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Short term it netted them significant dollars - a one time windfall, however. Those that switched to VHF low have boxed themselves into a corner permanently at a competitive disadvantage. Cord cutting and streaming is still increasing. With ATSC 3.0 coming, those stations will still have a second-rate signal.

For WGBH it is not too significant. They will still have the UHF WGBX signal on which to carry the most important channels.
Well not in corner yet on the low band vhf, low power of 600 so fcc is dishing out big money involved with the low power vhf stations.?
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WGBH and WGBX (2-1 and 44-1) were already in the list of stations in the database from day 1, so they weren't added today. You should already see them in your guide if you use a Boston zip in your AM21. If you see 2-2, you should see 2-1. If you erase all the old zips in your system, it should work. That can be a pain - sometimes you have to reset the AM21, then reset your receiver, then disconnect the AM21 and reset the receiver again, then reconnect the AM21 but disconnect your antenna cable, re-run it without the antenna so it finds nothing and wipes out what it tried to retain, and then finally connect it all properly and then say a little prayer... As long as you have the Miami zip in there, it will not work. In the past, the AM21 needed to match the RF AND PSIP to display, but it doesn't need that anymore - it just needs to see the PSIP of 2-1 to find it. Maybe that could be a reason you had trouble before. I know that WGBH and WGBX are funky with their RF and subchannel displays.

I did the same thing a while ago, my MeTV 5-3 (Burlington VT DMA) isn't in the database so I added a Texas zip to get their MeTV in my guide. A long time ago, I put a Boston zip in my AM21 just to see what it would show. My Bounce channel is on 44-3 and not in the database, but WGBX 44-3 shows up. When they update the Burlington database, I will be in your boat and have to deal with the cumbersome process to make it right to get those pesky old zips out of there and let the new ones show.

Apparently, sometimes when a station is channel sharing, they label it as that instead of a station that Directv doesn't carry - like they don't carry WFXZ but it is channel sharing with WGBH, so they label it WGBHDT5 or whatever instead of what it should be. Dumb. They've done this with other markets, too.

A few months ago, they also re-enabled the displaying of all channels it scans in, so you'll see everything your antenna picks up now. Like before, it must be in the database for it to show guide data. When they started doing that, I got the few Montreal stations I get OTA on my guide, without guide data. One of those channels is SRC CBFT 2-1 and that channel shows up for me as 2-1 WGBHDT because of that lingering Boston zip so that channel is in there for you to find!

I use a "moved" address because the VT locals are lacking and Boston has a nearly complete set of locals. In southern VT, you get both. Perfect. The AM21 adds in the subchannels and PBS that isn't carried by "moving" my service address. The AM21 is a pain in the @$$ but it's better than nothing. They are making a new OTA integration device for Directv, but it works the same as the AM21.
Yes that's why I'm waiting TOO what happens with the low power vh f stations.
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Yes only a 100 but the fcc is dishing out big money involved with the
Low power vhf stations and I bet the power will go up after all said and done.
Power is not the problem with VHF-Lo. It's RF interference from all your appliances that could make the signal drop out. TV stations like WGBH are counting on cable or satellite penetration remaining high to get their signals out.
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Power is not the problem with VHF-Lo. It's RF interference from all your appliances that could make the signal drop out. TV stations like WGBH are counting on cable or satellite penetration remaining high to get their signals out.
The noise has gotten much worse in the 10 years the low channels have been mostly unused. LED light bulbs, digital controls, switching power supplies, etc., have increased in numbers massively - and few have had reason to complain. Now these channels will suddenly be in use again. Impulse noise is a big problem also, and was in the old analog days - but that type of noise was annoying but relatively easy to ignore as dashed lines in an analog picture - however the same noise will cause a digital signal to lose lock and go black. To override that local noise is nearly impossible even with many times the power. Good reception might be possible with a very directional roof antenna.

Some stations just don't care, they would rather the cash. WGBH will still have the full power UHF WGBX for their most-watched channels, though.
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We'll I never had that problem with an outdoor tv antenna
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Just did a scan on my HDHomerun...anyone know what VF 22 is going to be? Seems only 22.1 is broadcasting some religious stuff right now, the other VF channels just have color bars. WFEO comes up as a Florida station, that's one hell of an atmospheric skip!


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Actually 22.4 is showing a nice Linux Login sreen, LOL...strange

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Just did a scan on my HDHomerun...anyone know what VF 22 is going to be? Seems only 22.1 is broadcasting some religious stuff right now, the other VF channels just have color bars. WFEO comes up as a Florida station, that's one hell of an atmospheric skip!
I think it's WLEK-LD.

