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Just upgraded my attic antenna to a CM-4228HD this week. I can finally pick up WUEO-LD 49.1 MeTV perfectly. It's so nice to have MeTV once again! I live in Marietta and have no problem picking up this channel with my new antenna.
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WPCH-17 moving from RF 20 to 31 for repack

Since WPCH is moving from RF 20 to 31 for the upcoming spectrum repack (in 2019?), it looks like the existing WSB translator (near Monroe) on RF 31 will eliminate over the air coverage for WPCH here in Athens. I am hoping that the folks at the two stations are aware of this issue...sure hoping WSB will either move or shut down that RF31 translator. I can still receive WSB's main transmitter on RF 39 from downtown Atlanta.
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Since WPCH is moving from RF 20 to 31 for the upcoming spectrum repack (in 2019?), it looks like the existing WSB translator (near Monroe) on RF 31 will eliminate over the air coverage for WPCH here in Athens. I am hoping that the folks at the two stations are aware of this issue...sure hoping WSB will either move or shut down that RF31 translator. I can still receive WSB's main transmitter on RF 39 from downtown Atlanta.
There likely will be a window of time that stations can apply for translator licenses (if any channels remain available) but the translator will definitely not still be on RF31.
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ThisTV appears to be in the 36.2 spot now
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Quest is on 11.4
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Quest is on 11.4
Nice to have another channel....but on the other hand hate to think how much bit bandwidth is being snatched away from 11.1-11.3 to accommodate it. And it occurs to me that the winter Olympics will be carried on 11.1. At least the major network stations in Atlanta usually do a pretty good job of multiplexing the subchannels without starving the main HD feeds into pixelation.
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Quest is on 11.4
Just noticed this. Quest looks like a cross between Discovery Channel/Military Channel/History Channel.
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ThisTV appears to be in the 36.2 spot now
So, ThisTV is now on 12.1, 32.2, and 36.2. Interesting.
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So, ThisTV is now on 12.1, 32.2, and 36.2. Interesting.
Yeah, I sure wish that MeTV had moved to 36.2. Where I am I can barely get 49.1....usually only at night.

Also, 17.2 was still broadcasting a very ugly simulcast of 17.1 the last time time I checked. Holding out hope for a new channel there, now that we know Quest is on 11.4.

All that said, I hesitate to complain about getting so much content FREE, compared to my pre-cord-cutting days (!).
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Yeah, I sure wish that MeTV had moved to 36.2. Where I am I can barely get 49.1....usually only at night.

Also, 17.2 was still broadcasting a very ugly simulcast of 17.1 the last time time I checked. Holding out hope for a new channel there, now that we know Quest is on 11.4.

All that said, I hesitate to complain about getting so much content FREE, compared to my pre-cord-cutting days (!).
I'm surprised you are able to pick up 49.1 at all over in Athens. Are you not able to get MeTV broadcast out of Toccoa from where you are? 32.1 I think it is.
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I'm surprised you are able to pick up 49.1 at all over in Athens. Are you not able to get MeTV broadcast out of Toccoa from where you are? 32.1 I think it is.
I have a high gain, outdoor UHF antenna (91XG model) w/preamp that enables reception of even the low power Atlanta channels (like 26 & 32). But the Toccoa station (WGTA, virtual 32, RF 24) is even lower in strength at my location, since Athens is in the shadow of a mountain top just south of Toccoa. It's really obvious on the signal map plots available at tvfool.com. The signal "shadow" on these maps is similar to the ones cast by Stone Mountain for the Atlanta stations...which thankfully do not fall on Athens, with the exception of WSB on RF 39.
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WPCH 17.2 Purpose?

WPCH (virtual 17, RF 20) has been running a duplicate subchannel 17.2 for a few months(?) now, with a much lower bit rate than 17.1.

Has anyone speculated what the purpose of doing this would be? I would assume it is a test for a future new channel. But using such a low and ugly bit rate (haven't measured it yes...rough guess one megabit) does seem odd if it is a test for a future subchannel.

But it sure would be wonderful if MeTV could move there from 49.1, putting it on a full power outlet. Trying not to get my hopes up for that. And in the meantime WSB's translator on virtual 2.6 (RF 31) still displays the MeTV remnant in the PSIP. Has been months since WSB dropped MeTV.
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[QUOTE=tustinfarm;55642772]WPCH (virtual 17, RF 20) has been running a duplicate subchannel 17.2 for a few months(?) now, with a much lower bit rate than 17.1.
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Perhaps it's a watered down feed of the main 17.1 aimed at the local cable systems.

Will the last subscriber leaving Dish Network please turn off the satellite.
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WAGA Fox 5.x Trivia

Have been using TSReader software paired with a Hauppauge tuner recently to view the detailed bitstream information on assorted over the air channels. Fun to see the raw bit rates and encoding resolutions that are being used.

