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Looking to cut the cord and get into the OTA game. Went to TV Fool and it looks like the vast majority (90%) of the channels listed are within 20 miles and somewhere on the right half of the compass they show. Additionally, the NM(db) for the main channels is greater than 30. Their guide says that an attic mounted antennae should cover all the channels I care about, but not exactly sure which brand of antenna would be best. I understand a roof mount would be ideal and that I may need a pre-amp, but would rather atatic-mount if the signal is okay, so I am looking for suggestions or recommendations. Had been looking at the channel master CM-4228HD and a CM-C7778 Pre-amp, but not sure if that is overkill.

If it matters, I will probably pair the antenna with a tivo bolt and 1 or two minis as well as some roku's and an apple tv to get content on 3 tvs. Thanks in advance for the feedback and advice!
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The 4228HD is designed for UHF, real channels 14-51. You have two VHF-High channels WXIA NBC real channel 10 and WGTV PBS real channel 8. I suggest the Winegard HD7694P and the 7778. You do have a second PBS, WPBA.

The signal loss in an attic is difficult to predict, because of differences in construction. It will require some experimentation. Aluminum heat barrier, aluminum siding, stucco mesh, and a metal roof will block signals, as will trees or other buildings. I suggest you try the antenna in different locations with it aimed at about 165 to 170 degrees magnetic. Use the signal strength indicator of a TV to help you or the diagnostics screen on the TiVo if the Bolt has that feature. Don't drill any holes yet.

If ION is important to you, it is in a different direction and will require a separate antenna with a custom combiner.

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BTW: WATC (Ch41) is ALSO in the opposite direction...but it's so strong it's likely to come in anyway...although MULTIPATH COULD be excessive....so try up to +/- 20-deg pointing angle away from 168-deg (re True North).

BTW: DC POWER must be PASSED from the WallWart/Power Insertion Module to the CM7778....conventional CABLE RF Splitters normally do NOT have DC PASS (although most SAT RF Splitter do...usually on only ONE Port). Fol. is an inexpensive 4-Port Splitter with DC PASS on only ONE Port to keep DC away from the OTHER Ports [Verify which Port with a DC Ohmmeter]:
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=tsb-41gdc
http://www.picodigital.com/pdf_datasheets/TSB-41GDC.pdf [2, 3 and 4-Port RF Splitters]

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Looking to cut the cord and get into the OTA game. Went to TV Fool and it looks like the vast majority (90%) of the channels listed are within 20 miles and somewhere on the right half of the compass they show. Additionally, the NM(db) for the main channels is greater than 30. Their guide says that an attic mounted antennae should cover all the channels I care about, but not exactly sure which brand of antenna would be best. I understand a roof mount would be ideal and that I may need a pre-amp, but would rather atatic-mount if the signal is okay, so I am looking for suggestions or recommendations. Had been looking at the channel master CM-4228HD and a CM-C7778 Pre-amp, but not sure if that is overkill.



If it matters, I will probably pair the antenna with a tivo bolt and 1 or two minis as well as some roku's and an apple tv to get content on 3 tvs. Thanks in advance for the feedback and advice!


I live in west Cobb, I would think, closer than you, and for two TVs needed a preamp. I have a Channel Master DVR+. Really like it.

In my opinion, I'd go for ever kill. Good luck.

I also have a Roku and use PlayStation Vue for cable channels.


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The 4228HD is designed for UHF, real channels 14-51. You have two VHF-High channels WXIA NBC real channel 10 and WGTV PBS real channel 8. I suggest the Winegard HD7694P and the 7778. You do have a second PBS, WPBA.

The signal loss in an attic is difficult to predict, because of differences in construction. It will require some experimentation. Aluminum heat barrier, aluminum siding, stucco mesh, and a metal roof will block signals, as will trees or other buildings. I suggest you try the antenna in different locations with it aimed at about 165 to 170 degrees magnetic. Use the signal strength indicator of a TV to help you or the diagnostics screen on the TiVo if the Bolt has that feature. Don't drill any holes yet.

If ION is important to you, it is in a different direction and will require a separate antenna with a custom combiner.
That is a valid point, but the CM-4228HD will also receive High VHF in strong signal areas, and actually performs very well in suburban Atlanta. Local installers including Dow Electronics reliably recommend it. And WXIA has a strong signal for High VHF, and one of the higher power levels on RF10. Of course attic installs can have their own issues and complications. Optimal placement and adjustments may be necessary.
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Thank you much for all the feedback and suggestions, sounds like a roof mount is the way to go.


