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WKBS is adding Court TV soon....but I had no idea they were moving from UHF. Both Cornerstone and Court TV are free on roku which is good because there is no need for a new antenna.
Interesting as WKBS/WPCB told me years ago they won't be adding subchannels that aren't focused on Religion.....
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Thanks again for the heads up that WJAC was moved already. I kept looking earlier today but I seen no sign that 35 was lit up yet.

Luckily my PC DVR was 1-2-3 to re-scan and apply all the recording rules to the "new" channels.
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I rescanned my TV tonight and WKBS has added the following subchannels

47.1 CTVN
47.2 Court TV
47.3 Bounce
47.4 ION (has ctvn on currently)
47.6 Pittsburgh Faith Family Channel

Nothing on .5 yet
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I rescanned my TV tonight and WKBS has added the following subchannels

47.1 CTVN
47.2 Court TV
47.3 Bounce
47.4 ION (has ctvn on currently)
47.6 Pittsburgh Faith Family Channel

Nothing on .5 yet
Interesting that they add those subchannels right before they move to low vhf 6 that most won't get.
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I rescanned my TV tonight and WKBS has added the following subchannels

47.1 CTVN
47.2 Court TV
47.3 Bounce
47.4 ION (has ctvn on currently)
47.6 Pittsburgh Faith Family Channel

Nothing on .5 yet
I did the same thing about an hour ago and found the same thing.

And it is annoying that they’re giving the area something I wanted ten years ago, an ION affiliate, and as noted right before they likely become un-viewable for myself and many others.

I’m also hoping that I can receive WTAJ again after the second as they’ve been effectively off the air for almost a week for me.

How can I be sure in a world that's constantly changing?
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I did the same thing about an hour ago and found the same thing.

And it is annoying that they’re giving the area something I wanted ten years ago, an ION affiliate, and as noted right before they likely become un-viewable for myself and many others.

I’m also hoping that I can receive WTAJ again after the second as they’ve been effectively off the air for almost a week for me.
Does anyone know when Wtaj will be back on the air. Very strange they do not have a back up transmitter and antenna. It would not take much to get a small signal from Wopsy.
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I'm told WTAJ is on a backup facility right now. They hope to have their new main facility on the air by tomorrow.

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I rescanned my TV tonight and WKBS has added the following subchannels

47.1 CTVN
47.2 Court TV
47.3 Bounce
47.4 ION (has ctvn on currently)
47.6 Pittsburgh Faith Family Channel

Nothing on .5 yet
Does anyone else have an issue with 47.1 showing up as such? Since about 2010 or ‘11 it always scans in on my DigitalStream box as 46.3 without the virtual channel (from mid 2009 when I got a new antenna and could receive it consistently until then it scanned in correctly). It doesn’t seem to do this on other boxes or TVs, and this box doesn’t do it for any other channel. I assume it’s something in their setup that the particular tuner chip used by DigitalStream doesn’t like, but I am continually baffled by it.

How can I be sure in a world that's constantly changing?
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Does anyone else have an issue with 47.1 showing up as such? Since about 2010 or ‘11 it always scans in on my DigitalStream box as 46.3 without the virtual channel (from mid 2009 when I got a new antenna and could receive it consistently until then it scanned in correctly). It doesn’t seem to do this on other boxes or TVs, and this box doesn’t do it for any other channel. I assume it’s something in their setup that the particular tuner chip used by DigitalStream doesn’t like, but I am continually baffled by it.

When I last saw the station back in April, it had no PSIP. Can't tell if that was a momentary thing or not.



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When I last saw the station back in April, it had no PSIP. Can't tell if that was a momentary thing or not.



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Can anyone confirm if Wtaj 10 Altoona is on the air? Also, are they on the new rf-24? I cannot tell at my location. They are a 2-edge multi path signal here.
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Can anyone confirm if Wtaj 10 Altoona is on the air? Also, are they on the new rf-24? I cannot tell at my location. They are a 2-edge multi path signal here.
WTAJ and WATM are on the air and very strong where I live
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My rooftop antenna is out of service (thank you lightning) and I was able to get a lock on WTAJ this evening with a tiny mobile antenna from Johnstown’s West Hills.
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My rooftop antenna is out of service (thank you lightning) and I was able to get a lock on WTAJ this evening with a tiny mobile antenna from Johnstown’s West Hills.
Thanks for the replies on Wtaj 10. I am now getting them with a good signal. Low power Butler, Pa. Wjmb 60-1 (rf-17) now coming in on a regular basis here. Nice to get Retro and Get tv again.
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Interesting as WKBS/WPCB told me years ago they won't be adding subchannels that aren't focused on Religion.....

WPCB added CourtTV, Bounce, and Quest, and there is something coming to 40-5 at some point.
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WTAJ and WATM are coming in great, no issues there. However, TIVO dropped the ball on updating the changes and no guide information is available for the time being.
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ION is now airing on 47.4
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ION is now airing on 47.4
Wkbs 47 Altoona ION is 47.4/ Wpcb 40 Pittsburgh Quest tv is 40.4....Pittsburgh market carries Quest tv on the 4th subchannel. Altoona market carries Ion on 4th subchannel. There is a full power Winp (rf-16) broadcasting full Ion channels in the Pittsburgh market.
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So how do we petition someone to carry the CW in HD in our market? I know Johnstown gets Pittsburgh's CW but the eastern alleghenies cannot pick it up.