I noticed that 5.2 (Movies!) and 5.3 (Buzzr) have very odd horizontal video resolutions....544 X 480i. I don't believe that is even part of the ATSC 1.0 specification. A more typical resolution for a subchannel is 720 X 480i, as used for 5.4 (LightTV). These channels each have about 2.2 total megabits of bandwidth assigned, which is not great, but sadly not terribly unusual these days when more and more subchannels are packed in.

A horizontal resolution of 544 pixels is part of the ATSC standard for 25/50 Hz frame rate source material (e.g. europe), but in those cases the vertical resolution would be set to 576.

Certainly for the Movies! channel the low horizontal resolution (544 versus 720) may explain how soft the picture looks at times.
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I read somewhere that the 17.2 feed is to feed Canadian cable systems. When TBS split off from the local WTBS feed, the Canadian cable systems continued carrying the OTA feed (there is a list of US stations that allowed to be imported into Canada by satellite). The alternate feed probably allows them eliminate programming that wouldn't be of interest to Canadian viewers or air ads at them.
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I read somewhere that the 17.2 feed is to feed Canadian cable systems. When TBS split off from the local WTBS feed, the Canadian cable systems continued carrying the OTA feed (there is a list of US stations that allowed to be imported into Canada by satellite). The alternate feed probably allows them eliminate programming that wouldn't be of interest to Canadian viewers or air ads at them.
Virtual channel 17.x in Atlanta is WPCH, RF20 ("Peachtree TV")....and the 17.2 feed is a duplicate of 17.1...with a miserable quality picture, owing to the MPEG-2 stream encoded at a 0.5 megabits data rate....versus a great 16 megabits for 17.1. The picture quality on 17.2 is so bad that it just has to be some kind of test configuration, for what purpose I can't imagine.

"WTBS" in Atlanta is a low power station (26.x, RF30) with no relationship whatsoever to the TBS cable network, and total of six channels...and the subchannels are also a mis-configured mess. Low bit rates...and incorrect aspect ratio settings (example: the channel 26.4 source (France 24 network) is 16:9 content, but is being broadcast with a 4:3 aspect ratio setting....ouch!).
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Have been using TSReader software paired with a Hauppauge tuner recently to view the detailed bitstream information on assorted over the air channels. Fun to see the raw bit rates and encoding resolutions that are being used.

I noticed that 5.2 (Movies!) and 5.3 (Buzzr) have very odd horizontal video resolutions....544 X 480i. I don't believe that is even part of the ATSC 1.0 specification. A more typical resolution for a subchannel is 720 X 480i, as used for 5.4 (LightTV). These channels each have about 2.2 total megabits of bandwidth assigned, which is not great, but sadly not terribly unusual these days when more and more subchannels are packed in.

A horizontal resolution of 544 pixels is part of the ATSC standard for 25/50 Hz frame rate source material (e.g. europe), but in those cases the vertical resolution would be set to 576.

Certainly for the Movies! channel the low horizontal resolution (544 versus 720) may explain how soft the picture looks at times.
There are a variety of widths used, but only two values present in the ATSC standard. The two standard values are 640x480 and 704x480. Some stations are additionally using the non-standard values 352x480, 480x480, 528x480, 544x480, and 720x480.

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When TBS split off from the local WTBS feed, the Canadian cable systems continued carrying the OTA feed (there is a list of US stations that allowed to be imported into Canada by satellite).
correct. Along with WGN 9 from Chicago (not WGN cable)

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WSB Translator (RF 31, Virtual 2.3,2.5,2.6) Off The Air

Noticed today that the WSB translator on RF 31 is off the air. Hopefully just a temporary glitch, and not making way super early for WPCH's move from RF 20 to 31 in next year's re-pack. I can still receive the main RF 39 transmitter (2.1,2.2,2.3) most of the time, thankfully. With WSB RF31 off the air I am temporarily able to receive WPXA (Rome,GA) by aiming my antenna about 30 degrees northward from the usual Atlanta direction.
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WUVG Translator (RF 17) Off the Air

I noticed a few days ago that the WUVG (Channel 34.x) station translator (RF 17) is off the air. I am still able to receive the main transmitter from Atlanta (RF 48).
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LightTV Channel 5.4 "Super Stretchovision"

Have to laugh when tuning in 5.4 LightTV network. The LightTV network begins by stretching old shows that were shot in 4:3 aspect ratio to 16:9. Then on top of that, WAGA letterboxes it back to 4:3, and re-stretches it one more time to 16:9 just for good measure (snapshot attached from a Flipper show), giving it that big widescreen movie effect. Sigh.
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Have to laugh when tuning in 5.4 LightTV network. The LightTV network begins by stretching old shows that were shot in 4:3 aspect ratio to 16:9. Then on top of that, WAGA letterboxes it back to 4:3, and re-stretches it one more time to 16:9 just for good measure (snapshot attached from a Flipper show), giving it that big widescreen movie effect. Sigh.
Yeah, I wish they would change that. There a few shows I would like to watch on that channel but I just cannot deal with the aspect ratio.
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I noticed a few days ago that the WUVG (Channel 34.x) station translator (RF 17) is off the air. I am still able to receive the main transmitter from Atlanta (RF 48).
The WSB translator came back on the air today...hopefully just coincidentally after I left a voice message with the station engineering department to inquire about the status.