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BTW: WATC (Ch41) is ALSO in the opposite direction...but it's so strong it's likely to come in anyway...although MULTIPATH COULD be excessive....so try up to +/- 20-deg pointing angle away from 168-deg (re True North).
Certainly you are more experienced than me in this area, so forgive the dumb question. Are you saying to get a movable directional antenna or just advising that I move the antenna I suggested +/- 20 degrees to find the optimal reception point?
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WSB TV translator 31

This translator has been my strongest signal from the Atlanta market, top notch, no drop outs... I decided to check ota signals yesterday, and WSB 2.5 (channel 31) was not there...I am in Toccoa and receive all the Atlanta station, except ch 11/10. Do any of you guys use ota and still receive WSB TV 2.5... that translator is located in Winder (I think)..

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Anybody in the Roswell/East Cobb area have any equipment suggestions for getting solid OTA signals? Roof mount is fine, just looking for a good suggestion.
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Anybody in the Roswell/East Cobb area have any equipment suggestions for getting solid OTA signals? Roof mount is fine, just looking for a good suggestion.
I would suggest you run a TV signal analysis report for your location at TV Fool and then post the link to the results here. That will provide the needed signal strength information to give you some good suggestions.
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Anybody in the Roswell/East Cobb area have any equipment suggestions for getting solid OTA signals? Roof mount is fine, just looking for a good suggestion.
Can't go wrong with this one. This antenna works well in the Atlanta metro area.

https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Maste...+master+4228hd
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WPXA moved to 31 some time ago.

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Thanks for the info Trip... that really screws up my ota channel 2 signal... I m in one those orphan counties on the S.C. border.. hopefully the fcc will soon allow Dish and Direct to feed us Georgia stations..

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This translator has been my strongest signal from the Atlanta market, top notch, no drop outs... I decided to check ota signals yesterday, and WSB 2.5 (channel 31) was not there...I am in Toccoa and receive all the Atlanta station, except ch 11/10. Do any of you guys use ota and still receive WSB TV 2.5... that translator is located in Winder (I think)..
Barrow County for sure, not technically within the Winder city limits. I can see the tower from my house.

Speaking of which, this appears to have something to do with my loss of WPXA. When I am able to get WPXA in scans, ION will show up on virtual 2.4 in place of Laff TV. When I am not able to get it, LAff shows up on 14.1 in place of ION (and I don't get any of the sub channels from WPXA either). This was a mystery to me for some time, until I realized that WPXA had moved to RF 31.
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WPXA moved to 31 some time ago.

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It moved to 31 back in the summer of 2015. Right about that time I lost WPXA and was confused for a while. I changed out all my cables, assuming it had something to do with signal loss. It really had everything to do with the WSB translator being on 31 and overpowering the WPXA signal.
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In my enthusiasm, I did not notice that the 5 channels from 14 were not being picked up. That is unfortunate. I hope that I'm able to pick them up again soon.
Back at the time this was happening, nobody mentioned that WPXA had moved to RF 31 within a week or two of my posts. Knowing that the WSB translator, that I can see from my front door, is on RF 31 would've explained everything. I don't know of a way to block that signal, since I have to point in that direction to get signals out of Atlanta. I like WPXA but not enough to sacrifice the other channels.
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We will be moving to Serenbe, a development in sw Fulton County near Palmetto. I'm looking to mount an antenna in the attic, probably 25-30' above ground. TVfool printout attached. Recognizing the issues with interference in the attic, what antenna do you think I should try? I'd like to get the broadcast networks in HD digital plus the pbs stations. I'm thinking the channelmaster 4228 with a medium gain amp - I'm confused about what will pick up WSB [17][SE direction] and the two PBS stations along with the broadcast network channels to the NE. Thoughts?
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We will be moving to Serenbe, a development in sw Fulton County near Palmetto. I'm looking to mount an antenna in the attic, probably 25-30' above ground. TVfool printout attached. Recognizing the issues with interference in the attic, what antenna do you think I should try? I'd like to get the broadcast networks in HD digital plus the pbs stations. I'm thinking the channelmaster 4228 with a medium gain amp - I'm confused about what will pick up WSB [17][SE direction] and the two PBS stations along with the broadcast network channels to the NE. Thoughts?
ABC is the same on both 17 and 39 (2.1). If you get 39 you won't need 17. 39 is in the same direction as all the other channels.

