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post #3481 of 3926 Old 11-01-2018, 09:56 AM
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This was strange. I re-scanned my channels tonight and ended up with 41-1 thru 41-6, all very clear. I've never gotten them before. By the way, I live in Bloomington and I have an antenna in my attic (don't ask me what kind, my husband installed it and he recently passed away.).

Sorry for your loss, I'm a widow too and it's a very hard loss. Channel 41 moved their transmitter a few months ago and changed their RF frequency. That made it easier to receive for some which apparently includes you. You should also be able to pickup some good general entertainment programming on channel 33.
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Well, 14 and its sub-channels are back on the air as of Thursday afternoon 11/01, just in time for the weekend 'Family Fun' flicks!

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SMBTV doesn't seem have the budget to have spare parts laying around. They also seem to have more outages than all the other LPs combined.
Lengthier outages, perhaps.
But for sheer number of them K33LN-D wins hands down!
Or, as you referred to it awhile back, the "farted piece of IT infrastructure" hasn't been reliably fixed/replaced even after the re-pack from channel 43 to 33.

Meanwhile, I'm much happier with their signal quality & stability since that move.

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I guess we've now entered (November 1st) the next re-pack phase.
Anything to expect in that regard for MSP during the coming 90 days?

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I guess we've now entered (November 1st) the next re-pack phase.
Anything to expect in that regard for MSP during the coming 90 days?
The only thing left in MSP is KSTC's move from 45 to 30 and that's in phase 3 (4/13/19-6/21/19).

Rochester is done with their two transitions (KIMT CBS 3 42->24 and KXLT FOX 47 46->26).

Eau Claire has one station in phase 2: WEUX (FOX 48) 49->21, 1,000kW->600kW.

WEAU (NBC 13) is due to transition from 38->17 in phase 9, retaining a 1,000kW ERP at 1,964 ft AGL. That's gonna be something to behold! They already lock with ease at 84 mi at my parent's place in Rochester.

Duluth's one transition is KQDS (FOX 21) 17->18, 1,000kW->1,000kW which also happens in phase 9.
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Anybody else having issues with KSTP RF35 the last two days?

Worked great Saturday for college football (70-73 on Tivo meter) but yesterday it was around 52 on the Tivo and pixeling. Today its 45-46 or drops to 0

All other (well the ones I can get like WCCO, KSTC, WFTC and WUCW) are all fine. Normal signals that I'm use to.
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Odd that you'd asked...

Strangeness on the ABC/KSTP signal.
At least as *I* experienced it over the past weekend.

Strong VIDEO signal all weekend but the "issues" (as you put it) fell solely for me within the AUDIO spectrum (re : St. Paul reception)


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Anybody else having issues with KSTP RF35 the last two days?
Worked great Saturday for college football (70-73 on Tivo meter) but yesterday it was around 52 on the Tivo and pixeling. Today its 45-46 or drops to 0

For me it WAS during college football broadcasts on Saturday.
What I experienced was both erratic and annoying:

ABC's signal seemed to either 'drop' (pixellate more than once) or lose solid signal lock during what MY decoders and TVs were doing with its audio feed.
Pixellation, Saturday mid-day, was infrequent.

Annoyingly present for audio?
Over and over again....

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Unsure that I can offer anything more specific, Uncle Honkey, as far as your VIDEO failures are concerned.

Specific to OTA broadcasting failures though....
I very much can verify that the channel 5 signal, this past Saturday during NCAA football broadcasts was, in some ways, *erratic* for at least this one highly-focused viewer.
(The caveat is, of course, that "your mileage may vary.")

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So did you notice KSTP's signal strength be lower than usual?
Since you're close to the towers you may not see a difference. But I'm 57 miles away (and 2edge) so the notice can be great if I turn my antenna mast the slightest

I did go out last night and try and turn my antenna to see and it only got worse. So I am "peaked" on the tower. Maybe tomorrow when it "warms up" (haha) maybe work on it some more

Here is my setup by the way. The VHF on the bottom is pointed south for KEYC Mankato.
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seems to have fixed itself as KSTP now shows 71-74 on the Tivo
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Well I see KEYC isnt going to get their Low powered channel 13 (moving from 38) on the air by the end of the year so they have a STA filed to get the station on the air by end of the year (its silent right now) at 350 watts 250 feet on the KEYC tower in Lewisville. This will "cover" St James (city of license) and then allows them to work on the actual parameters of 3,000 watts 900 feet up the tower

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...d1133&goBack=N

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The station is not able to complete the channel 13 facility before December 27, 2018 to put their new digital service on the air, and channel 38 is no longer available to the station, due to the TV Band Repack. The station does, however, intend to install a temporary, reduced power channel 13 facility and put it on the air prior to the current STA expiration, and plans on completing the 3 kW permanent facility per the Construction Permit.
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Anybody else having issues with KSTP RF35 the last two days?