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Actually 22.4 is showing a nice Linux Login sreen, LOL...strange

The login prompt shows makocommunications. Mako Communications is part of HC2 Holdings, which owns the station.
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http://www.makocommunications.com/

Wonder what stations they will be broadcasting? Based on the website doesn't look like anything promising though. Could care less about SBN that is currently broadcasting. Would be great to see something that is similar to ION, but with 4 VF channels, not going to have great quality .

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http://www.makocommunications.com/

Wonder what stations they will be broadcasting? Based on the website doesn't look like anything promising though. Could care less about SBN that is currently broadcasting. Would be great to see something that is similar to ION, but with 4 VF channels, not going to have great quality .
Probably nothing to write home about. Looking up a few of their stations on RabbitEars.info:

WKOB-LD New York SBN, Daystar, Shop LC
W25DW-D Chicago LATV, HSN, HSN2, QVC2, Shop LC, Almavision, BeautyiQ
WDUM-LD Philadelphia HSN, HSN2, QVC2, BeautyiQ
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WYGA-DC Atlanta SHOP LC, SBN, HOT TV, HSN, HSN2
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...with 4 VF channels, not going to have great quality .
Suggest you tune in WENH. 2x720p plus 3x480i look great.
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Wonder what stations they will be broadcasting? Based on the website doesn't look like anything promising though. Could care less about SBN that is currently broadcasting. Would be great to see something that is similar to ION, but with 4 VF channels, not going to have great quality .
The FCC yesterday approved WLEK's application to move the transmitter to Peabody MA, operating with 15 KW from 540 feet on ch 31 with a pattern pointing south, covering much of the Boston area:

https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....50b5b2e&site=1

If WLEK does carry SBN, it will fit in perfectly with SBN on WWDP, Norwell, which has a lot of coverage gaps toward the north. Perhaps they should work together and try to add a couple of the larger diginets missing from the Boston and Providence markets.
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The FCC yesterday approved WLEK's application to move the transmitter to Peabody MA, operating with 15 KW from 540 feet on ch 31 with a pattern pointing south, covering much of the Boston area:

https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....50b5b2e&site=1

If WLEK does carry SBN, it will fit in perfectly with SBN on WWDP, Norwell, which has a lot of coverage gaps toward the north. Perhaps they should work together and try to add a couple of the larger diginets missing from the Boston and Providence markets.
I can't really see SBN being a popular channel in the Boston area considering the demographics. Wish that we were provided with some new non-religious material OTA.
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I agree. I miss Cozi TV on WMFP.
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COZI is, of course, found on WYCN 15-2.

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I can't really see SBN being a popular channel in the Boston area considering the demographics. Wish that we were provided with some new non-religious material OTA.
SBN must be collecting enough in donations and sales of religious items in the market to be able to offer WMFP (via WWDP) more than other diginets do. They get must-carry on cable and satellite also.

The two largest diginets not carried in either the Boston or Providence markets, though they once were, are AntennaTV and Movies! There are other popular ones, such as RetroTV, LightTV, etc. Apparently those diginets would prefer to be unseen in either market than come to an agreement with any station in the area.
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COZI is, of course, found on WYCN 15-2.

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In last few days noticing ch25 Fox and CBS ch4 are a very weak signal. Pixel break up and sound loss and sometimes the signal is gone altogether. Haven't seen this since they had the transmission tower issues in Boston a couple of years ago. ch7 and ch5 (WCBV) and ch15 (NBC) the signal is strong so its not my equipment/TV's. Maybe it is a tower issue and these 2 ch are on the same tower. Anyone seen this or know anything about it?

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Anyone seen this or know anything about it?
I just re-scanned my channels and I see slightly lower signal strength for 4.1 and 25.1 than I saw on my previous scan which was back in the winter. However, spring is here and my trees just got all leafy. I usually lose some signal strength in the leaf-covered months. It is strange that I see more loss on 4 and 25 than I do through the rest of my line-up.
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Ditto here in Nashua. Still tuning attic antenna but 25 is entirely absent, 7 is questionable. Forget NBC/60/bruins, way weak.

4 and 5 dropping plenty of frames.

Summer is always the worst season for OTA ATSC but has other advantages . Will ATSC 3 improve summer reception or must NH fringe people maintain a subscription to limited basic tv as well as the limited basic summer available here?
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Ditto here in Nashua. Still tuning attic antenna but 25 is entirely absent, 7 is questionable. Forget NBC/60/bruins, way weak.

4 and 5 dropping plenty of frames.

