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RobertCooper 12-11-2003 08:21 PM

Well... the 2003 thread was about 500+ posts long, so I figured it was time to start another!! For anyone new, please see the "Central TX HDTV Status" link for up-to-date info on our local HD offerings.

Dr. Joe's ORIGINAL Central Texas thread

Rob's 2003 Austin TX HDTV Thread

Central TX HDTV Status

-Rob

EvilFoo 12-11-2003 09:06 PM

Good stuff. Want more HD. Tired to say other things.

utstimpy 12-12-2003 03:26 AM

Someone go b!tch slap the person in charge over at NBC so they'll give TWC the go. I want my ER in HD damnit!

austinsho 12-12-2003 07:57 PM

I'd rather slap the lurkers over at FOX MANAGEMENT who keep KTBC down at low power!

And a BIG slap to TWC for providing me with TWO defective HD boxes in two days.

chi_in_austin 12-12-2003 09:04 PM

This is my first post on this forum after several years of lurking and spending too much money base on the advice of other forum members. And money went spent I will add. Now that I finally got an HD display device, I better start following this thread. I tried to read the "2003" many times but never got through. Glad to see a new start.
Anyway, does anyone else here have experience with the Pioneer OTA HD tuner that came with the Pro1110. I keep getting signals from stations in all shape and sized with changes throughout the day. Only CBS seem to consistently fille 16:9 aspect ratio. I am sorry if this is a dumb question. I am very new to all this stuff but very excited to learn from you all.

utstimpy 12-12-2003 10:23 PM

(I don't have any experience with OTA so this may be completely wrong, but I'm just trying to help )

A lot of programming is still not HD right now, so I would guess they are transmitting SD 4:3 stuff to you. Use your TVs stretch modes to make it fill the screen.


EDIT:

link to the end of the old thread

Paul Bigelow 12-13-2003 08:08 AM

"The Young and the Restless" is the only "Big Three" 16:9 HD daytime programming that I'm aware of. Otherwise, it's upconverted 480i and 4:3. Some OTA (like the Zenith) will allow one to set the scaling/ratio. However (as I understand it), the station can determine that the aspect can't be altered. That's why the 24-2 (radar) can be rescaled whereas 24-1 cannot.

JimboG 12-13-2003 10:38 PM

Rob,

Here's a couple updates on the HDTV scene here in San Antonio. Our PBS station, KLRN-DT, is multicasting two channels during the day and during the evening. Our local Sinclair-owned Fox and WB affiliates are transmitting 480i upconverts with worse audio and video quality than the traditional analog channels.

Also, KLRN, KABB and KRRT are all operating at significantly reduced power. Once the San Antonio stations go full power one should be able to view the reliably from San Marcos, perhaps even from further north.

Jim

P.S. Hope your local Fox station gets their act together soon. I'd like for at least one of the Fox stations in Central Texas to not suck.

RobertCooper 12-14-2003 01:29 PM

Jim,

Thanks for the info... I'll be sure to update the lists soon.

Yeah... I hope Fox quits sucking soon. 720p and increased power would be very nice.

minivette 12-14-2003 05:24 PM

hrmmm... anyone else getting INHD on TW? (1601) I was flipping channels and it's on now. Also, anyone else have the HD cahnnels not showing the picture last night and this morning? Everything is working now though, just curious...

minivette 12-15-2003 05:29 AM

HDNET seems to only have been turned on for the NBA game last night. Although is was still on about an hour after the game. Now, I checked this morning and FOXHD was turned on but there was no picture. This is kinda confusing if you don't keep on top of it, that's for sure.

kkramer25 12-15-2003 06:42 AM

anyone doing OTA in Steiner Ranch...? which antenna are you using, thanks.... i searched the 2003 thread and some of you had some issues back before summer.

utstimpy 12-15-2003 04:14 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by minivette
HDNET


You mean INHD?

minivette 12-15-2003 05:32 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by utstimpy
You mean INHD?

Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry.

paulbehnke 12-15-2003 06:50 PM

Minivette, never say "sorry" to an infallible bully. It's just what he wants. You're justing wasting time and energy...we all knew what you meant even if they are not in the glossary!

utstimpy 12-15-2003 07:04 PM

Either I'm missing the sarcasm or that came completely out of left field

minivette 12-15-2003 08:03 PM

I just meant "sorry" as in I was sorry if I created any confusion as to exactly what I saw, that's all.

pdog 12-15-2003 08:46 PM

You're not the only one confused.

Quote:


Originally posted by utstimpy
Either I'm missing the sarcasm or that came completely out of left field


RobertCooper 12-15-2003 09:17 PM

Yeah... UTStimpy... I don't know where that left field comment came frome!

Paul, UTS has been around here enough for us to know that he was just correcting some mis-information, NOT being an "infallable bully". Not to mention --> with the speed at which I scan these threads, a correction like that is good, b/c otherwise I might accidentally commit some mis-info to memory, and then screw it up in the future.

JimboG 12-16-2003 04:16 AM

I think Paul was just pulling your chain. He's been quite friendly in the San Antonio threads. I don't think there was any harm intended. Although the smilies are useful for that sort of comment...