I assume WNEP ABC 16 translator 36 is no longer in their plans nor will there be a replacement.
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There's no one to "petition", all the full power stations in the market are taken by the Big 4 and PBS. Unless WKBS wants to affiliate one of their subchannels with The CW (which will probably go against their "family friendly" image), the chances of getting a local one in HD on a full power station are slim to none.

WNEP filed to have their State College translator's license cancelled back in March, it isn't coming back.

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There's no one to "petition", all the full power stations in the market are taken by the Big 4 and PBS. Unless WKBS wants to affiliate one of their subchannels with The CW (which will probably go against their "family friendly" image), the chances of getting a local one in HD on a full power station are slim to none.

WNEP filed to have their State College translator's license cancelled back in March, it isn't coming back.
Thanks Kyle. In a perfect world the CW uses the old WNEP translator.
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There's no one to "petition", all the full power stations in the market are taken by the Big 4 and PBS. Unless WKBS wants to affiliate one of their subchannels with The CW (which will probably go against their "family friendly" image), the chances of getting a local one in HD on a full power station are slim to none.

WNEP filed to have their State College translator's license cancelled back in March, it isn't coming back.
Thanks Kyle. In a perfect world the CW uses the old WNEP translator.
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Translators are not allowed to originate programming, they have to rebroadcast an existing station and be in the coverage area of the station they're rebroadcasting.

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can a translator rebroadcast from an existing translator? (could State College's "empty" translator rebroadcast Johnstown's CW translator?)
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There is no existing/empty translator to claim, the license was cancelled. The only way it could have been transferred is if WNEP sold it to someone else instead of cancelling the license. So anyone eligible for a translator in State College now has to start from scratch and apply for a new license. RF 36 is also no longer safe in State College because WITF in Harrisburg applied for a signal boost during the maximization window, and the FCC isn't accepting applications for new stations at this time.

If the window were open someone could also attempt to get a new allotment for a Low Power or Class A license and originate their own affiliate, but that also opens up a bidding process, meaning there's no guarantee they will be the one to get the new allotment. There's also no guarantee that The CW would be willing to affiliate with that station if CBS rather keep the extra cable and satellite coverage WPCW gets in the market.

It's not about how you get the signal you're rebroadcasting, it's all about the contour of the main station. Translators have to be within the contour of the main station, Johnstown is within WPCW's contour so they can have one, and even if they were allowed to apply for a translator based on the contour of another translator, State College is also well outside the Johnstown translator's contour:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....a&cir=&circen=

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can a translator rebroadcast from an existing translator? (could State College's "empty" translator rebroadcast Johnstown's CW translator?)
The thing to remember here is that we're traversing a lot of markets. The reason WPCW can serve as the de-facto CW affiliate for the Altoona/Johnstown television market is because it was originally allocated to Johnstown (and served as its CBS affiliate). The condition of moving its transmitter into Westmoreland County (the Pittsburgh DMA) was that they needed to continue to provide a grade B signal to Johnstown and Cambria County.

Until very recently (as of April this year), the eastern portion of the market did not receive WPCW even on cable. Comcast was carrying WPIX out of New York (in SD only) and replaced it with WPCW (in SD and HD) on the Comcast systems in State College, Philipsburg/Tyrone and Huntingdon.

WNEP had a translator in Centre County back in the days before Johnstown and Altoona/State College were unified as 1 television market. Before the mid-late 80s, there was no ABC affiliate for either of these markets. WTAE (Pittsburgh) was the de facto ABC for Johnstown and Altoona, WNEP was the de facto ABC for State College, and some areas also received WHTM out of Harrisburg instead. That mostly went away when WATM launched. They didn't shut it down until now.

It's a little bit of a special situation, because of the fact that unlike many other markets, this station was allowed to exist in another market. In most other markets, CW would have been launched as a subchannel on WJAC or WTAJ, most likely.
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Thanks for the discussion. Orioles brings up a question I was going to pivot towards anyways:
IF Fox 8 can be re-broadcast on ABC 23, why cant WPCW be re-broadcast on WTAJ?
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That's not a translator, it's two full power stations run by Sinclair simulcasting eachother on their subchannels.

Now if CBS purchased WTAJ from Nexstar or already owned it they could have done the same thing with WPCW, but ownership caps and the overlap with KDKA prevents them from owning stations in the DMA. Nexstar also now has their own groupwide deal with the Katz networks for their subchannels (Grit, Escape, Laff).

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I see, thanks.

On a different note,

If I purchased a UHF band filter pass for RF 22, would that block WJAC RF 22 and leave WTAJ RF 24 as is?
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So how do we petition someone to carry the CW in HD in our market? I know Johnstown gets Pittsburgh's CW but the eastern alleghenies cannot pick it up.

I assume WNEP ABC 16 translator 36 is no longer in their plans nor will there be a replacement.
The best bet would be to contact WKBS and suggest adding CWplus. It could be a stretch but then I never expected to see ION either.
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WPCB added CourtTV, Bounce, and Quest, and there is something coming to 40-5 at some point.
WKBS is adding DABL to 47.5 *Thanks to Rabbitears for the info*

It seems to be a cross between food network and HGTV. They will be showing Martha Stewarts library of shows and Emeril's plus more to come. This will be a good channel for us that cannot receive WPSU...speaking of WPSU they received a donation to redo their aging Transmitter system that must not be on full power? The article says they are running on limited power. Hopefully they finally put a repeater in Altoona

https://news.psu.edu/story/572362/20...pattee-library
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