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Der! Thanks for reminding me of this. lol

The DB8e uses a combiner to "blend" the two halves together. Should I use an additional two-port combiner to bring the DB8e together with the VHF antenna? Or, should I get a larger (3 or possibly 4 port) combiner and blend all of the original signals with just one device? The engineer in me says single combiner to minimize signal loss.....

Any recommendations product-wise for either the antenna or the combiner?
Don't just use a combiner. Use a VHF/UHF combiner specifically, as it filters out the correct frequencies for each and combines them for a clean signal. I believe AntennasDirect has one, or you can look on Amazon.

AntennasDirect has the Clearstream 5, which is optimized for VHF, so you could connect that to the VHF side of the VHF/UHF combiner for the ultimate setup. You're quite a distance from the transmitters, so that's probably a good option for you. Nothing can guarantee anything, but the Clearstream 5 is about as close as you can get without getting into giant outdoor rooftop antennas.
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Thanks.

I have a Clearstream 4V (which is UHV/VHF). Any possibility that I could leverage that antenna, or would adding the additional UHF be a bad thing?
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Also...

What about just adding their retrofit VHF antenna to the DB8e (it says that it is intended for that antenna, among others)? The combiner is built into it, and it appears to be exactly the same as the VHF piece on the 4V.
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Before spending money I`d try for 40. You are getting 3 of the 4 now so all you need is ABC which is 40. What is the reason for increasing VHF the options? How about 24, any signal? Can`t forget PBS.
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Yep.

24 is fine.

I'll have to loosen the bolts on one side of the DB8e and reorient it towards 40 and see what happens. It's a no-cost solution, for sure, if it works.
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What about just adding their retrofit VHF antenna to the DB8e (it says that it is intended for that antenna, among others)? The combiner is built into it, and it appears to be exactly the same as the VHF piece on the 4V.
Yeah, try the VHF part of it. I have a 2v, and it couldn't get 8 in Groton, but could in Madison, but 8 broadcasts a lot more north than east, so try it out and see what happens.

40 is fine if you're OK with an out of market ABC station (although you might actually be closer to Springfield than New Haven by distance). If you want the "full" set of locals, you're pretty much aiming for 3, 20, 24, 30, 61, and an ABC channel. If you want MyTV (whatever is even on it), that's in New Haven as well, but on UHF, so that's a bit tricky.
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Yeah, try the VHF part of it. I have a 2v, and it couldn't get 8 in Groton, but could in Madison, but 8 broadcasts a lot more north than east, so try it out and see what happens.

40 is fine if you're OK with an out of market ABC station (although you might actually be closer to Springfield than New Haven by distance). If you want the "full" set of locals, you're pretty much aiming for 3, 20, 24, 30, 61, and an ABC channel. If you want MyTV (whatever is even on it), that's in New Haven as well, but on UHF, so that's a bit tricky.
I'm more focused on the prime time programming as opposed to things like local weather and news, so out of market should be fine if that's all that I can get.

I'll tinker with it next week after the holidays when I have time.
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I'm more focused on the prime time programming as opposed to things like local weather and news, so out of market should be fine if that's all that I can get.

I'll tinker with it next week after the holidays when I have time.
Cool. Good luck!
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WTIC ADDS TWO MORE SUB-CHANNELS

On the evening of December 27th, WTIC added a network with the name "TBD" on 61-3, and Justice on 61-4.
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Oh. The channel's actual identity is TBD.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TBD_(TV_network)
IDK if I'll be watching that one much, although I hardly spend any time watching Cozi anymore since they went to the mega-bug with constant advertising.

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ARGH I hate all these stupid diginets. I wish they would just all go away, and we have could have 19.3mbps for one HD channel!
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More disappointing sub-channels.
Keep hoping for something halfway decent like MeTV but no dice.

