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post #1051 of 1768 Old 01-14-2009, 11:12 AM
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You are ~110 miles from the WWTV-DT tower and somehow you are getting a signal? That is amazing. Is this UHF channel 40 we are talking about? I get a max of 10 on my signal meter and I'm ~70 miles from the tower using a home made coat hanger antenna with an amplifier in my attic.
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post #1052 of 1768 Old 01-14-2009, 08:36 PM
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all I have is one of those Pinnacle "cardboard" antennas. Just had to place it in the right spot, I guess.
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Anyone have an update about 7 moving the digital transmitor South?
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From AVS user "TV8" in the G.R. thread (Jan 18, 2009):

"WPBN Update

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Many viewers North of Grands Rapids are having problems picking up WOOD-DT. This is because WPBN's analog frequency is the same as WOOD DT, (channel 7). We accepted that interference knowing after the transition our signal would be protected from any interference and also allowing us to operate at full maximum power. This was because we chose to stay on our allocated channel rather than change back to channel 8. Channel 8 would have caused us to not operate at maximum allowed power plus we would have to deal with interference from WMVS, Milwaukee. All of this planning was negated when The FCC tentatively proposed WPBN which wanted to move back to channel 7 from the present digital channel 50, should operate at 15.4 KW. WOOD DT made an informal objection to the proposed power level because of high interference levels in Muskegon, Oceana, Newaygo and even Northern Kent County.

The FCC has recently granted an S.T.A. (special temporary authority) to WPBN to operate on channel 7 digitally at a power level of 500 Watts. I understand they will also continue to operate channel 50 digital. after the transition. This will eliminate the interference described above.

Bottom line, if you can't get us now, try a re-scan on February 18, 2008. Without full power WPBN analog channel 7 on the air and only 500 watts on their digital channel 7, I think many viewers will get WOOD DT much more reliably to the north of Grand Rapids.
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I'm not to sure how your tuners will display two different "7.1" and "7.2"s for you folks that can get a signal from both channel 7 and 50.
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I'm not to sure how your tuners will display two different "7.1" and "7.2"s for you folks that can get a signal from both channel 7 and 50.

interesting...probably wouldn't do much of anything, I would think.

In that case though, unless I'm mistaken, I believe I should have a direct line-of-sight to WPBN (50), WWTV, WFQX, and WCMV when I move to Houghton Lake next month.
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pianomany2k,

I have worked on a TV setup at a cabin near the southwest shore of Higgins Lake, and they have never seen WPBN-DT on channel 50. Here's a link to a map with WPBN-DT on 50's coverage area:
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...=DT601152.html

Their projected range for WPBN-DT on channel 7, with 500 Watts:
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...DS1286293.html

The setup at Higgins Lake gets all the digital stations on WGTU's tower near Kalkaska (WGTU-DT, WFQX-DT, and WCMV-DT) very well. I think the Higgins Lake setup will also get WWTV-DT on channel 9 well, only because they use a yagi antenna cut for channel 9 (they have a large hill in the way, and can't see WFQX analog in the same direction).

Links to other coverage maps in area:

WCMV-DT, channel 17:
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...DT1084741.html

WGTU-DT on channel 29:
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...DT1251098.html

WWMT-DT on channel 9:
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...DT1248732.html
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I really hope that map is accurate and just about anyone within the circle can get the station. I really would like to be able to get 7 come Feburary. Right now on digital I can get 9, 33 (on 9.2), 13, 14. I would like to get 7,9,33,13,21, and 42.
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ok, get an amp and I'll probably get 7 then...maybe...

as long as there aren't any large hills in my way.

I'm going to miss my current 80 - 100% NBC signal though
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anyone heard about a the talks of the FCC moving the transition to a later date?
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anyone heard about a the talks of the FCC moving the transition to a later date?

Dont know about the FCC, but Congress is going to get it pushed back to June it looks.
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Congress has more important things to worry about.
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I didn't think Congress had much of anything to do with telecommunications.

What good would it do to push it back a few months?
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If I might jump on a small soap box ... it seems each of the branches of our govt wants to encroach on the others. It is indeed congress that will look at the extension.

A bipartisan agreement to delay the country’s digital TV changeover from Feb. 17 to June 12 was announced Thursday night by Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.

http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/01/s...ay_digital.php

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... to clarify this is not a final thing, it still needs to be voted on.
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I read about that on eweek about a half-hour ago...

I don't see where that is going to help anything, really. The "voluntary" compliance isn't going to do a whole lot. I don't think too many stations will shutoff their analog signal unless it's mandated.
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The senate passed the bill unanimously. The house and B.O. are just a rubber stamp. Anyone know what the local stations are going to do come 12am on 2/18? I know they're already cash strapped so they are probably looking to switch off analog ASAP to save on the power bill.
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The senate passed the bill unanimously. The house and B.O. are just a rubber stamp. Anyone know what the local stations are going to do come 12am on 2/18? I know they're already cash strapped so they are probably looking to switch off analog ASAP to save on the power bill.