Jim

mark34 12-16-2003 11:35 AM

I just set up a DirecTV / OTA combo for HD (Samsung 160) in Austin. I live in West Lake, quite close to the towers. I get excellent reception of NBC and CBS HD but do not get KVUE (ABC). Are they broadcasting over the air? Any thoughts on why I might not get KVUE?

Thanks in advance for your help. I read through the threads at one time and this may have been addresses; if so I apologize.

Mark

RobertCooper 12-16-2003 05:00 PM

Mark,

Please check the huge link in the first post. You will see that KVUE is broadcasting at a respectible power level. Unless you live in some sort of "no-mans-land" for ABC's transmission pattern, you should receive ABC no problem.

Try tweaking your antenna directions a bit... that may help. Make sure you have done an AUTO scan, or check channel 24 or 33.

Also, check to see if you can get PBS.... it is at a similar power to ABC, and it's on the same tower.

If none of those work... well... ask for more help and I'll do more thinking.

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!!

mark34 12-16-2003 06:32 PM

Thanks for the reply. I will mess with the antenna. I cannot get PBS either.

John Ard 12-19-2003 07:07 AM

HDnet and HDNet Movies soon to be added to TWC. Check the HDNet website for the press release. Over on the HDTV-Programming threads, a guy in San Antonio mentions it's already available in thier market.

Nice additon! When it will be available in Austin is anyone's guess.

Don't bother calling TW-Austin. I tried (against my better judgement) and they had no idea as usual. It's funny, the folks on these threads know more about what's going on than they do. They should just forward callers to AVS Fourm.

JA

kkramer25 12-19-2003 07:52 AM

anyone... please tell me what antenna you are using with your OTA. thanks.....i supposedly need a "yellow" zone one and i am in Steiner Ranch, so about 10 miles from the towers.. thanks..

Paul Bigelow 12-19-2003 12:47 PM

Hello,

Silver Sensor, Radio Shack double bow-tie, Radio Shack U-75.

Best regards,

Paul Bigelow

MurrayW 12-19-2003 10:24 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by kkramer25
anyone... please tell me what antenna you are using with your OTA. thanks.....i supposedly need a "yellow" zone one and i am in Steiner Ranch, so about 10 miles from the towers.. thanks..

I live in the Oak Hill area and have a Channel Master 4221 on my roof and a RS Double bow tie in my attic. I can get all the local Austin channels with my bow tie except for FOX. The CM 4221 pulls in Fox with occasional dropouts on my RCA DTC-100 but I only get an indication of a faint signal on my HiPix HD card in my computer and no picture or sound for Fox using the CM 4221. So both the antenna and HD decoding device make a difference in my area.

Murray

ChuckDogg 12-20-2003 07:39 PM

I am almost in Cedar Park and use a CM3021 mounted in my attic. I can pull in all of the locals without problem except for FOX. I am using an 811 to decode the OTA signals.

RobertCooper 12-21-2003 04:30 AM

I have an Antenaa Craft (well... equivalent) AC9. Bout it for $15 a Fry's way back when. I use it with a 10dB in-line Radio Shack amp (which you can get an equivalent model w/o the RS name at Fry's for $15).

I have them mounted in the attic. I can pull in EVERYTHING except fox, which I"m not even going to waste effort on.

I used to have a CM4228 with CM7777 preamp in the attic so that I could pick up the low power CBS, but now that everythign is higher power, I sold it and went back to the low budget antenna/amp.

The only thing that gives me hiccups is ABC on occasion, and sometimes I think it is the broadcast rather than my reception.

RobertCooper 12-21-2003 05:15 AM

Update to the Summary, but mainly for the San Antonio folks based on information from JIMBO and an email from a WOAI employee.

utstimpy 12-21-2003 05:31 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by RobertCooper
Update to the Summary, but mainly for the San Antonio folks based on information from JIMBO and an email from a WOAI employee.

on there you say that PBS is available on TWC on 1541. I wasn't aware that it was on TWC yet, furthermore, I just checked 1541 and its not coming in.

eochs 12-21-2003 07:36 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by utstimpy
on there you say that PBS is available on TWC on 1541. I wasn't aware that it was on TWC yet, furthermore, I just checked 1541 and its not coming in.

It is coming in January on 1541...

Also in January, HDNet and HDNet Movies... I assume these will be on channel 1605 and 1606...

davemg 12-21-2003 09:30 AM

I'm currently using a Silver Sensor and can receive local channels but have to turn the antenna in different directions at different times and on different days.

For those with attic mounted antennas, do you have to use a rotor? Its always the case that I have to turn the SS 90 degrees to receive KXAN-DT. I plan on looking at the 3021 or 4221 antennas but want to know whether I will still need the ability to rotate it?

Any help. -- and btw, I'm in Leander.

RobertCooper 12-21-2003 12:16 PM

davemg,

since all the local (Austin) towers are all on the same hill, you should only need to point your antenna in one direction. Since you are so far away, any angle changes should be so small that a single antenna positioning should do well for you.

Now you must realize that with the different powers and transmission patterns of antennae, you may just have a hard time picking up one station or another.

davemg 12-21-2003 03:16 PM

Robert,

Thanks for the answer. The reason I am skeptical about mounting an antenna without a rotor is simply that I can receive 54, 42 and 24 without any problems, except on some days I need to point my Silver Sensor in a completely different direction than other days. This is what has me confused because I'm pretty darn certain they arent moving the tower!

