have found it simplest to just pull all the subchannels at once.

However, NBC Boston only running a crawl during a few shows in advance is not enough. It should have been running all day Saturday at minimum, and if they cared to notify viewers adequately, they should have cut the programming before losing access to 60-5 on WMFP midnight and put up a slide with a notice to rescan.
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However, NBC Boston only running a crawl during a few shows in advance is not enough. It should have been running all day Saturday at minimum, and if they cared to notify viewers adequately, they should have cut the programming before losing access to 60-5 on WMFP midnight and put up a slide with a notice to rescan.
One word "Sumcast" aka Comcast! Last thing they want to do is make life easy for OTA users!
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....Anyone up near Keene get any of the Boston stations?
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WBTS (NBC Boston) moving to Providence(!?!?!?) after the repack

RabbitEars shows a repack listing for WBTS changing from channel 46 to 36, with Providence as its new COL.
https://rabbitears.info//market.php?...allsign=64996#

They still have WYCN-CD, piggybacked onto WGBX. That should be the main station.

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WBTS (NBC Boston) moving to Providence(!?!?!?) after the repack

RabbitEars shows a repack listing for WBTS changing from channel 46 to 36, with Providence as its new COL.
https://rabbitears.info//market.php?...allsign=64996#

They still have WYCN-CD, piggybacked onto WGBX. That should be the main station.
They still will be moving WNEU from NH to Needham when the repack takes place in the Boston market, and that will most likely become the main station at that time. They won't need WGBX after that.
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Hello, I need your help in determining what is the best antenna for my house. I have TVFOOL data here to help with the process.
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...903839de2b8c66
I was looking at the HDB91x with possible LNA200 amp or channel master CM4228hd paired w CM7777 amp.
Please help in recommending an antenna and / or amp if needed.
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WMFP would not care, because they are shutting down before the end of the month, and will be sharing on WWDP, presumably only 62-1, SonLife. They may have found it simplest to just pull all the subchannels at once.

However, NBC Boston only running a crawl during a few shows in advance is not enough. It should have been running all day Saturday at minimum, and if they cared to notify viewers adequately, they should have cut the programming before losing access to 60-5 on WMFP midnight and put up a slide with a notice to rescan.
It's mid July, and WMFP has filed with the FCC to extend their operation on ch 18 another 45 days. Why? Because the DirecTV uplink site is unable to receive the pitiful over-the-air signal of WWDP, with which WMFP will be sharing, and a fiber line ordered from Verizon is taking much longer than expected to install:

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...648a87ec4f4f8a
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Hello, I need your help in determining what is the best antenna for my house. I have TVFOOL data here to help with the process.
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I was looking at the HDB91x with possible LNA200 amp or channel master CM4228hd paired w CM7777 amp.
Please help in recommending an antenna and / or amp if needed.
Thanks for all your help as im open to your suggestions.
That setup should be more the adequate, although I don't think you need too preamp, but I suggest posting in this forum to get more idea's/suggestions. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/25-hdtv-technical/
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CM4228HD has significantly MORE GAIN in UHF Band, esp. on lower UHF Channels than 91XG (after include Loss in it's Combiner):
https://photos.imageevent.com/holl_a...4%20-%20RG.jpg

Note that Ch22 is so strong, it is very likely to be received even with UHF Antenna pointed toward North-West to receive the remaining UHF Stations.

In order to receive Ch10, 12 and 13, you will ALSO need a Hi-VHF Antenna, such as:
https://www.amazon.com/30-2475-Fring.../dp/B014M0XXES

And a VHF/UHF Combiner, such as:
https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...rs.html?page=1
Note that it has DC PASS on the UHF Port, so that it can be located on the INPUT to amplify BOTH UHF and VHF signals or alternatively on the OUTPUT of a Preamp if you chose to amplify ONLY the UHF signals.

You should also post your FMFool Results [click on FM Channels (save image)]...where you will learn that there are two VERY Strong signals on 97.3 and 98.1 MHz. The second Harmonic of these falls on to of Ch10, so you MAY need to insert fol. FM Band Elimination Filter on Output of Hi-VHF Antenna....or Input of Preamp if it is configured to amplify VHF signals:
https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...on_filter.html
http://www.tinlee.com/PDF/CR7-%20FM%20bandstop-w.pdf

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Note that Ch22 is so strong, it is very likely to be received even with UHF Antenna pointed toward North-West to receive the remaining UHF Stations.
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Nothing to worry about there. WLWC on ch 22 is only a memory now. The license moved early this year to channel share on WPXQ's transmitter, where it carries only ION Life.

It's too bad that TVFool is so out of date. It the owner needs help with it - there are probably a dozen people on this forum that would be happy to assist.

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