During these frigid temps I've been getting stronger than usual reception on VHF stations like WTNH & WWLP-22 even during the day.
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The adding of those subs on the (current) Tribune station makes it sound like the Sinclair/Tribune deal is closer to being finalized

TBD is a Sinclair owned network
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If Sinclair takes over channels 20 and 61, does This TV on WCCT-TV 20-2 or Comet on WCCT-TV 20-3 go away?
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Unfortunately, out here in the Quiet Corner (Ashford) as far as I know we cannot get any local stations (WVIT, WFSB or WTNH) via an OTA antenna but I could be wrong.
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Unfortunately, out here in the Quiet Corner (Ashford) as far as I know we cannot get any local stations (WVIT, WFSB or WTNH) via an OTA antenna but I could be wrong.
Have you tried?
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If Sinclair takes over channels 20 and 61, does This TV on WCCT-TV 20-2 or Comet on WCCT-TV 20-3 go away?
Comet is a Sinclair owned diginet (as is TBD, Stadium and Charge!)
In alot of cases there is still a contract in place with the diginet so Sinclair would have to keep it or negotiate an out option.
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Unfortunately, out here in the Quiet Corner (Ashford) as far as I know we cannot get any local stations (WVIT, WFSB or WTNH) via an OTA antenna but I could be wrong.
Some locations in Ashford can certainly get some OTA stations with the right antenna, but if you live in a hollow or something, you may not be able to.
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I'm sure they can get reception in spots. Heading north and east up I-84, the Hartford FM stations start coming back in for one last gasp before fading out soon after the Massachusetts border on my Walkman (as a passenger on the bus, of course!).
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would love to get something like ME-tv or Heroes and Icons but keep getting crap on the subs, or duplication, what the world is the point of getting Cozi on Both the Ch 3 and Ch 30 diginet? Plus most of these channels look like crap on a good tv.
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What the world is the point of getting Cozi on Both the Ch 3 and Ch 30 diginet?
Plus most of these channels look like crap on a good tv.
The duplication of Cozi is because Hartford and Springfield are two separate TV markets. In Hartford, WVIT's parent company, NBC/Comcast, made the decision to put Cozi on 30-2, most likely because Cozi is also owned by NBC/Comcast. No other station in Hartford/New Haven can air Cozi.

In Springfield, Meredith for some reason chose Cozi as the diginet for channel 21-2, with CBS 3 on the main channel. Meredith has exclusivity for Cozi in Springfield.

Being able to receive both Hartford and Springfield stations, I had hoped that there would be more of a variety of choices as far as the diginets and programs in each market. But as you mentioned, it turns out the Springfield stations are picking up the same networks that are already available in Hartford, rather than choosing the diginets that don't have clearance in either market (like MeTV).

Consolidation of ownership isn't going to help this problem. The decisions about what diginets are going to be carried appear to be made at the corporate rather than the local level. I think that Sinclair would be inclined eventually to put the diginets that it owns on its stations instead of diginets from competing companies. It could then tell advertisers about the reach that its diginets have as far as potential viewing households.

Starting in January, local stations can voluntarily begin phasing in ATSC 3.0, although there are still some technical standards that committees have to agree on. The FCC approved it in November. From what I've read, with this new broadcasting method a station would be able to fit even more diginets on its bandwidth than it can fit now, in addition to having 4K on the primary channel. But it looks like the choices will still be limited for the viewer if the station groups pick up only the networks that they have a vested interest in carrying, and ignore what viewers would like to see.

About the look of those 480i diginets, the head of engineering for the Tribune Company said in an article that if one of its stations had a need for parts, the local engineer could go to the nearest Best Buy to get what was needed. I think that he was suggesting that their air chain was designed with simplicity of repair in mind along with cost-cutting. When I read that, I thought maybe that's the reason why there is a graininess and lack of sharpness on their diginet Antenna TV. The article seemed to imply that they are using consumer grade equipment rather than professional broadcast-quality equipment.

As of yesterday I noticed that the shows on Antenna TV now include a description of what the program is about (when "Info" is selected on the remote). Antenna TV in Chicago supplies this information to its affiliates, but for some reason WTIC has not been including it in its over-the-air signal for about the last four years. Maybe when the station added 61-3 and 61-4 the day before, it caused them to do some housekeeping with the air chain and the problem with the lack of show descriptions on 61-2 was fixed.
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Oh boy. Another Spanish channel. Telexitos on 30.4. I guess NBC figures half of Connecticut speaks Spanish. That's not as bad as WMRQ 104.4 FM HD who has only 1 English program and 3 Spanish.