RobertCooper 12-21-2003 07:40 PM

I guess you could be experiencing multipath issues?!

Can you get Channel 18 (KLRU)? And why are you not seeing 21 / 36 (NBC)?? THat seems a bit strange. Do you live at a lower elevation than the houses around you? Do you have any large objects (hills, buildings, towers, etc) between you and TV towers in WestLake?

John Ard 12-22-2003 08:18 AM

All,

Check out this post below from another thread over at HD-Programming. Of course the accuracy of something like this is arguable. But, if this is the case, can TWC-Austin be far behind? TWC in other areas do seem to be a little early on bringing on new content. It looks like many areas already have HDNet. When you are a sports junkie like myself, you hang your hat on any positive news!

The first quarter could be awesome as far as content, if we get a little lucky.

JA

"ESPN will be added to the HD-Tier!
I just added the $6.95 per month HD-tier in Raleigh NC(TWC-NC). We only get the two IN-HD channels right now but the picture quality is phenomenal. The Lakers game was outstanding. The Time Warner guy said that they would add the HD-NET channels to the tier at no extra charge early next year. However, he also said that they were going to add the ESPN HD channel to the HD-tier. He said that they hadn’t decided on a release date but that it would be sometime in Q1 2004 and that you would have to buy the HD-tier to get it. That is good and bad news. At least will have ESPN HD soon but we are going to have to pay more for it."

davemg 12-22-2003 07:32 PM

Robert -- I do live in Leander about a third of the way down a hill. I can receive 36 but I have to turn the antenna a completely different direction from where all the other channels come in strongest ---- I cannot recieve 18 or 7.

bonoc 12-26-2003 05:37 AM

Has anyone heard any word as to when KLRU will be "flicking the HD switch" ?

RussellC 12-27-2003 04:41 PM

I finally switched my 3100HD for a 3250HD from TW. I can not get the thing to work for the life of me. I have been on with tech support about 5 times today and none of them can get it to work. It just won't get their signal. It just sits there with 4 dashes on the box and the tv says Not authorized or something. Hence to say I have a service call for them to come out to my place and take care of it. The funny thing is, is that I got a 3250HD box for my parents at the same time and theirs has the exact same problem. Anyone else had this issue before?

-Russell

utstimpy 12-28-2003 12:13 AM

Russell, I had a similar problem. Do you have more than 1 cable box in your house? I have 2, and when I got the HD box, they sent the signal to the other box. I kept calling tech support, they would mess with something on their end, tell me to leave it off for 5 minutes, then turn it on, if it doesn't work, call back again.

Finally on the 4th call I got someone who actually sounded intelligent right from the beginning. Within about 15 seconds he said "Oh sorry, they were sending the signal to your other box, try it now" and it worked.

RussellC 12-28-2003 02:08 PM

Thank a bunch. I finally made sure to talk to an HDTV tech and he got it working. Seems I have a borderline signal to my new house so they are coming by tomorrow to give it a boost. Thanks for the help.

-Russell

Animgif 12-28-2003 06:16 PM

Is there any word on when TWC-Austin is getting the 8100HD? I called support and they had no idea...

utstimpy 12-28-2003 11:06 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by Animgif
Is there any word on when TWC-Austin is getting the 8100HD? I called support and they had no idea...


The last thing I remember posted here was around last August, and a guy from TWC said they hoped to have it out before the end of the year...


Come on TW, 2 more days!!

NavinRJohnson 12-30-2003 08:51 AM

kkramer: I also am in Steiner Ranch. I have an attic-mount, non-rotored Radio Shack antenna. It's a large one - don't remember the model no but it's about 12' long and 15' wide at its widest on the VHF end, with a large UHF array in the front.

I can get KLRU, KVUE, KXAN, KEYE, and KNVA with very strong signal levels with this setup. Before KEYE went full power a few months back I still could pull them in at about a 35% strength, which was watchable with occasional dropouts. Now they are all consistently above 90% on the strength meter.

I cannot get reception from any of the nearby cities where HD is broadcast. Perhaps with a rotor I could, but I have the antenna fixed pointing toward the Austin tower array.

I have a Samsung SIR T-160 receiver, and subscribe to the DirecTV HD package as well.

-NRJ

chris_fowler99 12-30-2003 08:56 AM

It appears that at least a few of you are getting good (at least reasonable) OTA HD reception in Georgetown.

I should be closing on my new house tomorrow in southwest Georgetown, off of Leander Road (2243). I'll be picking up a 61" Samsung DLP HDTV as I move, moving my DirecTV over and setting up an OTA antenna. The problem is I have no idea which antenna to buy.

According to AntennaWeb I need blue-uhf to get WB and violet-uhf to get PBS, ABC and NBC all at 189 degrees (what about FOX and CBS? )

I plan on getting an outdoor antenna. Can anyone recommend an antenna and maybe an installer?

RussellC 12-30-2003 09:09 AM

Wow, cool. Seems there are a few of you in Steiner Ranch. I just moved up there last month.

themarshall 12-31-2003 08:05 AM

Chris,
You might want to check the 2003 thread for some details but the short of it is that you won't be getting Fox OTA in Georgetown no matter what antenna you use. I'm not sure about CBS but the Fox signal is so weak you practically have to live in the shadow of the antenna to pick it up.

karlpoe 12-31-2003 08:59 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by chris_fowler99
It appears that at least a few of you are getting good (at least reasonable) OTA HD reception in Georgetown.

