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post #11821 of 12661 Old 10-13-2017, 05:41 PM
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The FM Fool report indicates very strong signals nearby, including Paris Mountain. And several FM stations from Charlotte also come in strong. I am going to add more FM traps, because I connected the UHF antenna to the radio, and in spite of the UVSJ and FM trap, I am still getting FM stations coming through. But are there any FM channels that cause bad harmonics or interference with RF22? Although WCNC has a side mounted directional antenna with a bit of a null, I still get it reliably at my own residence which is further away than my sister's house. And it used to come in good over there also. I just wonder if all these new FM translator stations they have added in recent years could be creating a problem, and I think a few others such as 95.9 may have increased power. Still trying to troubleshoot. Although in a few years things will be changing when the channels move, but the current set up should still work except for perhaps a few isolated issues that may need to be resolved when the time comes. I am also going to replace the CM-Amplify with a Juice preamp and see if that helps better with the overload.
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Looking for antenna advise

Looking for some advice on antenna(s). Jumping into cutting the cord for the first time but still need to be able to get the main networks. According to TV Fool both UHF and VHF-Hi are going to be needed but all channels seem to be between 304° and 1°. A few more channels are at 6° but those are just bonus channels if receivable.

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Outdoor antenna(s) mounted on the roof or to the eve should be fine with the wife. This will put the antenna(s) around 25’ off the ground. Aesthetics are a concern but only slightly. As the back of the house faces 300° the roof system will hide the antenna(s) as long as the don’t have to be mounted above the ridge of the roof. Last concern is the antenna(s) will feed multiple TV’s watching different channels at the same time so a rotating mount is out of the question.

What would be the best plan of attack for these needs? Would two antenna’s be better than one or not? What antenna(s) would you suggest?

First thoughts after a lot of reading are ether the DB8e or DB4E and a 30-2440 from mcm or a single Winegard HD7694P (the HD7698P seems to big). If two antenna’s how do you hook them together? What preamps are best for each application?

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Ryan....I am in the process of answering your other post in the 'technical' section but needed 1 more post so that I an add my TVFool link to it.....so this is just a heads-up to check there and to give me the extra posting that I needed to add the link.

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Anyone else notice that WMYA DT 40 OTA is off the air, and has been since late last night.
The station has been leaving the air off schedule around 11 PM and today did not return to the air as far as I can tell. I've checked at 4, 6, and 8 PM and no sign of a signal at all. I checked the actual channel 14.1 RF and no sign of them. I wonder what's going on? I noticed that for weeks the
sub channel called Charge TV on 40.4 has been going dark at around 10 PM and usually didn't return until the next day. It's one of the only good things on WMYA too.



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Often WSPA and WBTV will air different NFL games from CBS. I don't know exactly how that is decided, but in parts of the Upstate you can choose if you have an antenna.
Same thing this week. WHNS is showing New Orleans at Green Bay, but WJZY is showing Dallas at San Fransisco. Maybe because WJZY doesn't want to compete with the Panthers game at 1.
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Anyone else notice that WMYA DT 40 OTA is off the air, and has been since late last night.
The station has been leaving the air off schedule around 11 PM and today did not return to the air as far as I can tell. I've checked at 4, 6, and 8 PM and no sign of a signal at all. I checked the actual channel 14.1 RF and no sign of them. I wonder what's going on? I noticed that for weeks the
sub channel called Charge TV on 40.4 has been going dark at around 10 PM and usually didn't return until the next day. It's one of the only good things on WMYA too.



Hmm...I wonder what's going on. I watched Harry this morning at 10 on 13.2. It's 11:30pm right now. Their main channel is up and running on 13.2, but I'm not getting anything from WMYA itself. I wonder if they're doing some sort of technical work. I even checked their future channel 35, nothing there.

EDIT...at 9am this morning they were back on the air. Most TV stations would post any major technical work they were doing on the website. But, Sinclair never does that or even admits there are technical problems. So, I guess there's no way to figure out what they're doing. I looked at the website for the radio station they share that tower with, nothing there either.

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Hmm...I wonder what's going on. I watched Harry this morning at 10 on 13.2. It's 11:30pm right now. Their main channel is up and running on 13.2, but I'm not getting anything from WMYA itself. I wonder if they're doing some sort of technical work. I even checked their future channel 35, nothing there.

