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Channel 61-1 KQRM is now on 17-1. I didn't do a rescan. It just showed up.

I lost 24-1 Daya, 24-3 Antenna, 24-7 Newsnet, and 24-8 Jewelry channels. That channel is weak. Maybe because of the weather or something else. Maybe it will reappear someday.
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Channel 61-1 KQRM is now on 17-1. I didn't do a rescan. It just showed up.

I lost 24-1 Daya, 24-3 Antenna, 24-7 Newsnet, and 24-8 Jewelry channels. That channel is weak. Maybe because of the weather or something else. Maybe it will reappear someday.

KQRM isn't assigned to be on 17, as a physical channel (RF) or as a display channel (virtual). They should still be on RF 28 and appear on 61-1.

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That's weird about KQRM on 17.1. It was on 61.1 earlier on Sunday when I was scanning around. I just checked now, at midnight, and KQSL is back on 17.1 through 17.7 and on 17.9 and .10, (KQSL program channel 8 carries KTSF 26.2) but KQRM is still on 17.1, too. My Panasonic tuner is showing both of them.

By the way, watch for 44.5 starting January 1. The new Circle Network s supposed to premier there at the beginning of the new year. It will also be on 31.5 in Sacramento.

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Back online. 8:36pm
Thanks !!!
Thanks for your help! My encoder has been acting up. I dropped the resolution for the .1 to 720p so that my encoder doesn't have to work as hard as putting out 1080i.


Life's been crazy. KQSL is being added to Wave Broadband Cable in Concord / Eastern Contra Costa County on January 1st! Also, KQSL is coming to San Bruno cable soon, too! Wave is forwarding our feed on to them.


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NAB website about channel changes

If you have friends you'd like to alert about the upcoming channel changes but who may not want to slog through this forum for all the gory details, the NAB has a website that has information about the repack. One page lets you put in your zip code to get information about when the changes in your area will take place:

https://www.tvanswers.org/whenResultsZip.asp

The results are rather vague on the timelines, but at least it's a start; people can then keep an eye on the stations they care about during the stated period. The other information on the site—the why of the moves and how to rescan TVs—could also be useful.
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Here's an update from the VHF-UHF Digest, January, 2020, with TV News regarding Bay Area stations:

7 KGO-TV Requests STA 35kw/448m. To intermittently use what will become KRON-TV’s permanent auxiliary antenna as an interim antenna pending other repack work on Sutro Tower. Granted.

39 KCNS Requests STA 750kw/357m; interim use of pre-repack aux antenna pending construction of post-repack ch. 32 facility. Granted.

49 KSTS Requests STA 220kw/667m; interim pre-repack facility pending installation of post-repack antenna. Granted.
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Monthly Full Scan for December 31, 2019

Program 8 has changed for RF 39

SCANNING: 623000000 (us-bcast:39)
!> LOCK: 8vsb (ss=97 snq=73 seq=100)
<- LOCK: 8vsb (ss=100 snq=63 seq=100)
TSID: 0x0189
PROGRAM 1: 38-1 SBN
PROGRAM 2: 38-2 Sino TV
PROGRAM 3: 42-1 KTNC
PROGRAM 4: 38-4 Estrell
PROGRAM 5: 38-5 NTD
PROGRAM 7: 50-1 Azteca
<! PROGRAM 8: 50-2 CRTV
!> PROGRAM 8: 50-2 beIN
PROGRAM 9: 50-3 Revenue

RF 28 comes and goes, this time the multipath won

SCANNING: 557000000 (us-bcast:28)
<! LOCK: 8vsb (ss=99 snq=81 seq=100)
!> LOCK: 8vsb (ss=96 snq=42 seq=100)
<! TSID: 0x0FE5
<! PROGRAM 1: 28-1 KCNZ
<! PROGRAM 2: 28-2 HSN
<! PROGRAM 3: 61-1 KQRM-LD
<! PROGRAM 4: 20-4 LATV
<! PROGRAM 5: 28-6 ShopLC
<! PROGRAM 6: 20-3 ShopHQ
<! PROGRAM 7: 20-1 KOFY-TV
<! PROGRAM 8: 20-2 This-TV
<! PROGRAM 9: 32-1 KMTP
<! PROGRAM 10: 20-8 FunRoad
<! PROGRAM 11: 28-3 QuestTV
<! PROGRAM 12: 20-7 KOFY