I asked this today of WPBN/WGTU and WWTV/WFQX. Here's WPBN/WGTU's repsonse:


To: Michael Miller
Subject: DTV Transition delay

Hi Mike,
What are your plans (WPBN & WGTU) if the analog shutoff delay goes through?




Kevin,
Great question. We are looking at options and if it makes sense to shutoff early. Some markets including the entire state of Hawaii have already shut analog off. My thought is that whatever happens would need to be coordinated by the whole market, which is pretty much us and WWTV. Our corporate offices will likely weigh in as well as running four analog transmitters for four more months will cost an additional unbudgeted $30,000 in power bills.

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The House has just voted down the extension for immediate vote... so it looks like the Feb 17th date is back on.....at least for now. Glad someone in Washington had the sense not to go along with another delay to digital. Looks like next week, there may be some kind of compromise....but time will tell
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The House has just voted down the extension for immediate vote... so it looks like the Feb 17th date is back on.....at least for now. Glad someone in Washington had the sense not to go along with another delay to digital. Looks like next week, there may be some kind of compromise....but time will tell

This bill required a 2/3 majority to pass and it failed. A new bill can be brought to the floor requiring only a simple Dem. majority to pass. So, it's not over yet.
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Now comes the big question. The proposed bill allows stations to shut off their analog transmitters if they wish regardless of the extension. Will be interesting to see if the two operators agree to go full digital with the four stations. The cost of running two transmitters for all those stations has to be creating a nice big power bill
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Now that is is offically delayed, I hope that 7 and 9 agree to shutoff this month as planned. I can't get 7 digitally, and won't be able to untill they switch over. This pisses me off.
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Contacted 7,4,29 tonight...will let you know when I get a reply. Will be interesting to see their thinking. I hope they go all digital on the 17th.
So far 143 stations have gone all digital, and it estimated that regardless of the bill, 60% will go digital on Feb 17th
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Thanks Trip & Mesickstan for the updates!

Sounds like good news for some viewers up there. I'm a little disappointed that the proposed coverage area for WFUP-DT doesn't cover much of the UP.

Not a problem since FOX is available on 10.2 in the Eastern U.P.
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Now comes the big question. The proposed bill allows stations to shut off their analog transmitters if they wish regardless of the extension. Will be interesting to see if the two operators agree to go full digital with the four stations. The cost of running two transmitters for all those stations has to be creating a nice big power bill

If moving to a new digital channel or increasing power even slightly interferes with an existing station, they can't do it until the analog signs off. By existing station, that can be one 200 miles away. It's a case-by-case decision. I suspect WCML will be one of those iffy cases... They plan to go to UHF 24 on Feb 17th, but maybe now that's delayed.
This new law will just add to the confusion.
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I suspect WCML will be one of those iffy cases... They plan to go to UHF 24 on Feb 17th, but maybe now that's delayed.
This new law will just add to the confusion.

What station is in the area on channel 24 that wouldn't allow WCML to switch?
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Contacted 7,4,29 tonight...will let you know when I get a reply. Will be interesting to see their thinking. I hope they go all digital on the 17th.
So far 143 stations have gone all digital, and it estimated that regardless of the bill, 60% will go digital on Feb 17th

Just received a short one line message from Mike Miller at 7/4 & 29/8 that it's still to be determined when analog shutoff occurs for them. Of course, until our president actually signs bill S.352 into law, the current date is valid and stations have to broadcast it as such.
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Just received a short one line message from Mike Miller at 7/4 & 29/8 that it's still to be determined when analog shutoff occurs for them. Of course, until our president actually signs bill S.352 into law, the current date is valid and stations have to broadcast it as such.


Thanks for the update. I am sure many stations are trying to figure out how to handle the transition. I just read the FCC guidance, and it looks like the whole thing is turning into a total cluster ****. So much for a well planned, easy, transition.
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If you'd like to submit your comments regarding bill S.352:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/
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If you'd like to submit your comments regarding bill S.352:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/

Thanks, I voiced my displeasure.
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Looks like WPBN has already declared analog shutoff on June 12, 2009 to be law:

http://www.upnorthlive.com/about/about.aspx?id=57736

Of course this won't confuse the public, either (from http://www.dtv.gov/):

The digital transition is underway. Prepare now! On Feb. 17, some full-power broadcast television stations in the United States may stop broadcasting on analog airwaves and begin broadcasting only in digital. The remaining stations may stop broadcasting analog sometime between March 14 and June 12. June 12 is the final deadline for terminating analog broadcasts under legislation passed by Congress and expected to be signed by President Obama.
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What station is in the area on channel 24 that wouldn't allow WCML to switch?

It's not necessarily in the area, but a station a market or 2 away on the same channel could cause an issue. The FCC is funny like that. I would hope WCML switches on DT 24 next week, but I don't see any direct information saying that for sure. They are increasing their power too when that all happens.
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