EDIT...at 9am this morning they were back on the air. Most TV stations would post any major technical work they were doing on the website. But, Sinclair never does that or even admits there are technical problems. So, I guess there's no way to figure out what they're doing. I looked at the website for the radio station they share that tower with, nothing there either.
Yes, I've noticed that things seem to have returned to normal operation since last week. Like you said maybe they are doing testing for when they have to move their transmitter frequency to CH 35.

For those speaking about NFL games on the networks. I remember back when I was in Philly, PA, (mid 80s to mid 90s) the at the time NBC affiliate KYW TV 3 would actually let viewers vote on which game they wanted to see (out of as many as 12 offerings) the following week by calling in to a 1 800 number! (Our home team was NFC Eagles, and at the time CBS carried only NFC games while NBC carried AFC games) We got to see all kinds of out of market matches and many were far better than what the regional NBC default feed provided. So kudos to the fans that helped to get us those better games.
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Some interesting tidbits have popped up in the FCC Filings. WYCW has filed an application asking the FCC to grant them a three month extension before they are required to cease broadcasting under their channel sharing agreement. If the delay is granted they will cease operations on April 23, 2018 instead of January 23, 2018. It appears they are going to keep subchannels when they combine the two, and are planning to upgrade encoders:

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both WYCW and WSPA-TV to provide the best over-the-air experience to their viewers by
providing a better-quality signal (with increased bandwidth and lower compression), including the
continued broadcast of free multicast streams on both stations. In addition, Nexstar is attempting
to obtain the highest-possible quality encoders and then configure those encoders as optimally as
possible. The more time Nexstar has to optimize the configuration with live programming, the
better the viewing experience will be when the channel sharing arrangement implements.
It doesn't appear that WRET has filed such an application, so it looks like they will go off air near the end of January next year.
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Some interesting tidbits have popped up in the FCC Filings. WYCW has filed an application asking the FCC to grant them a three month extension before they are required to cease broadcasting under their channel sharing agreement. If the delay is granted they will cease operations on April 23, 2018 instead of January 23, 2018. It appears they are going to keep subchannels when they combine the two, and are planning to upgrade encoders:



It doesn't appear that WRET has filed such an application, so it looks like they will go off air near the end of January next year.
That would mean UNC-TV's WUNF would be delayed in it's move to channel 20, since they are taking over WYCW's tower site.
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Some interesting tidbits have popped up in the FCC Filings. WYCW has filed an application asking the FCC to grant them a three month extension before they are required to cease broadcasting under their channel sharing agreement. If the delay is granted they will cease operations on April 23, 2018 instead of January 23, 2018. It appears they are going to keep subchannels when they combine the two, and are planning to upgrade encoders:



It doesn't appear that WRET has filed such an application, so it looks like they will go off air near the end of January next year.
I hope they don't starve the bitrate too bad on WSPA with all those subchannels. It may be better to watch WBTV for CBS-HD unless the new encoders are better. I would prefer they keep CBS in 1080i, CW in 720p, and MeTV 480i and that would be enough. Unless they upgrade to ATSC 3.0 and that has yet to be determined.
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While visiting my in laws today I noticed that YouTube TV has now added WLOS in our market. Now they carry ABC, NBC, and Fox live. WSPA is the only holdout at this point
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I've always wondered how the local stations handled 9/11 in 2001. Did they simply air the network feed, or did they do anything local?
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I've always wondered how the local stations handled 9/11 in 2001. Did they simply air the network feed, or did they do anything local?
I didn't remember those days were such a blur. CBS had wall to wall coverage. I asked our News Director at the time and she thinks they gave us a short local cut away for local headlines around 6pm.
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For those in the Upstate who may view alternative CBS or Charlotte programming on WBTV, it has been mentioned in the Charlotte thread that apparently WBTV is operating at reduced power until the end of the year, as they will be replacing their transmitter. But despite the 75% reduced power, I am still receiving a strong signal for WBTV in northern Greenville County. But if your antenna is aimed for the GSP stations, or you have an indoor antenna, it may be more problematic to receive WBTV until repairs are made. Normally they have a very strong signal in the Upstate and will be one of the few stations remaining at full 1000kw power after the repack. WBTV-3 will also remain on channel 23.
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Up until a couple of weeks ago, Rabbitears.info had technical information for a station in Athens (as a LAFF-TV affiliate) and two in Augusta (both licensed to DTV America) listed under its Greenville-Spartanburg market station listings. Those listings have since disappeared. I e-mailed DTV America a month or so ago asking when those stations would be on the air. I got an "I'll ask somebody" response, but never heard anything more. Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson is still listed on the DTV America website as one of "our" markets. It would be nice to get some more OTA options.