I should be closing on my new house tomorrow in southwest Georgetown, off of Leander Road (2243). I'll be picking up a 61" Samsung DLP HDTV as I move, moving my DirecTV over and setting up an OTA antenna. The problem is I have no idea which antenna to buy.

According to AntennaWeb I need blue-uhf to get WB and violet-uhf to get PBS, ABC and NBC all at 189 degrees (what about FOX and CBS? )

I plan on getting an outdoor antenna. Can anyone recommend an antenna and maybe an installer?

Welcome to Georgetown! I live north of the park, which is pretty close to you. I would first try the Radio Shack UHF (15-2160). It's a steal at $20. I used this antenna while waiting for a CM 4248 to come in,and it performs as well as my Channel Master 4248, it also can pick up the VHF signal from KCEN out of Temple. You should have no problem picking up all of the Austin channels (FOX being the exception) including CBS, as well as all of the Killeen/Waco area channels. I would recommend getting a rotor to turn the antenna north as well as being able to fine tune the signals, I find that even though all of the Austin towers are close to each other, I still need to adjust for max signal. KNCT-PBS out of Killeen is running in 1080i, while KLRU still isnt, so I am turning the antenna north frequently to pick up KNCT then back south for ABC and WB. You should be able to get either CBS fine.

chris_fowler99 12-31-2003 10:37 AM

Can't say I'm all that interested in PBS (right now), but I guess I'm going to join the whiny bunch about FOX if I can't get reception from them by football season next year.

I wonder if whoever comes out to install the DirecTV satellite would also install the antenna.

I'm paranoid of using a $20 Radio Shack antenna. I feel like I wouldn't be spending enough to get quality.

bigbevo2k 01-03-2004 10:34 PM

I just purchased a HD ready set, and the guy at the store was telling me which box to ask for and which to avoid from TWC. I called TWC and they just told me to show up over at their place off Duval and swap out my current box. Is that right? Nobody has to come out and mess with the box outside? Also, which box should I request if I even have that option.

Thanks

paulbehnke 01-04-2004 09:23 AM

Hey Chris_fowler99 if it will make you feel any better I will sell you the same antenna for $60 if you will pay the postage!!!! Car salesmen must love you!

chris_fowler99 01-04-2004 12:01 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by paulbehnke
Hey Chris_fowler99 if it will make you feel any better I will sell you the same antenna for $60 if you will pay the postage!!!! Car salesmen must love you!


themarshall 01-04-2004 01:28 PM

BigBevo, they don't need to do anything at your house to get HD on Time Warner, so long as your signal is strong enough. Several people have reported frequent dropouts when they first upgrade their box and TW will send out a rep to check the signal strenght. But assuming you don't have any problems with the signal strength, you can just drop by and pick up an HD box.

paulbehnke 01-04-2004 01:53 PM

Here in San Antonio TWC has 2 Different boxes. The old 3100HD(?) abd the newer Pace DC550P. Not sure which they are pushing but in my Case I thought the PQ on the older box was better but the newer one has a lot of good features. I have had the Pace for about a month now and am having problems with its DVI output

Number6 01-04-2004 02:25 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by paulbehnke
Here in San Antonio TWC has 2 Different boxes. The old 3100HD(?) abd the newer Pace DC550P. Not sure which they are pushing but in my Case I thought the PQ on the older box was better but the newer one has a lot of good features. I have had the Pace for about a month now and am having problems with its DVI output

In Austin you will almost certainly get a Scientific Atlanta 3250HD right now, which is what I have. I asked for a Pace, but depending on which rep you talk to they are either out of them temporarily or are not going to be using them at all any more. Just make sure you don't end up with a Scientific Atlanta 3100HD, I know there are still some floating around.

6

WSZsr 01-04-2004 02:52 PM

Advice is appreciated.

When I moved to Round Rock, Time Warner gave me special pricing on Digital cable and Road Runner to covert me from Direct TV. It expired this month so I have to decide what to do now. PQ is important to me. HDTV is important to me.

I could switch back to Direct TV but the monthly cost including the HDTV package and local channels would be about the same as Time Warner. AND I would have to shell out about $400 minimum for a HDTV receiver and a dish plus I would need another five receivers for my other TVs. I was happy with Direct TV PQ when I lived in Georgetown except for the local channels which were very soft. Alternatively I could stay with TW basic for the other TVs but the channel choices are very limited and the PQ quality is also poor.

I would also like to stay with HBO.

An OTA box is another option but no HBO nor the other channels I enjoy such as DiscoveryHD, HGTV, History Channel, Discovery, TLC. Plus TW will offer all of the HD local channels sometime soon I hope!