Program 12 has changed on RF 20

SCANNING: 509000000 (us-bcast:20)
LOCK: 8vsb (ss=100 snq=81 seq=100)
TSID: 0x1FC7
PROGRAM 3: 16-1 Hai Le
PROGRAM 4: 16-2 Hanh Le
PROGRAM 5: 16-3 VietSky
PROGRAM 6: 16-4 VLife
PROGRAM 7: 16-5 QHTV
PROGRAM 8: 16-6 NetViet
PROGRAM 9: 16-7 VietTop
PROGRAM 10: 16-8 VBS
PROGRAM 11: 16-9 U-ChTV
<! PROGRAM 12: 16-10 Cali HS
!> PROGRAM 12: 16-10 VNA TV
PROGRAM 13: 16-11 SETTV
PROGRAM 14: 16-12 IBC-TV
PROGRAM 15: 16-14 VietUSA
PROGRAM 16: 16-15 NetV
PROGRAM 17: 16-16 RB-NetV
PROGRAM 18: 16-17 FaithTV
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That's weird about KQRM on 17.1. It was on 61.1 earlier on Sunday when I was scanning around. I just checked now, at midnight, and KQSL is back on 17.1 through 17.7 and on 17.9 and .10, (KQSL program channel 8 carries KTSF 26.2) but KQRM is still on 17.1, too. My Panasonic tuner is showing both of them.

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Hi Larry,
Thanks for your help! I let David of KCNZ know that it'd be best to choose 18-1 for KQRM instead of 17-1.
Wave Broadband cable is beginning to carry KQSL today on channel 98. San Bruno Cable will start carrying KQSL tomorrow on channel 373.


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I noticed this afternoon that KQRM is back on virtual channel 61-1.

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I noticed this afternoon that KQRM is back on virtual channel 61-1.
It always was on 61-1
Never moved. Probably some data entry error that some tvs pick up immediately.

On another note, channel 17 was a train wreck yesterday. (Saturday night)
Audio pulsing popping. All subchannels. Transmitter up & down cycling. Etc.
Working ok today.
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I noticed this afternoon that KQRM is back on virtual channel 61-1.
What happened to KURK 3 ?
A few channels have vanished.
3-1 CMC is gone?
24-1 DiyaTV is also gone.?

Not seeing any signal on RF 3 or RF 11

Time for a hard re-scan to abort KURK 3 from the line up.
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It always was on 61-1
Never moved. Probably some data entry error that some tvs pick up immediately.

On another note, channel 17 was a train wreck yesterday. (Saturday night)
Audio pulsing popping. All subchannels. Transmitter up & down cycling. Etc.
Working ok today.

What happened to KURK 3 ?
A few channels have vanished.
3-1 CMC is gone?
24-1 DiyaTV is also gone.?

Not seeing any signal on RF 3 or RF 11

Time for a hard re-scan to abort KURK 3 from the line up.
For about 6 days last week, KQRM was actually transmitting it's virtual channel information on channel 28 as 17-1, then they fixed it and they moved back to 61-1 on Saturday.

I missed the KQSL "train wreck". Keith reported that he's been having trouble with his encoder and has to keep rebooting it.

KURK channel 3 kept getting weaker and weaker and finally just disappeared. I don't think the station is on the air now. If it is, the signal is not getting out 14 miles to my antennas. Another station that's really weak here for just being 5 miles away is KMMC on channel 40. Unless my antenna is pointed right at Mt. San Bruno I don't receive it.

KAAP RF 11 (virtual 24) is almost impossible to receive here in the city. My antenna has to be within two to three degrees of 258 degrees to get it, which is not the direction of the transmitter, so I must be getting it on a bounce. With the antenna pointed at Loma Prieta, where their transmitter is, I get nothing from them, while KQRO on channel 2 (virtual 45) comes in really well most of the time.

On another note, conditions between here and Walnut Grove have been lousy for the past few weeks. All of the stations I receive from there (Virtual 6, 10, 13, 31 and 58) have all been weaker than normal. Sometimes I can't get anything from KVIE on RF 9, while 10 is always there, though really weak at times.