Summer is always the worst season for OTA ATSC but has other advantages . Will ATSC 3 improve summer reception or must NH fringe people maintain a subscription to limited basic tv as well as the limited basic summer available here?
In Danville, I am watching the Bruins as I type this (which looks pretty good via my Recast). Earlier watched According to Jim on LAFF (25 sub). I just checked in on This which is a 7 sub. All good. (Devil's Brigade is a great movie, BTW.)

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Ditto here in Nashua. Still tuning attic antenna but 25 is entirely absent, 7 is questionable. Forget NBC/60/bruins, way weak.

4 and 5 dropping plenty of frames.

Summer is always the worst season for OTA ATSC but has other advantages . Will ATSC 3 improve summer reception or must NH fringe people maintain a subscription to limited basic tv as well as the limited basic summer available here?
You should be able to pick up NBC from WYCN Nashua ch 15-1 (real 36). WHDH-7 is still strong for me. 25 still weak to non-existent. WBZ-4 is back to good strength (which according to TVFOOL is noramally my strongest Boston ch). I was thinking there could be some new interference between Nashua and Boston but other Boston ch on the same direction are still good so that can't be it. I'm guessing tower issues with 25 so I might check out their website and inquire there.
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You should be able to pick up NBC from WYCN Nashua ch 15-1 (real 36). WHDH-7 is still strong for me. 25 still weak to non-existent. WBZ-4 is back to good strength (which according to TVFOOL is noramally my strongest Boston ch). I was thinking there could be some new interference between Nashua and Boston but other Boston ch on the same direction are still good so that can't be it. I'm guessing tower issues with 25 so I might check out their website and inquire there.
WFXT had moved earlier this year from the Candelabra tower to a temporary antenna on the CBS tower so that the top of the Candelabra tower could be safely rebuilt with a new master antenna. WFXT was the only remaining station there. When the new master is ready, WGBH, WGBX, WBZ, WCVB, and WSBK will move from the CBS tower to the Candelabra tower, along with WFXT. That will allow the master antenna at the top of the CBS tower to be replaced. Once that is completed, WGBX, WBZ, WCVB, and WSBK will move back to the CBS tower. They will be joined there by WNEU (NBCBoston) moving from NH, and WUTF moving from Boylston, MA. WGBH will remain on the Candelabra tower where they will be broadcasting on real ch. 5. Though not yet approved by the FCC, WUNI will probably move from Hudson, MA to the Candelabra tower.

It is possible that some work has begun on the CBS tower, affecting the signals of WBZ, WFXT, etc.
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WGBH will remain on the Candelabra tower where they will be broadcasting on real ch. 5.
Thanks for all the info Channel99. I don't have a VHF antenna any more. Bye bye WGBH!

As I recall, channel 7 which used to be NBC tried to return to VHF after the great initial ATSC upgrade and failed. Nobody wanted them on VHF and they pretty quickly returned to UHF42. What makes WGBH think this is a good idea now, 10+ years after most of us have taken down our VHF antennas?
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Thanks for all the info Channel99. I don't have a VHF antenna any more. Bye bye WGBH!

As I recall, channel 7 which used to be NBC tried to return to VHF after the great initial ATSC upgrade and failed. Nobody wanted them on VHF and they pretty quickly returned to UHF42. What makes WGBH think this is a good idea now, 10+ years after most of us have taken down our VHF antennas?
Likely WGBX will carry all the PBS subs. No need for two Boston affiliates when you have subs. PBS cashed in, will still be carried on cable, and can still fund raise as WGBH and WGBX. WENH is the best PBS affiliate in the nation and you should invest in an antenna that will pull that in if you are a PBS fan.

The nice thing about WMUR and WENH being VHF-high stations is that we can point a VHF-high antenna that way and a UHF antenna at Boston to pull in all stations without rotating the antenna. Awesome in this era of multiple TVs and unattended recording.
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WGBH had 161,723,929 reasons.

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WENH is the best PBS affiliate in the nation
Thanks for the antenna tips wizwor. If I ever want to add another antenna I will try to follow your excellent example. But I must disagree with you on WENH being the best. They ceased being a great independent PBS channel in September 2012, when they became a surrogate, re-broadcaster of WGBX. Their content is now 99% the same as WGBH/WGBX and much of the local flavor is gone, IMHO.
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but they carry all the subs. most PBS affiliates carry some subset. create, world, discover, and kids plus WGBX is better than WGBX plus Kids and Create, right?
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BTW, I am using a Stellar Labs 30-2476 plus the front of a second 30-2476 to pull in WENH and WMUR right now. The extended antenna is better than a Y10-7-13 (which is an awesome antenna).
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