The choices are limited and expensive. What is everyone else doing to maximize viewing at reasonable prices?

kkramer25 01-05-2004 08:50 AM

thanks NavinRJohnson, i am still waiting on my E*811, install has been bumped 3 times now since early Dec. next ETI is 1/20. i'm glad i still have my SA3250. you guys don't laugh but i bought a Terk [email protected] Frye's to use as OTA, but may return it before my 30 days are up, just so i'm not stuck with it if it doesn't work...

racecar 01-05-2004 09:29 AM

I am having a problem with the audio in my set-up. I have a TWC HD box (SA 3250), going through a B&K 507 AV reciever. I have the analog audio hooked up and it works fine, but the didgital audio does not seem to work well. Get infrequent "pops" in the audio, and I don't appear to be able to get a THX type signal. TW told me the fiber optic output is non functional on the box. Anybody else with similar problems or setup solotions?

kkramer25 01-05-2004 03:47 PM

i can tell you that the fiber optic output is functional on mine. no pops usually, but the BCS game last night had some occassional drops in the signal.

ChadA 01-05-2004 05:22 PM

I have an SA 3250. I used to have the Pace box, but it doesn't work with most universal remotes (in particular, my Pronto Pro).

Driver 01-05-2004 07:11 PM

OK, I see tons of posts from people discussing all the fine points about this or that TimeWarner-Austin Digital Cable box. What I don't see is anyone asking about, inquiring about, or in any way complaining or discussing that a box is not even neccessary to receive the HD feeds if Time Warner would just get off their collective butt and feed the signal for Local (Network) Channels down the regular cable feed instead of encrytping it and REQUIRING the STB to get it.

Background:

If you go with some company other than Time Warner Austin, make sure you order HD, not digital, cable as far as service (you may find that at least a couple locals come in and can be detected by your new HD TV, which may have an open-cable QAM tuner onboard). You should also be able to receive over-air HDTV without an outboard box. Personally I would not buy a TV at this time that doesn't have a QAM tuner as I hate the additional remotes and cabling involved with external STB's. I also care little about the Premium HD channels at this time. For those a STB will always be required.

Regarding the built in QAM tuner and cable reception: It will receive unscrambled analog and digital cable channels. Just connect the cable tv coax directly to the cable input, run channel setup and it'll find the digital cable channels and a number of analog channels. Most of the digital channels may be blank, BUT most people should receive all of the free local digital channels that are available on the cable sysytem. The channel numbers may be different then what the cable system box shows them as, but it works in other parts of the country, even as close as Time Warner in San Antonio. The tuner must be QAM compatible.

My issue with this; Again, I have the new Sony KDF-70XBR950 but for straight network TV I wish I could just use the built-in Sony tuner over cable without having to have the antenna or an addtional remote. After all I pay for basic cable and those network channels, I should be getting the HD as well as standard signals without having to essentially double my bill with one of their crappy, bug-ridden, STB's.

My suggestion: Call Time-Warner Austin and file a request/complaint. None of the regular drones will even mention this is a possibility (deer in the headlights) if you just dial up, so ask for a engineer in the HD dept and ask them to feed the local HD channels through in the clear, unencrypted. Right now they are using this as a source of revenue to rent their STB's or to upcharge for service that even the lowest subscriber is already paying for. If they get enough calls maybe we can drive some change in their procedures. The one I talked to today said I was the first person to ask for the straight feed like the San Antonio folks get. Yeah right.... Just imagine, no juggling remotes.

ChadA 01-05-2004 08:55 PM

Most projectors, including mine, don't have a tuner. In addition, the multiple remote problem still exists for anyone running their sound through a receiver/amp.

I agree that it would be nice to have the option, though. I only have a STB for my theater, not any of the other TVs in the house.

bonoc 01-06-2004 06:11 AM

This thread seems to be nothing more than the official time warner austin thread. I understand that the majority of the locals have time warner (or it sure seems that way) but all this STB talk is useless to everyone else on the list. It is one of those things in a meeting that people "take offline".

Please dont be offended but we should really create an official 2004 Austin Time Warner thread.

bigbevo2k 01-06-2004 07:56 AM

Could we not run both a OTB and TW in this thread? It seems that everyone could benefit from the information in both. Just my .02. I got the 3250 box yesterday and after several calls I finally (I think) got it running. What I can seem to locate are the HD indemand channels? Do we get these? If so, what channel number are they? I went through the whole guide several times to only come up empty handed.

Also, any timeline on getting HDNet, HDMovies, or ESPN-HD through TW? I am hooked at this point. Love the thread and all the great help I have recieved from all of yall.

Thanks

bonoc 01-06-2004 08:00 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by bigbevo2k
Could we not run both a OTB and TW in this thread? It seems that everyone could benefit from the information in both. Just my .02. I got the 3250 box yesterday and after several calls I finally (I think) got it running. What I can seem to locate are the HD indemand channels? Do we get these? If so, what channel number are they? I went through the whole guide several times to only come up empty handed.

Also, any timeline on getting HDNet, HDMovies, or ESPN-HD through TW? I am hooked at this point. Love the thread and all the great help I have recieved from all of yall.

Thanks

We could do that - we have been doing that for sometime now. As far as everyone benefiting, I disagree. For instance, everything after you "Just my .02" is useless to me. But it would be useful for those that were jumping ship over to TW and at that point I would assume they could lookup the necessary info from the other thread.