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Up until a couple of weeks ago, Rabbitears.info had technical information for a station in Athens (as a LAFF-TV affiliate) and two in Augusta (both licensed to DTV America) listed under its Greenville-Spartanburg market station listings. Those listings have since disappeared. I e-mailed DTV America a month or so ago asking when those stations would be on the air. I got an "I'll ask somebody" response, but never heard anything more. Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson is still listed on the DTV America website as one of "our" markets. It would be nice to get some more OTA options.
I seen on charlotte ota fourm where Laff maybe moving from Wsoc//waxn to wjzy 46.4 as wjzy 46 has strong signal in Spartanburg
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That would mean UNC-TV's WUNF would be delayed in it's move to channel 20, since they are taking over WYCW's tower site.
The FCC has approved WYCW's request for a 90-day extension, so their channel sharing with WSPA likely won't begin until late April next year now.
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WUNF isn't scheduled to transition until August-September 2019, so I doubt the extension for WYCW will be an issue.
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WUNF isn't scheduled to transition until August-September 2019, so I doubt the extension for WYCW will be an issue.
I think that's great news. WYCW's tower site is problematic for me. Too many mountains between me and them in Pickens County. I'd like them to stay on the WLOS tower as long as possible.
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The FCC has approved WYCW's request for a 90-day extension, so their channel sharing with WSPA likely won't begin until late April next year now.
I think WRET-49, the SCETV channel for Spartanburg on RF43, is still scheduled to go dark soon after the first of the year, unless I am mistaken. But since there is large overlap with WNTV-29 from Greenville, there should be no major loss of coverage for SCETV. But perhaps change to rabbit ears instead of a UHF antenna. Eventually WNTV will move from RF9 to RF8. So if UNC-TV reception is problematic after WUNF moves to the WYCW tower, there is still PBS coverage from SCETV, since UNC-TV theoretically is designed to serve Asheville and NC.
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I think WRET-49, the SCETV channel for Spartanburg on RF43, is still scheduled to go dark soon after the first of the year, unless I am mistaken. But since there is large overlap with WNTV-29 from Greenville, there should be no major loss of coverage for SCETV. But perhaps change to rabbit ears instead of a UHF antenna. Eventually WNTV will move from RF9 to RF8. So if UNC-TV reception is problematic after WUNF moves to the WYCW tower, there is still PBS coverage from SCETV, since UNC-TV theoretically is designed to serve Asheville and NC.
The problem for me is UNC-TV's Explorer Channel is far and away superior to any of ETV's offerings.
As for the main channel, it doesn't really matter which one I get. Four nights a week they're exactly the same.
UNC does run As Time Goes By and Keeping Up Appearances. But, I could buy the DVDs of those shows.
UNC-EX runs shows ETV doesn't air, that I'd miss.

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I think WRET-49, the SCETV channel for Spartanburg on RF43, is still scheduled to go dark soon after the first of the year, unless I am mistaken. But since there is large overlap with WNTV-29 from Greenville, there should be no major loss of coverage for SCETV. But perhaps change to rabbit ears instead of a UHF antenna. Eventually WNTV will move from RF9 to RF8. So if UNC-TV reception is problematic after WUNF moves to the WYCW tower, there is still PBS coverage from SCETV, since UNC-TV theoretically is designed to serve Asheville and NC.
There aren't any filings for WRET that I could find, so it appears they haven't asked for an extension. WNTV has filed a request to increase power when they go to channel 8 to increase their coverage area, but that is still "pending" before the FCC. The Red line is their "approved" construction permit, while the Blue line is their "proposal". It would be helpful for those of us on the fringes.
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SCETV's requests to backfill the loss of WRET are notable in a few ways.

First, the WNTV application would involve a change in antenna pattern, as you can probably tell. This is that pattern: https://www.rabbitears.info/pattern....on=305&erp=208

Second, they've asked for 208 kW for WNTV. That is well above the 160 kW limit for high-VHF, but they've justified it reasonably well by citing actual FCC rules rather than just saying "VHF is bad." We'll see if the Media Bureau agrees. If approved, WNTV would become the most powerful VHF station in the US, beating out the current holder of that title, WLJC in Beattyville, KY with 185 kW.

Third, WNTV wasn't the only one to seek an increase. WNSC asked to change antenna patterns and boost to 1000 kW. Proposed coverage: https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....=2007708&map=Y New antenna: https://www.rabbitears.info/pattern....n=285&erp=1000 (The odd point at the bottom looks like a typo.)

