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Trip, please let us know as details come out.

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Reception this weekend
The reception this weekend has been nothing short of amazing. Saturday I scanned 66 channels. Today I scanned 59. Some channels that appeared were MPT channel 28 from Salisbury, MD and WGNT channel 27 from Portsmouth. Those channels are one that my TV has never seen before. WAVY TV 10 from Norfolk also came in from 142.3 miles away.
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Reception this weekend
The reception this weekend has been nothing short of amazing. Saturday I scanned 66 channels. Today I scanned 59. Some channels that appeared were MPT channel 28 from Salisbury, MD and WGNT channel 27 from Portsmouth. Those channels are one that my TV has never seen before. WAVY TV 10 from Norfolk also came in from 142.3 miles away.
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I had something like that. My DTV Pal DVR auto-scans and adds new channels. It added several from down by the coast. However, when I went to those new channels it was unable to lock a signal. So, I assume we had some favorable tropo of some kind going on.
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TV3 - Harrisonburg and the repack

You can read the coverage here: http://www.whsv.com/content/news/IMP...489783341.html

. . . but the thing I can't figure out is whether they'll have any OTA coverage during the transition. Big Mountain and Elliott Knob will go off, but will any transmitter still be on the air then? Where?

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The translator on Elliot Knob is being replaced with the full-power channel 20 signal. See here:

https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....8&site=1&map=Y

They've then requested a permit for not one, not two, but three additional translators. They're referring specifically to a new one at the current site, which has this map:

https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....f&site=4&map=Y

More importantly, their request to transition by September 1 has yet to be approved by the FCC.

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The translator on Elliot Knob is being replaced with the full-power channel 20 signal. See here:

https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....8&site=1&map=Y

They've then requested a permit for not one, not two, but three additional translators. They're referring specifically to a new one at the current site, which has this map:

https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....f&site=4&map=Y

More importantly, their request to transition by September 1 has yet to be approved by the FCC.

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So -- just trying to figure this out -- will TV3 have *any* OTA presence after taking down those transmitters August 28? I gather the answer is "yes" but where's the transmitter that will continue?

("All WHSV viewers, in any location, who watch us OTA will need to rescan their channels Tuesday morning, August 28th as WHSV’s OTA signal will move from Channel 49 to Channel 20," the station says . . . just trying to figure out where to point the antenna and, more importantly, how to point things in an upcoming repair. That StealthTenna in the picture below is currently pointed at Big Mountain and gather that will soon be useless.)

Long-term, looking good with Elliot Knob full-power on 20 and a Massanutten translator on 34.

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Yes, they will turn off channel 49 from the current facility and move to channel 20 from Elliot Knob. (The channel 51 Elliot Knob signal will also be turned off.) They're building a new tower there, and the signal will be 287 kW, up from the 65 kW they run now from the current site.

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Yes, they will turn off channel 49 from the current facility and move to channel 20 from Elliot Knob. (The channel 51 Elliot Knob signal will also be turned off.) They're building a new tower there, and the signal will be 287 kW, up from the 65 kW they run now from the current site.

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One more thing: I understand that the expected completion date for the Massanutten translator on channel 34 is 3 to 6 months out, but uncertain since the construction permit has not yet been issued. Signal Knob happens sooner because the CP has been issued.
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One more thing: I understand that the expected completion date for the Massanutten translator on channel 34 is 3 to 6 months out, but uncertain since the construction permit has not yet been issued. Signal Knob happens sooner because the CP has been issued.
Was there supposed to be a question?

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Was there supposed to be a question?

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If I understood correctly, there was no issue about the construction permit for the translator on 34, just a matter of time. (Unlike the original 49-to-20 issue involving the National Radio Astronomy Observatory -- https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...5c89664035187a)

(Just for the record, I am quite the amateur on all of these subjects.)
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If I understood correctly, there was no issue about the construction permit for the translator on 34, just a matter of time. (Unlike the original 49-to-20 issue involving the National Radio Astronomy Observatory -- https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...5c89664035187a)

(Just for the record, I am quite the amateur on all of these subjects.)
No, it's inside the quiet zone and requires coordination. Note that the transmitter site is inside the gray rectangle:

https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....=&cir=&circen=

But the contour looks designed to avoid issues with the NRAO and will likely be approved by them, it will just take time.

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TV3 repack action delayed

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All WHSV viewers, in any location, who watch us OTA will need to rescan their channels Tuesday morning, August 28th as WHSV’s OTA signal will move from Channel 49 to Channel 20."
But now that transition is delayed because regulatory approval was not received in time. The station announced the delay, did not give a new date, and only said another date would be set in the future. The original notice at http://www.whsv.com/content/news/IMP...489783341.html does not seem to have been updated.
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But now that transition is delayed because regulatory approval was not received in time. The station announced the delay, did not give a new date, and only said another date would be set in the future.
At https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...6612aa27742a5d it says "The Station has all needed equipment on-site and its vendors are available to conduct all tower work this Fall." (pending regulatory approval, of course, with the new date being December 2018).
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Repack moved to Dec. 5 for WHSV-TV3

Apparently WHSV-TV3's expected repack day is now December 5:

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/IM...499430771.html

"All WHSV viewers, in any location, who watch us OTA will need to rescan their channels Wednesday morning, December 5th as WHSV’s OTA signal will move from Channel 49 to Channel 20."
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They do have the FCC approval this time, so it can actually happen.