It is quite possible that I am the only one that it annoys. Anyone else feel the same way?

kkramer25 01-06-2004 08:34 AM

from TW website

1604 - FoxSportsHD
1603 - DiscoHD
1602 - InHD
1601 - InHD
1531 - KEYE (CBS)
1511 - KVUE (ABC)
1501 - KTBC (Fox)
791 - ShowHD
790 - HBOHD

spydrev 01-06-2004 09:09 AM

agree 100% with Bonoc. As a client who would never pay a cable company for anything but internet access, I am only interested in OTA HD. An OTA-only thread would be awesome.

bigbevo2k 01-06-2004 09:46 AM

ok, guess I yall are right about seperate threads. I just like trying to get all the HD info I can, and all in one place is seemed ideal.

ChuckDogg 01-06-2004 01:26 PM

Well, i think its nice to have both TW and OTA info in the same thread. While I get my local HD via OTA, I like to keep up with the happenings from TW. For instance, a previous post mentioned audio dropouts during the sugar bowl from someone watching the game via TW. I had the same situation watching the game OTA. It can be nice to compare notes when you are trying to troubleshoot any HD issues you run into with feeds, equipment, etc.

bonoc 01-06-2004 01:59 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by ChuckDogg
Well, i think its nice to have both TW and OTA info in the same thread. While I get my local HD via OTA, I like to keep up with the happenings from TW. For instance, a previous post mentioned audio dropouts during the sugar bowl from someone watching the game via TW. I had the same situation watching the game OTA. It can be nice to compare notes when you are trying to troubleshoot any HD issues you run into with feeds, equipment, etc.

I love the info about the content that is shared by TW and D* and OTA. It is all of the back and forth about the STB is annoying.

Dont get me wrong, I dont want to piss off a bunch of people. I want to get an idea as to am I the only one it bothers.

RobertCooper 01-06-2004 03:42 PM

If y'all take a look at what forum this thread is in we could really determine what "should" be discussed here.

Since this thread is in the "Local HDTV Info and Reception", I sort of lean toward the idea that we should be talking about what channels are available, when new ones will be available, and problems we have with recieving them.

However, there was a point where there was little new channel activity, and everyone was just waiting for TWC to come on line with some of the stations and a decent STB. That being said, I think we can safely assume that if you go with TWC, you will either get a PACE box, or a Scientific Atlanta, each of which has its own specific plusses, minuses and issues. However, this doesn't mean that new folks to the forum (or existing ones) won't have problems when they try to switch to TWC HD, and I think it's totally appropriate to seek help here. For those of you who made it this far in my message: the number ONE problem with TWC STBs is *SIGNAL LEVELS*. Sometimes the signal from the street is too weak. Either call TWC and have them fix it on their end, or go get yourself a wideband preamp or amp to put inline between the wall and the STB (basically what TWC does outside your home). Try to get a low noise model that is good to 1Ghz or more.

We are sort of at the point again where there will be little or no new activity in OTA new channels, we are anxiously waiting a few new channels on TWC (ESPN for one), and there is very little that people discuss with regards to satellite.

Therefore, at this point, there technically is very little to talk about... so I dont' see why it's a big deal to use this as a help each other thread. At some point there will be some new great stations or HD activity, and then I'm sure this will turn into a pertinent information thread (i.e. when Fox ups the power and goes 720p).

All that being said - I plan to keep my Austin HDTV summary up to date regardless of what is discussed in this thread. I really don't think the number of posts to this thread is great enough to warrant a separate OTA and TWC thread. What may be an idea (good or bad... you decide) is to have the folks with specific STB questions try the HDTV hardware forum first before they post a question here?!?!

Ok, I'm done rambling.... back the general conversations.

christoz 01-06-2004 03:48 PM

Rob,

Good point. There is not a bunch of activity on this thread and surely their is not enough OTA activity to only talk about that. I love your idea of people first asking hardware questions on the hardware forum and then come here if that fails though.

From the get-go the TW STB talk always drove me nuts. I just didn't want to say anything. But I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot and I had issues w/ the TW STB then I would love the posts.

christoz 01-06-2004 03:51 PM

Has anyone heard any news from KLRU as to when they are going to "flick the HD switch" OTA? I have tried to get in touch w/ previous contacts at KLRU to no avail.

RobertCooper 01-06-2004 04:13 PM

As far as I know, the only thing they were waiting for was some sort of AUTOMATIC flip switcher for HD/Non-HD stuff. I wish in the mean time they could have hired some high-school detention student to manually flip the switch until they received said piece of hardware. :-)

Should be any time now. I bet the long holiday break lead to some delays?

utstimpy 01-06-2004 04:19 PM

Wow, here I thought we had this nice little community and now everyone's bitching.

Anyway, I don't think 2 seperate threads are needed. There are often times when no one posts on this thread for 3 or 4 days, so its hardly so busy/cluttered to require seperation.

MurrayW 01-06-2004 05:32 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by utstimpy
Wow, here I thought we had this nice little community and now everyone's bitching.

Anyway, I don't think 2 seperate threads are needed. There are often times when no one posts on this thread for 3 or 4 days, so its hardly so busy/cluttered to require seperation.

I don't think anybody is bitching. It seems to me that bonoc went out of his way to be diplomatic. Why are differing opinions or ideas so often perceived as bitching?

Anyway, it really doesn't matter to me that everything is in one thread. I'd rather see no information about TWC at all, but it is easy enough for me to ignore those postings.