Regarding duplicate diginets in Hartford and Springfield; they don't care a whole lot about OTA, it's cable & satellite that still has most viewers.

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Oh boy. Another Spanish channel. Telexitos on 30.4. I guess NBC figures half of Connecticut speaks Spanish. That's not as bad as WMRQ 104.4 FM HD who has only 1 English program and 3 Spanish.
So? WMRQ FM and HD1 is the best radio station in the market. Who cares if they carry some Spanish feeds on their HD2, HD3, and HD4 feeds that most people can't receive anyway? My guess is that spanish speaking households are clustered in areas that have good OTA reception and have higher OTA penetration that English-speaking households. I hate all subchannels equally, English or Spanish, as they are all robbing precious megabits away from that 19.3mbps total bandwidth.
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Regarding duplicate diginets in Hartford and Springfield; they don't care a whole lot about OTA, it's cable & satellite that still has most viewers.[/QUOTE]

As the trend in cord cutting grows I think stations will have to pay more attention to OTA. I'm seeing more ads for TV antennas and I think that is a sign that the market is growing. I do realize the convenience of cable is tough to beat but their system of bundles and retention deals is getting old and expensive.
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The trend towards cord-cutting nationwide is definitely going to continue, if not accelerate from where it is now. At some point, Comcast, Verizon, and others might finally give up on offering TV below cost in bundles just to try and break even on box fees and other fees, and when they finally start getting rid of the ridiculous 2-year deals, cord cutting will happen even faster.

Hartford-New Haven has a high penetration of pay tv, partly because we are a relatively affluent market, and cord cutting is partly driven by costs, partly because we are sprawled out, and a lot of areas don't have good antenna reception, maybe a little bit because Women's basketball is our state sport, unlike many other areas where NFL is the big thing, and a bit because we have a split UHF/VHF market with multiple broadcast locations that aren't anywhere near each other, making OTA reception harder. Cord cutting is still happening here though, and will continue to happen as more people realize how ridiculously expensive pay tv is.
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I ran a TV Fool report for the heck of it. I'm not presently at the New Britain address I used:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...60ed50275a1c68

Did a couple of the channels change? Also, I don't see WCCT-TV (CW) channel 20 on this list?
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Oh boy. Another Spanish channel. Telexitos on 30.4. I guess NBC figures half of Connecticut speaks Spanish. That's not as bad as WMRQ 104.4 FM HD who has only 1 English program and 3 Spanish.

Regarding duplicate diginets in Hartford and Springfield; they don't care a whole lot about OTA, it's cable & satellite that still has most viewers.
Ethnic channels may have a small audience but they are generally very loyal and only watch the few OTA channels available to them. We all know people with older relatives that pay for cable then have a $20 a month international premium channel from their home country and that is all they watch.

And besides, NBC/Comcast puts Telexitos on all of it's owned & operated stations including NYC, Chicago, LA, DC. Their cookie cutter approach is NBC, Cozi, Telemundo, Telexitos.
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Did a couple of the channels change? Also, I don't see WCCT-TV (CW) channel 20 on this list?
tvfool has a glitch where some stations that are moving RF frequencies dont show up on the list
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Wonder if we'll see more Standalone Apps ala Comet for Diginets in 2018
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Looks like WUVN, WGTH and WHCT (18 (43)) has gone dark. Lot of history on that frequency in Hartford with the first pay-tv system, and the adventures of Dr. Gene Scott. Where are we going to see the Dumont programming now?

I've still got a Hartford Whalers watch that says "Watch WHCT-TV 18" on it. The value of that should skyrocket now.

I'm also not getting 43. Is that what got put on 30-4?

Also, while this isn't Hartford specific, I see Antenna TV appears to have acquired enough programming that they don't need to run the same show multiple times in a row like Laff and Ion do.

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