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They do have the FCC approval this time, so it can actually happen.

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Yes, and from the ordinary antenna-user side, the question is when that translator on RF 34 at Massanutten will be up. (From Harrisonburg, the new transmitter on 20 at Elliot's Knob is way off-axis for many existing setups.)
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Yes, and from the ordinary antenna-user side, the question is when that translator on RF 34 at Massanutten will be up. (From Harrisonburg, the new transmitter on 20 at Elliot's Knob is way off-axis for many existing setups.)

That does not yet have approval.



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I see the red letters "Construction Permit" for that Channel 34 Massanutten translator for WHSV-TV3, but does that mean that the CP has been issued, or is being considered? (https://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/t...2=&EW=W&size=9)



(. . . as expected, TV3's main signal on RF 20 is marginal for me because my antenna is pointed at Massanutten, about 90 degrees off-axis. 34 would be great.)
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I see the red letters "Construction Permit" for that Channel 34 Massanutten translator for WHSV-TV3, but does that mean that the CP has been issued, or is being considered? (https://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/t...2=&EW=W&size=9)



(. . . as expected, TV3's main signal on RF 20 is marginal for me because my antenna is pointed at Massanutten, about 90 degrees off-axis. 34 would be great.)
It has been issued. They have 3(?) years to build it out...

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TVQuery is wrong. Not sure why. The applications remain pending.

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So if I can receive channel 51 from the Elliot Knob site I should be able to receive channel 3 from there as well? 51 is rock solid however not picking up 3. Thanks!
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So if I can receive channel 51 from the Elliot Knob site I should be able to receive channel 3 from there as well? 51 is rock solid however not picking up 3. Thanks!
Generally, yes. If you're south of Elliot Knob, think Lexington area, you're starting to get into the null area on the WHSV antenna, and WWCW in Lynchburg is temporarily co-channel with WHSV until it relocates to a new channel later this year which could cause some interference.

Otherwise, WHSV is just below WVPT on Elliot Knob, near where W22EX-D (the NBC29 translator) is broadcasting from.

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Generally, yes. If you're south of Elliot Knob, think Lexington area, you're starting to get into the null area on the WHSV antenna, and WWCW in Lynchburg is temporarily co-channel with WHSV until it relocates to a new channel later this year which could cause some interference.

Otherwise, WHSV is just below WVPT on Elliot Knob, near where W22EX-D (the NBC29 translator) is broadcasting from.

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Thank you for the response. I'm actually in the Masanetta Springs area and receiving 51 just fine but unable to receive WHSV. which is curious to me if they are xmitting from the same site. Thank you again. -Bill
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I'm actually in the Masanetta Springs area and receiving 51 just fine but unable to receive WHSV. which is curious to me if they are xmitting from the same site. Thank you again. -Bill
From where you are, do you get the Massanutten towers and Charlottesville and Richmond?

(From Bridgewater, I get all the Massanutten signals -- plus NBC29 from Charlottesville and none of the others; from Richmond, I get CBS6 and FOX35 reliably. WHSV is iffy for me because the antenna is pointed toward Charlottesville and Richmond, ~90 degrees off axis for Elliott Knob.)
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From where you are, do you get the Massanutten towers and Charlottesville and Richmond?

(From Bridgewater, I get all the Massanutten signals -- plus NBC29 from Charlottesville and none of the others; from Richmond, I get CBS6 and FOX35 reliably. WHSV is iffy for me because the antenna is pointed toward Charlottesville and Richmond, ~90 degrees off axis for Elliott Knob.)
Yes sir, i have an one antenna that pics up the Mass Peak channels, C'ville and RVA (35and6). I have a second antenna (same mast) that points toward EK that provides the WVPT feed. Both coax feeds from the antennas are combined near the TV. -Bill
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From where you are, do you get the Massanutten towers and Charlottesville and Richmond?

(From Bridgewater, I get all the Massanutten signals -- plus NBC29 from Charlottesville and none of the others; from Richmond, I get CBS6 and FOX35 reliably. WHSV is iffy for me because the antenna is pointed toward Charlottesville and Richmond, ~90 degrees off axis for Elliott Knob.)
Yes sir, i have an one antenna that pics up the Mass Peak channels, C'ville and RVA (35and6). I have a second antenna (same mast) that points toward EK that provides the WVPT feed. Both coax feeds from the antennas are combined near the TV. -Bill
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TV3 translators

I kinda miss TV3 . . . still trying to decide whether to put up another antenna and aim it at Elliott Knob. I'd probably go ahead if I could easily find a Channel 20 combiner. (Won't matter when TV3 builds this on Massanutten: https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/map-...000054695&.map but that's another story. I gather the other translators are higher priority and they don't have construction permits yet: https://www.whsv.com/content/news/IM...499430771.html)

Odd note: I get the new TV3 signal on RF 20 just fine when the weather is low and cloudy. I assume this happens because, in such weather, the "extra" signal that I get reflected is attenuated and the multipath problem goes away. In the clear weather we've been having, though, no luck.
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Is WSVF still on channel 43? I was seeing it pretty reliably and now I don't. When are the moving to channel 36.

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