Murray

wayneb64 01-06-2004 06:34 PM

Is anyone having problems getting KXAN? Last night and tonight I can't see it. PBS/KVUE/KEYE are coming in fine. I have two antennas hooked
up, A Terk55 which has always pulled in KXAN with some audio drops
early on but that went away. A RS bowtie is my second and is strategically
placed to pull in KEYE as my Terk can't get it. I am in Cedar Park and
wondering if I am seeing the same kind of problems Dave in Leander
is seeing having to rotate the antenna based on what day it is.

wayneb64 01-06-2004 06:51 PM

Figures. I leave a post and the reception comes back. It's still dropping
audio and video frequenly, but better than blue screen of no channel at all.
If TWC would get there ducks in a row I could just watch in on cable.

plaiming 01-07-2004 12:12 AM

i just wanted to thank Driver for his informative post. im trying to decide what route to go to get HD into my home theater and since i am solely using an HTPC, i though HD Tuner card with OTA antenna was my only option. i have TW standard cable (not digital) and so it would be great to be able to get the HD channels via my coax feed into the house and run that feed into a tuner card. (i just dont like the idea of having to deal with installing an antenna and more cables!!) its too bad TW doesnt start running this feed down there standard non-digital line. what do you think the chances are of that??

-paul

tcat 01-07-2004 12:21 PM

I agree, HD "OTA" through cable should be free... OTA is free, I assume TWC picks it up free.... I am behind a big hill and get no OTA, I feel I should be able to get it free without having to sell my house. In 2 or 3 years most everything will be HD, they going to start charging more for analog to screw all the folks that don't want to spend >$1000 for a TV?

I like this thread the way it is, lots of info in one place. I am an E* customer without the ability to get OTA. I keep dragging my feet about going "back" to cable... but recent problems getting 811 HD boxes from E*, and that probably getting delayed until after the Superbowl, has me leaning towards TWC... I have a Home Theater, 83" screen, great sound system, and just waiting to take the HD plunge... the variety of this thread (and many others here at AVS) helps a great deal... helps make the decission that much more difficult! Too many opinions.... Too many threads....

mpetersrx7 01-07-2004 12:41 PM

Sorry meant to post this thread in the Austin 2004

Has anybody else noticed the picture on FOX-HD is extremely dark. Watching 24 last night on TWC-HD some scenes were so dark that you could not make out faces or individual. I know some of the scenes were suppose to be dark being outside in the middle of the night, but even on the other scenes this could be noticed. I have noticed this other times watching 24 also which is one of the only FOX-HD shows I watch. ABC-HD is gorgeous.

It did not matter if I turned up the contrast. I am wondering if this is from a weak signal. I get drop out and block pixelation on the screen pretty often. I have the SA3250 and Mitsu 55909 TV.

Great thread Rob.

Thanks,
Mark
Austin - Terrytown area

tcat 01-07-2004 01:00 PM

24 was pretty dark non-HD, but HD "should" have better contrast.... That "dark" 811 problem sure needs to get fixed bfore I buy in. My plan is to feed S-video to my new E80H recorder, and component to a projector. Hate to record nothing but dark programs!

A totally unrelated item, non-HD, non-OTA, but what the heck, I'm here, so... has anyone had a problem with CBS on E*, just freezing the picture for like a minute at a time, 4 or 5 times in one night? Is this a STB problem, a CBS problem, or an E* problem?

Grantbo 01-07-2004 02:51 PM

I'm far away from Austin, but had the same issue with "24" last night too. Although I'm not aware of "24" being broadcast in HD. I was watching 24 through D* and noticed how very dark the scenes were. Too dark to make out much facial detail. I also have an OTA antenna, and when I switched to that, the darkness went away. As a general observation, I've found my OTA picture reception to be better than that from D*.

Driver 01-07-2004 03:18 PM

If you want Time Warner to start giving us the full unencrypted network (Fox, ABC, NBC, etc...) feed of HD signals (as they already DO in San Antonio), then you need to CALL THEM and start giving them the idea that we want it. As I mentioned before the Engineer I talked to said I was the first person that had called asking for it (I don't know if I beleive that...).

If they start getting enough calls then maybe they'll stop putting it out solely through the Digital STB.

utstimpy 01-07-2004 03:20 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by visualcnc
I agree, HD "OTA" through cable should be free... OTA is free, I assume TWC picks it up free....


actually I would think TWC has to pay. In fact, what other reason would there be for TWC to NOT have NBC right now, other than the fact that NBC and TWC can't agree on a price?

rajivarora 01-08-2004 01:04 PM

Looks like there's quite a backlog of HD stuff that's available but we in Austin are not getting and I thought a bit of whining was in order. 8-)

So here's my current "when will we get..." list:

1) KLRU-HD: OTA, and on TWC
2) HD DVR (from TWC
3) ESPN-HD
4) HDNet and HDNet Movies
5) Cinemax HD
6) Starz HD
7) TMC HD
8) KXAN-HD on TWC

-Rajiv

tcat 01-08-2004 01:18 PM

HD must be costing somebody something, or TWC, E* and D* would have all stations available.

I have E*, and once I receive their 811 (if ever), I will get ESPN, Discovery, HDnet and HDmovies, CBS, (HBO-HD, Show-HD).

Seems TWC has a little more to offer (especially to someone like me that can't pick up locals OTA). From what I calculate, total rates are almost identical (comparing Top 100 and TW Digital).