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We will be moving to Serenbe, a development in sw Fulton County near Palmetto. I'm looking to mount an antenna in the attic, probably 25-30' above ground. TVfool printout attached. Recognizing the issues with interference in the attic, what antenna do you think I should try? I'd like to get the broadcast networks in HD digital plus the pbs stations. I'm thinking the channelmaster 4228 with a medium gain amp - I'm confused about what will pick up WSB [17][SE direction] and the two PBS stations along with the broadcast network channels to the NE. Thoughts?
4228 should do fine EXCEPT. I used one in the attic from Cumming and got all the channels. However that was the old 4228 which worked OK with VHF (channels 8 and 11). The new 4228 doesn't do as well on VHF. You may need to supplement the 4228 with a VHF antenna.

However the Clearstream 4 works well at your distance in an attic and has a VHF addon. And is easier to manoeuver in an attic! Know several people 30-35 miles from the Atlanta broadcast towers who use one and it does very well.

Medium preamp - probably yes. That can also be ordered with a Clearstream from Antennas Direct. Frys (Milton) also carries the Clearstream 4 for pickup.

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4228 should do fine EXCEPT. I used one in the attic from Cumming and got all the channels. However that was the old 4228 which worked OK with VHF (channels 8 and 11). The new 4228 doesn't do as well on VHF. You may need to supplement the 4228 with a VHF antenna.

However the Clearstream 4 works well at your distance in an attic and has a VHF addon. And is easier to manoeuver in an attic! Know several people 30-35 miles from the Atlanta broadcast towers who use one and it does very well.

Medium preamp - probably yes. That can also be ordered with a Clearstream from Antennas Direct. Frys (Milton) also carries the Clearstream 4 for pickup.
thanks. I'll checkout the Clearstream. The VHF issue was one I wasn't clear on.
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Hello trying to cut the cord. Need help determining a good antenna setup (amplifiers needed?) for my situation. Would prefer attic install over outside if I can get away with it.

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Hello trying to cut the cord. Need help determining a good antenna setup (amplifiers needed?) for my situation. Would prefer attic install over outside if I can get away with it.

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This is always a good antenna for the Atlanta area:

https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Maste...+master+4228hd

but by the looks of your TV Fool profile, you're going to have a tough time with an attic install. You might want to consider going up on the roof.
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This is always a good antenna for the Atlanta area:

https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Maste...+master+4228hd

but by the looks of your TV Fool profile, you're going to have a tough time with an attic install. You might want to consider going up on the roof.
I was afraid of that.

I'll try the attic first and try to point out of the side (gable) and see how well it goes.

I've heard that an FM trap can be useful in helping the signal. I looked at FM fool and I do have one station within 7 miles of me. Should I consider purchasing a trap or get a preamp with one built in?

Thanks for the help!
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I was afraid of that.

I'll try the attic first and try to point out of the side (gable) and see how well it goes.

I've heard that an FM trap can be useful in helping the signal. I looked at FM fool and I do have one station within 7 miles of me. Should I consider purchasing a trap or get a preamp with one built in?

Thanks for the help!
That I can't help you with. Don't know much about FM traps.
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Hello trying to cut the cord. Need help determining a good antenna setup (amplifiers needed?) for my situation. Would prefer attic install over outside if I can get away with it.

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Atlanta has two VHF channels (PBS 8 and NBC 10). The new CM 4228 is not good at VHF. You might want to consider a Clearstream 4 with a VHF retrofit kit. The C4 is an easy install (both inside an attic or outside) due to its size and shape (very maneuverable). I have friends using it 30 to 40 miles from the broadcast towers (in attics). Since Georgia is a tree surrounded area, the C4 does well in this situation.

A preamp with an FM trap may well be needed at your distance. The RCA TVPRAMP1Z is a good one.
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Atlanta has two VHF channels (PBS 8 and NBC 10). The new CM 4228 is not good at VHF. You might want to consider a Clearstream 4 with a VHF retrofit kit. The C4 is an easy install (both inside an attic or outside) due to its size and shape (very maneuverable). I have friends using it 30 to 40 miles from the broadcast towers (in attics). Since Georgia is a tree surrounded area, the C4 does well in this situation.

A preamp with an FM trap may well be needed at your distance. The RCA TVPRAMP1Z is a good one.
The Clearstream 4V sold at Best Buy now comes with the VHF dipole included. So you should be good to go there. And the RCA preamp is sold at Lowe's.