One thing that has always seemed odd to me is their insistence on overlapping the 2.3 LAFF virtual channels on the two transmitters...

2.1 (ABC) ,2.2 (Bounce) ,2.3 (LAFF) from RF 39 (main transmitter)
2.3 (LAFF), 2.5 ABC), 2.6 (Bounce) from RF 31 (translator between Atlanta and Athens)

Why they never used 2.4 always puzzled me.

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The WSB translator came back on the air today...hopefully just coincidentally after I left a voice message with the station engineering department to inquire about the status.

One thing that has always seemed odd to me is their insistence on overlapping the 2.3 LAFF virtual channels on the two transmitters...

2.1 (ABC) ,2.2 (Bounce) ,2.3 (LAFF) from RF 39 (main transmitter)
2.3 (LAFF), 2.5 (ABC), 2.6 (Bounce) from RF 31 (translator between Atlanta and Athens)

Why they never used 2.4 always puzzled me.
Clearly, nobody's been out to poke at the channel 31 equipment since Laff was added. Laff should be on 2.7 on that translator, but the PSIP changing computer was clearly configured before 2.3 was added, so it's not replacing the PSIP for the 2.3 stream.

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How long has 30.2 NHK been up? I just noticed it this morning.
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I noticed a few days ago that the WUVG (Channel 34.x) station translator (RF 17) is off the air. I am still able to receive the main transmitter from Atlanta (RF 48).
I called WUVG (Univision) yesterday to make sure they were aware their translator on RF 17 has been off the air for the past week or so and that they've lost coverage in the Athens area. Of course, they did not know what I meant ("we're still on the air, your antenna must have a problem"), but at least they forwarded me to someone's voice mailbox.
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How long has 30.2 NHK been up? I just noticed it this morning.
That must be very new; I captured the TSReader data for WPBA on March 15th, and at that time only 30.1 going. Is 30.2 NHK content only?

I can't usually receive WPBA in Athens due to its low signal strength and a stronger Greenville SC signal that's on the same channel, despite my directional antenna.
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Yeah, I wish they would change that. There a few shows I would like to watch on that channel but I just cannot deal with the aspect ratio.
I exchanged some emails with the engineer at WAGA yesterday on this topic, and also sent an email w/snapshots to the LightTV network.

I noticed this morning that the extra stretch and letterboxing is gone(!), so the picture now matches the live feed from the LightTV web site. I would like to think that all of my efforts paid off, but more likely just a co-incidence.

On the other hand, for many of the LighTV shows there is still significant stretch distortion since the network stretches all 4:3 sources to 16:9, to "fill the screen" at all times. So it can still look pretty ugly. I always picture a film director with a tear running down their cheek, after coming across one of their old films shot in 2.35:1 Panavision format....which was chopped down to 4:3 shape, and then re-stretched to 16:9 for broadcast. Must be really cheap to acquire broadcast rights to air monstrosities like that. Reminiscent of the bargain bins of public domain VHS tapes in stores, back in the day.
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I exchanged some emails with the engineer at WAGA yesterday on this topic, and also sent an email w/snapshots to the LightTV network.

I noticed this morning that the extra stretch and letterboxing is gone(!), so the picture now matches the live feed from the LightTV web site. I would like to think that all of my efforts paid off, but more likely just a co-incidence.

On the other hand, for many of the LighTV shows there is still significant stretch distortion since the network stretches all 4:3 sources to 16:9, to "fill the screen" at all times. So it can still look pretty ugly. I always picture a film director with a tear running down their cheek, after coming across one of their old films shot in 2.35:1 Panavision format....which was chopped down to 4:3 shape, and then re-stretched to 16:9 for broadcast. Must be really cheap to acquire broadcast rights to air monstrosities like that. Reminiscent of the bargain bins of public domain VHS tapes in stores, back in the day.
Thanks for taking the initiative to contact the engineer at WAGA. I'll bet the results ARE a result of your e-mails. For the most part, it doesn't seem to be that the station engineers pay too much attention to their sub-channels.

My wife and I are two different animals when it comes to aspect ratio...it doesn't matter to her what it looks like...I am a real stickler for wanting to view in the original aspect ratio.
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I called WUVG (34.x, Univision) yesterday to make sure they were aware their translator on RF 17 has been off the air for the past week or so and that they've lost coverage in the Athens area. Of course, they did not know what I meant ("we're still on the air, your antenna must have a problem"), but at least they forwarded me to someone's voice mailbox.
I received a call from the Univision station today, confirming that their engineer went out to the RF 17 translator station (near Braselton, GA) and confirmed it was off the air. Parts have been ordered. Thanked me for calling them since they were not aware they were off the air. Too bad us OTA folks are such a small minority of the viewers. And startling to think that a broadcasters depend on viewers to notify them they are off the air or have technical issues. But I am happy when a broadcaster actually responds to calls or emails.
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