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SCETV's requests to backfill the loss of WRET are notable in a few ways.

First, the WNTV application would involve a change in antenna pattern, as you can probably tell. This is that pattern: https://www.rabbitears.info/pattern....on=305&erp=208

Second, they've asked for 208 kW for WNTV. That is well above the 160 kW limit for high-VHF, but they've justified it reasonably well by citing actual FCC rules rather than just saying "VHF is bad." We'll see if the Media Bureau agrees. If approved, WNTV would become the most powerful VHF station in the US, beating out the current holder of that title, WLJC in Beattyville, KY with 185 kW.

Third, WNTV wasn't the only one to seek an increase. WNSC asked to change antenna patterns and boost to 1000 kW. Proposed coverage: https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....=2007708&map=Y New antenna: https://www.rabbitears.info/pattern....n=285&erp=1000 (The odd point at the bottom looks like a typo.)

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Does the FCC have a set date to rule on all of these power level requests from the various stations?
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Would be nice to see a boost and pattern change for WNSC. I can receive WRET better than WNSC, can only receive WNTV pointed directly at it, but it does break up some. If they get approved for the power boost, should be good to go.
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Does the FCC have a set date to rule on all of these power level requests from the various stations?
I think the goal is "as quickly as possible". There were more than 600 applications filed, so it takes time to process them all, and it depends on whether or not they conflict with each other, etc.

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Would be nice to see a boost and pattern change for WNSC. I can receive WRET better than WNSC, can only receive WNTV pointed directly at it, but it does break up some. If they get approved for the power boost, should be good to go.
If both SCETV stations increase power, looks like there will be a good bit of overlap between Rock Hill and Spartanburg, including Gaffney. And since I live very near Paris Mountain, I will definitely use strong VHF filters to block WNTV and WSPA before the preamp, because otherwise I will likely have overload problems and dropouts on the other channels. Because my current UHF antennas currently receive WNTV and WSPA with strong signals, I use a UVSJ to block them before the preamp. That way I still get all the GSP UHF signals, as well as the Charlotte UHF signals from Gaston County. I use a separate UVSJ down the line to splice in WSPA, WNTV, and WLOS and they all go into a Channel Master distro amp combined with the UHF antenna to split to 4 TVs. Not sure it is necessary for WNTV to increase power that much to maintain their current coverage area, especially if WNSC increases also.

Does anyone know if any other Greenville-Spartanburg or Charlotte channels have requested to increase power? It seems WJZY and WSOC may be a bit low, but supposedly they are designed to mostly maintain their current coverage area. But since it is unclear if WSOC will keep a Shelby translator, it looks like they may need a bit more power to serve the areas west of Charlotte. Because currently WSOC does not go as far west as WBTV and the Dallas signals, and areas such as Shelby and Morganton are part of their designated area.
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If both SCETV stations increase power, looks like there will be a good bit of overlap between Rock Hill and Spartanburg, including Gaffney. And since I live very near Paris Mountain, I will definitely use strong VHF filters to block WNTV and WSPA before the preamp, because otherwise I will likely have overload problems and dropouts on the other channels. Because my current UHF antennas currently receive WNTV and WSPA with strong signals, I use a UVSJ to block them before the preamp. That way I still get all the GSP UHF signals, as well as the Charlotte UHF signals from Gaston County. I use a separate UVSJ down the line to splice in WSPA, WNTV, and WLOS and they all go into a Channel Master distro amp combined with the UHF antenna to split to 4 TVs. Not sure it is necessary for WNTV to increase power that much to maintain their current coverage area, especially if WNSC increases also.

Does anyone know if any other Greenville-Spartanburg or Charlotte channels have requested to increase power? It seems WJZY and WSOC may be a bit low, but supposedly they are designed to mostly maintain their current coverage area. But since it is unclear if WSOC will keep a Shelby translator, it looks like they may need a bit more power to serve the areas west of Charlotte. Because currently WSOC does not go as far west as WBTV and the Dallas signals, and areas such as Shelby and Morganton are part of their designated area.
Haven't heard of any power increases or rumors yet.
I hope WSOC-CR moves or goes away, as channel 30 will be WYFF's new home. My situation is quiet the opposite with the Dallas signals, being 9 miles away, I have to keep my antenna turned away from that direction or they overload on me. Even pointed directly at WYFF right now, I'm getting 100% signal on WCNC , WJZY, and WSOC-CR, with a SNR of close to 33dB. WBTV and WMYT bounce between 85 and 100 with a 30dB SNR.
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