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I thought I read somewhere (here maybe?) that the Sutro repack was ahead of schedule, and may be completed by end of January 2020. Did I hear right?

Does anyone know what is completed, and what is left to be done?

Also, is it just Sutro impacted? Or is San Bruno going through a repack implementation as well?

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For about 6 days last week, KQRM was actually transmitting it's virtual channel information on channel 28 as 17-1, then they fixed it and they moved back to 61-1 on Saturday.

I missed the KQSL "train wreck". Keith reported that he's been having trouble with his encoder and has to keep rebooting it.

KURK channel 3 kept getting weaker and weaker and finally just disappeared. I don't think the station is on the air now. If it is, the signal is not getting out 14 miles to my antennas. Another station that's really weak here for just being 5 miles away is KMMC on channel 40. Unless my antenna is pointed right at Mt. San Bruno I don't receive it.

KAAP RF 11 (virtual 24) is almost impossible to receive here in the city. My antenna has to be within two to three degrees of 258 degrees to get it, which is not the direction of the transmitter, so I must be getting it on a bounce. With the antenna pointed at Loma Prieta, where their transmitter is, I get nothing from them, while KQRO on channel 2 (virtual 45) comes in really well most of the time.

On another note, conditions between here and Walnut Grove have been lousy for the past few weeks. All of the stations I receive from there (Virtual 6, 10, 13, 31 and 58) have all been weaker than normal. Sometimes I can't get anything from KVIE on RF 9, while 10 is always there, though really weak at times.

Larry

Hi Larry,
I'm planning to visit Mt. Tam in a week or two to check on KURK-LD and to switch KQSL-LD to internet delivery. I'm not sure why KURK-LD is weak. I'll report back. Life's been crazy. Also, it looks like the FCC will allow KQTA-LD to use virtual channel 15.


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I thought I read somewhere (here maybe?) that the Sutro repack was ahead of schedule, and may be completed by end of January 2020. Did I hear right?

Does anyone know what is completed, and what is left to be done?

Also, is it just Sutro impacted? Or is San Bruno going through a repack implementation as well?

Thanks all!

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Yes, any station on any mountain top that is changing their RF frequency is changing their antenna and transmitter at the FCC cost. Very generous people!

Enter the station call letters into:

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...AppSearch.html

for the latest reported status, January is the most recent but all stations may not have yet reported their status.

The comment you read stated that all three stacks on Sutro Tower will have been replaced by the end of January. Weather shots for KTVU across the bay show currently the South stack missing.

This means that any station on Sutro that is NOT changing RF frequency can start to use their new antenna. In addition KGO will be using KRON's new RF 7 antenna until the official repack date. See Larry's repack list for dates.

https://larrykenney.com/sfonair3.html

Note the testing period, during that time stations will be testing on their new RF frequencies and may have no signal on their old RF channel. And beeps, boops, color bars plus test patterns on their new RF channel. The new antennas must be tested along with the transmission lines. (Paid by the FCC of course.)

In particular note KGO / KRON / KNTV which must coordinate their testing.

Some reports have suggested that the switch over date can be any time before the listed repack date(s).

I do not agree and there is one strong argument that stations will switch over only on their official repack date.

Those two dates for phase 8 and 9 are when the ad counting computers will switch RF frequencies for each station.

Switching too early or too late will mean that their ad(s) will not be counted and they will not get paid.

Also a huge confusion will occur for viewers thus complaints will be sent to the station, their network, the producers of programs …

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KGO no longer coming in in Novato. 3 highest winning Jeopardy contestants competing for $1M tonight at 8pm. Bummer.

Edit: well, oddly, it started coming in, perfectly, right at the start. Somebody was listening and turned up the juice!

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Our TV fell on my wife's head and broke. I bought an older 60" Samsung for $100 locally off Craigslist. Really nice picture, better than our almost new old one (TCL) so I guess it was a good thing. Anyway it came with 3D glasses. Is 3D around? OTA, Netfliz, Slig? Worth trying?
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According to a report from KCNZ, where KQRM is sharing, KQRM has moved its virtual channel to 18-1 in place of 61-1. I can't confirm this because KCNZ is very weak today, coming in below the cliff edge. That's pretty poor for being just 5 miles away. They're usually a lot stronger, so they must be having problems.