I am curious if anyone in Austin has tried both at the same time so PQ could be compared side by side. How do local to locals compare, and how does HD to HD compare?

Darthnice 01-08-2004 01:44 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by rajivarora

So here's my current "when will we get..." list:

2) HD DVR (from TWC

-Rajiv

According to a recent post by Peter on the yahoo cable group ... this month looks good for 160 gigs of HD love.

rajivarora 01-08-2004 01:59 PM

Excellent pointer! Thanks, Darthnice. Seems like that cable group is the place to go for TWC questions and updates.

-Rajiv

Burmese 01-08-2004 02:34 PM

OK, have had OTA for nearly a year now.

Zenith HDV420
RS Color Supreme 100 rabbit ears.
Located near Burleson and Ben White.

Aside from FOX, which I cannot get at all, I can get all of the stations 90% of the time. Getting the spanish station requires that I rotate the antenna to the NW but then I get it rock solid, with no fluctuations, at about 70%. All the others are generally strong (70%-80%) but over the course of an hour they will invariably fluctuate, sometimes blanking out for minutes at a time. Also, on any given day, a repositioning of the antenna may be needed to get all the stations. Analog signals here have always had severe ghosting so I'm sure it's largely a multipath issue. I probably get momentary refractions whenever a couple of 18-wheelers pass by on IH-35, to boot, so it's not going to be solved by clever antenna positioning. As soon as the nearest Radio shack decides to start -stocking- their double-bowtie antenna I'll give it a try to see if it helps (currently a special order item).

btw, I love that PBS is making good use of 4 channels. Now, on any given night, my odds of catching a NOVA show airing are much greater than they are/were with the analog signal.

utstimpy 01-08-2004 03:29 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by rajivarora

1) KLRU-HD: OTA, and on TWC
4) HDNet and HDNet Movies

I think we are supposed to get these pretty soon...

utstimpy 01-08-2004 03:33 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by Darthnice
According to a recent post by Peter on the yahoo cable group ... this month looks good for 160 gigs of HD love.

could someone maybe copy/paste some info? I do all my surfing at work and they block the yahoo groups.

Hows it gonna work? Is there a waiting list we can get on?

Are all the channels (even SD) gonna be broadcast at 1080i like the current SA box? I hope they'll use 480 so I can use my stretch plus.

eochs 01-08-2004 04:52 PM

with the update that was pushed out today for the 3250HD, you can run SD channels at 480i or 480p and HD channels at 1080i... Go into settings and change "picture format" to "pass through"... The 8000HD should have the same feature... According to Peter there are going to be about 1000 8000HD boxes available, much more then I had hoped for... THey should be available to pick up in the lobby sometime next week, he will let us know the minute they are available... I will post the info on here...

btw, the DVI port on the 3250HD was activated today as well... The DVI port on the 8000HD will not be activated for a few weeks...

Mike Fenech 01-08-2004 07:00 PM

eochs,

Good to see you here also (Tampa from LFZ). We in SA are getting ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, FOX Sports, HBO-HD, SHO-HD, Discovery HD Theater, HD Net, HD Net Movies, IN-HD, IN-HD2, NBA TV HD, from TW. Sucks to be us, eh? Only thing missing is ESPN HD. And the 8000's are pending distribution here also.

Hook 'em, and fire GD.

dpeart 01-09-2004 07:25 AM

I'm looking to buy a channel master 4228 antenna and thought I'd ask here if anyone has one they don't use anymore and would like to sell it. If not I'll order one

PM me if so, I don't want to fill up this list.

thanks

tony_ansley 01-10-2004 11:11 AM

Just announced Thursday...

Austinites will be able to receive Fox-DT East & West and CBS-DT East & West Digitally via DirecTV in the next few weeks.

I think this is really great where Fox is concerned since noone outside the Fox antenna security fence can receive it over the air.

See:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...hreadid=153004

for details.

bonoc 01-10-2004 11:21 AM

This is so kickass for those of use w/ D* because as you said, only those people that lived w/in blocks of the station could pickup their wussy signal.

And when Fox goes HD, we will not be at the caprice of our local Fox to turn their HD signal on.

I am sooo stoked about this.

chris_fowler99 01-10-2004 07:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tony_ansley

Austinites will be able to receive Fox-DT East & West and CBS-DT East & West Digitally via DirecTV in the next few weeks.

I think it's going to depend on where you are in Austin. If you're far enough north you're probably going to get at least a Grade B signal from KWTX (CBS) and KWKT (FOX) from Temple/Waco/Killeen, which would mean you would need a waiver from those stations, even though KEYE and KTBC are O&O stations. And waivers for Grade B signals are supposedly really hard to get.

I'm going to be in Georgetown, and I "supposedly" get a Grade A signal from KWKT and a Grade B from KWTX. Waivers from Grade A signals are nearly impossible, so I'm screwed as far as FOX is concerned and probably screwed as far as CBS is concerned with a Grade B signal.

Number6 01-11-2004 08:31 AM

Speaking of KWKT, pending FCC approval they are hoping to turn on the KWKT-DT signal toward the end of the week. Hopefully they will be broadcasting with enough power and passing Fox widescreen that at least some of us have an alternative to KTBC.

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