However, while optimized for UHF, the Channel Master 4228 does receive High VHF in strong suburban signal areas, and the antenna experts at Dow Electronics recommend it for the Atlanta metro area. Unless you are too far out or have problems with trees or such. But Channel Master does claim High VHF capability and is indicated in the marketing on the box itself. And in my area of Upstate SC, it does receive a problematic Channel 13 at 50 miles, as well as Channels 7 and 9. Although to be safe you may want to go with the CS4V.
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However, while optimized for UHF, the Channel Master 4228 does receive High VHF in strong suburban signal areas, and the antenna experts at Dow Electronics recommend it for the Atlanta metro area. Unless you are too far out or have problems with trees or such. But Channel Master does claim High VHF capability and is indicated in the marketing on the box itself. And in my area of Upstate SC, it does receive a problematic Channel 13 at 50 miles, as well as Channels 7 and 9.
I have a friend, 32 miles from the broadcast towers here in Atlanta, put up a 4228 in his attic (4 months ago) and had problems getting VHF (NBC & PBS). Both channels were in and out. He switched it out for the C4 (with VHF kit) and was good to go for PBS & NBC. That's why I'm a bit skeptical about an attic install using the current 4228 for VHF. My old 4228 got VHF wonderfully. But I'm told that the 4228HD reflector is made for VHF reception.

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Well like I said, the Clearstream 4V may indeed be the better choice. And an amp if necessary. The RCA preamp is sold at Lowe's and Fry's but may be cheaper if you order from Walmart online with free ship to store.
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I am also in Marietta and have OTA working on TVs and HDHomeRun using a cheap RCA "bat wing" in my attic. Looking to upgrade but the ClearStream 4V that's good with VHF is $150 on Amazon. The 2V also has VHF and is only $93. The RCA ANT751R Yagi is only $43.99 and seems well-reviewed. Another cheap Yagi option is the ViewTV DA-290 at $29.99 with 9db VHF gain.

I'm willing to spend $150 if I need to, but is the 4V or even the 2V really worth the money? Would like to stay in the attic if possible.

I can't get WPBA 21 at all. The other PBS station I get, but flaky (WGTV-DT 8). FOX 27 has always been a little flaky. NBC 10 used to be solid but is now getting flaky.

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I am also in Marietta and have OTA working on TVs and HDHomeRun using a cheap RCA "bat wing" in my attic. Looking to upgrade but the ClearStream 4V that's good with VHF is $150 on Amazon. The 2V also has VHF and is only $93. The RCA ANT751R Yagi is only $43.99 and seems well-reviewed. Another cheap Yagi option is the ViewTV DA-290 at $29.99 with 9db VHF gain.

I'm willing to spend $150 if I need to, but is the 4V or even the 2V really worth the money? Would like to stay in the attic if possible.

I can't get WPBA 21 at all. The other PBS station I get, but flaky (WGTV-DT 8). FOX 27 has always been a little flaky. NBC 10 used to be solid but is now getting flaky.

Can't post my TVFool link but its essentially the same as ghengisk78 above.
Several years ago a Marietta friend installed the old Channel Master 4228 antenna in his attic and got all the Atlanta channels from 80 to 100% signal strength (UHF & VHF). Marietta is not a difficult area for OTA reception. My guess is that the new 4228HD would do the same for you - replace the batwing. You might need a preamp and an inexpensive one like the RCA TVPRAMP1Z will do fine.
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I am also in Marietta and have OTA working on TVs and HDHomeRun using a cheap RCA "bat wing" in my attic. Looking to upgrade but the ClearStream 4V that's good with VHF is $150 on Amazon. The 2V also has VHF and is only $93. The RCA ANT751R Yagi is only $43.99 and seems well-reviewed. Another cheap Yagi option is the ViewTV DA-290 at $29.99 with 9db VHF gain.

I'm willing to spend $150 if I need to, but is the 4V or even the 2V really worth the money? Would like to stay in the attic if possible.

I can't get WPBA 21 at all. The other PBS station I get, but flaky (WGTV-DT 8). FOX 27 has always been a little flaky. NBC 10 used to be solid but is now getting flaky.

Can't post my TVFool link but its essentially the same as ghengisk78 above.
I'm in Marietta just off the square and have the RCA ANT751R in my attic and connected to a HDHomerun. My reception is very good on almost all channels with the exception of some of the low power stations which can be spotty. Even the VHF stations come in almost perfectly. My neighbor next door has the newer Channel Master 4228 in his attic and his reception is near perfect on all channels, even VHF channels. Of course, YMMV, but hope this helps.
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