On the other hand, I am receiving a good signal today from KAAP virtual 24 RF 11, the best I've seen from them here. Ben noted that he has not been receiving the station lately, so maybe they made some changes.

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According to a report from KCNZ, where KQRM is sharing, KQRM has moved its virtual channel to 18-1 in place of 61-1. I can't confirm this because KCNZ is very weak today, coming in below the cliff edge.

On the other hand, I am receiving a good signal today from KAAP virtual 24 RF 11, the best I've seen from them here. Ben noted that he has not been receiving the station lately, so maybe they made some changes.

Larry
KCNZ is very strong here. It comes in on any antenna.
They must be directional to the east bay or something.
Yes, KQRM is now located at 18-1

Yes, I now see KAAP 24-1 from zero a few days ago.
Currently weak signal.

Analog tv 6 (San Jose) has flipped formats.
No more K-Love radio.
Now a one radio network or something.
You can listen to analog tv-6 audio on FM radio at 87.7 from areas south of San Bruno.

KVIE & KXTV both hovering around the cliff edge lately.
Thinking about a double stack rebuild for those stations.
Currently have dimensions for stacking, dimensions for cable cuts to joiner, etc.
Plus a spectrum analyzer to verify additional gains / losses.
Plus a 3 way system to make independent low VHF, high VHF, plus UHF joined.
Wait till we get spring weather.

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Our TV fell on my wife's head and broke. I bought an older 60" Samsung for $100 locally off Craigslist. Really nice picture,
Sorry about that incident.
BTW..speaking of craigslist.
I have found free or low cost antennas on craigslist.
Just for testing & things.

Some of the models I have from craigslist include the following
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3. Archer / Radio Shack VU190 ?

Just to name a few.

Good score.
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Our TV fell on my wife's head and broke. I bought an older 60" Samsung for $100 locally off Craigslist. Really nice picture, better than our almost new old one (TCL) so I guess it was a good thing. Anyway it came with 3D glasses. Is 3D around? OTA, Netfliz, Slig? Worth trying?

Not sure on streaming 3D sources, for sure nothing OTA, but you can find 3D on BlueRay or similar media. I have a 3D Asus monitor hooked to my PC and can view content that way, although the required NVidia stereo player is kind of lame. It's a bit of a pain to figure out the layout of the frames, like Left-Right or Top-Bottom if using ripped media as there seems to be no standard way of defining that in the video file, although I think that works properly off of a BlueRay disc directly. It's fairly nice if you also have a good surround sound system (5.1 or 7.1) to go along with the 3D video.
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Eric Dausman, Manager of Sutro Tower, posted the following comments and photo on Facebook last night.

The ERI crew is back on site. Another tower section has been lifted up on the south stack of Sutro Tower. There is another section to go and then more guy wires. After that, new the Channel 7 and Channel 12 antennas go up. The antenna stack should be complete again around the end of the month.
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I drove up to Twin Peaks this past Sunday and took a couple of shots of Sutro Tower. You can see, when comparing these to Eric's photo in the previous post, that the second section hadn't been added to the South leg yet.

I'll try to get up to Twin Peaks occasionally to get more photos as the work is completed on the antenna changes.

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Eric Dausman, Manager of Sutro Tower, posted the following comments and photo on Facebook last night.

The ERI crew is back on site. Another tower section has been lifted up on the south stack of Sutro Tower. There is another section to go and then more guy wires. After that, new the Channel 7 and Channel 12 antennas go up. The antenna stack should be complete again around the end of the month.
Larry, check your later post, no "legs" are being replaced.

I have started using the term "Stack" and am wondering if the other two are "West", "North", or "East".

Also this post suggests that only the "South" stack will be completed by the end of the month, not all three as you posted before.

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Leg, stack, staff, mast... whatever. As for naming them, I don't think there's any official title for them. Eric uses South for the one that will have KGO/KRON/KBCW on it. I've heard WEST and NORTH used for the others.

By the way, I never said anything about all three being completed by the end of the month. There's lot of work still to be done before the job is completed.

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Our TV fell on my wife's head and broke. I bought an older 60" Samsung for $100 locally off Craigslist. Really nice picture, better than our almost new old one (TCL) so I guess it was a good thing. Anyway it came with 3D glasses. Is 3D around? OTA, Netfliz, Slig? Worth trying?

Falling TVs? Not good! You got a good price. My TCL is a very nice set FWIW, it was their top of line a couple of years ago.



According to the interwebz, https://netflixguides.com/3d-movies-on-netflix/, there are 9 on Netflix but only 5 or so in the U.S. catalog. Haven't looked at Sling yet. I have not /heard/ of any on OTA since the changeover, and not sure if you could do that with the polarized glasses through the digital TV broadcast system. It would probably, like when doing red/green, not be watchable for non-3D glasses viewers; the Hondo red/green glasses were distributed at 7-Eleven's for free IIRC for a Saturday night showing.



I still have a Panasonic plasma that does 3D but haven't done much other than a couple of movies on disc. As far as OTA, there were a few 3D movies that used to be broadcast when there were analog stations, I still have the red/green cardboard glasses from Hondo as I recall. It's a matter of taste, I enjoyed it, and still go to the occasional theatrical show with 3D. Avatar was pretty nice (both in the theater, and at home using the polarized glasses, movie on disc, watched on the plasma) though there is always the problem of the picture being on the dim side. Off topic, the new Star Wars movie is shown once/day at the Grand Lake in Oakland in 3D, and they claim that since they have two projectors sync'd to show it that it does not have the dim light problem! I missed the time though so saw it non-3D instead.
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There's a 3D spider movie on Sling I plan to check out, but today's film noir on Movies! has a great lineup, got to get through that first.

Yeah the old TCL TV was on our bedroom dresser, she was bent over yanking on a drawer. She wasn't hurt but her big head busted the screen.

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Leg, stack, staff, mast... whatever. As for naming them, I don't think there's any official title for them. Eric uses South for the one that will have KGO/KRON/KBCW on it. I've heard WEST and NORTH used for the others.

By the way, I never said anything about all three being completed by the end of the month. There's lot of work still to be done before the job is completed.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/45-lo...l#post58985192

"We expect this work will be done by the end of January a full three months in advance of our deadline for Phase 8 and 9."

OK, I misread what you meant by "this".

I don't think there is any joy in getting one of the three "STACKs" done three months ahead of the deadlines as stations may be moving to a different STACK, we really need a picture like this one:

https://sutrotower.com/about-the-tower/

As Eric Dausman is using the term "STACK" I have switched to that term.

"LEG" is one to be avoided as that to me indicates the lower part of the Sutro tower.

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I downloaded the attached copy of the Sutro Tower antenna diagram from the Sutro Tower site. It's marked with letters for each antenna.

Using the diagram, refer to the following list showing the letter designations along with the callsigns of the station(s) using that antenna after the re-pack is complete.
A - 27 KPJK, 29 KPIX, 31 KTVU
B - 12 KGO
C - 30 KQED, 32 KCNS
D - 28 KBCW
E - Removed 19 KOFY
F - 34 KFSF
G - KQED-FM
H - 14 KQTA
I - KOIT-FM
J - Removed 32 KEMO - not shown - replaced by O
K - Removed KOSF-FM - not shown
L - KNBR-FM
M - KSOL-FM
N - AUX KOIT-FM
O - 5 KRCB
P - 7 KRON - not shown - to be located between B and above D
Q - AUX 14 KQTA, 27 KPJK, 29 KPIX, 31 KTVU
R - AUX 28 KBCW, 30 KQED, 32 KCNS, 34 KFSF
S - Removed Aux K0SF-FM
T - Removed Aux 7 KGO
U - Removed Aux KFOG-FM
V - AUX KSOL-FM
W - ? not shown
X - AUX KNBR-FM - not shown
Y - AUX 12 KGO - not shown
Z - AUX 7 KRON - not shown
AA - 3 KURK/4 KQSL - not shown
AB - AUX 5 KRCB - not shown
AC - AUX 3 KURK/4 KQSL - not shown
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