Worked great Saturday for college football (70-73 on Tivo meter) but yesterday it was around 52 on the Tivo and pixeling. Today its 45-46 or drops to 0

All other (well the ones I can get like WCCO, KSTC, WFTC and WUCW) are all fine. Normal signals that I'm use to.
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seems to have fixed itself as KSTP now shows 71-74 on the Tivo
Back to issues again....UGH! Right before the weekend and college football
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Well I see KEYC isnt going to get their Low powered channel 13 (moving from 38) on the air by the end of the year so they have a STA filed to get the station on the air by end of the year (its silent right now) at 350 watts 250 feet on the KEYC tower in Lewisville. This will "cover" St James (city of license) and then allows them to work on the actual parameters of 3,000 watts 900 feet up the tower

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...d1133&goBack=N

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The station is not able to complete the channel 13 facility before December 27, 2018 to put their new digital service on the air, and channel 38 is no longer available to the station, due to the TV Band Repack. The station does, however, intend to install a temporary, reduced power channel 13 facility and put it on the air prior to the current STA expiration, and plans on completing the 3 kW permanent facility per the Construction Permit.
FCC approved it yesterday
https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...d1133&goBack=N
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AirTV Networked OTA Tuner In Minneapolis, MN

Has anybody here in the Minneapolis Saint Paul DMA tried an AirTV yet? I bought one from Micro Center, but ended up returning it. It was okay, but it didn't get both 9-1 and 9-9, which was a deal breaker for me. I am curious, though, if others have one and how the ATSC receiver performed for you.
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The only thing left in MSP is KSTC's move from 45 to 30 and that's in phase 3 (4/13/19-6/21/19).

Rochester is done with their two transitions (KIMT CBS 3 42->24 and KXLT FOX 47 46->26).

Eau Claire has one station in phase 2: WEUX (FOX 48) 49->21, 1,000kW->600kW.

WEAU (NBC 13) is due to transition from 38->17 in phase 9, retaining a 1,000kW ERP at 1,964 ft AGL. That's gonna be something to behold! They already lock with ease at 84 mi at my parent's place in Rochester.

Duluth's one transition is KQDS (FOX 21) 17->18, 1,000kW->1,000kW which also happens in phase 9.
Any word on the former 43's status? It was supposed to relocate to 20 but instead they moved to 33. Is this now their permanent home or are they still planning to move to 20 eventually? The reason I ask is I just noticed this morning that they are still monkeying around. 33-1, 33-2, 33-3, 33-5, and 33-7 are all off the air right now with only 33-4 and 33-6 active.

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My guess is that their acquisition of 33 replaced the move to 20. We'll know otherwise if something shows up on 20. Besides that, I don't know if there's any way of knowing.



AirTV - that's not an issue with signal strength, is it?
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...AirTV - that's not an issue with signal strength, is it?
Well, I have always had good luck with other devices on that same antenna. One possibility is how it deals with MPDI (Multi-Path Distortion Interference). I also seem to recall that some receiver designs had difficulty dealing with more than one RF channel on the virtual channel scan. If I recall correctly, the 9s are using two RF channels. On the other hand, I think the 2s are also using two RF channels, but the AirTV had no trouble with any of those, so who knows.
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CourtTV to be started up again on OTA. Katz broadcasting is reviving CourtTV beginning May 1st 2019. Doesn't look like Twin Cities has an affiliate in the initial press release. Probably, because the station's (Tribune, Scripps, Entravision) that are initially picking up CourtTV don't have station ties in the Twin Cities. Will be interesting to see if anybody in the MSP DMA adds CourtTV to their lineup. With 50% OTA coverage initially, it might take awhile for Katz to get an affiliate in MSP.
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Well, I have always had good luck with other devices on that same antenna. One possibility is how it deals with MPDI (Multi-Path Distortion Interference). I also seem to recall that some receiver designs had difficulty dealing with more than one RF channel on the virtual channel scan. If I recall correctly, the 9s are using two RF channels. On the other hand, I think the 2s are also using two RF channels, but the AirTV had no trouble with any of those, so who knows.
I think the fact that one of those two RF channels (9-9) happens to be a VHF channel may be a factor. The 2's are all on UHF channels (23 and 34) and not having any problems. He said he's not getting both 9-1 and 9-9, but which one is he not getting? If it's 9-9, then the fact that it happens to be on RF 9 may be an issue, but that would also result in him not getting the other two channels on that RF 9 frequency: 9-4 and 9-5.


I guess the $64K question is: which channels are and aren't you getting?

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2s 5s and 9s are all multi-channel setups (23/34, 35/45, 29/9).

I guess I can't answer for him, but I think he indicated that other devices worked just fine for reception on all channels, including 9 VHF. I take it to mean he was having issues with all the 9s, I some kind of software glitch?

Static multipath (building reflections, etc) isn't much of a problem with DTV - it's dynamic multipath (tree branches, planes, people if the antenna is indoors) that really causes problems (which is why you always want an antenna with decent gain and directionality).

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...I guess the $64K question is: which channels are and aren't you getting?
I think 9.1 was the one that I didn't get, but to be honest, after doing a second scan and it still didn't receive, I packet it up and returned it a few days later.




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2s 5s and 9s are all multi-channel setups (23/32, 35/45, 29/9)...I take it to mean he was having issues with all the 9s, I some kind of software glitch?...
The software glitch is a possibility. If I recall correctly, back when I was using my converter boxes, one of them had issues with the channel 2s. I don't recall the exact "work around", but I seemed like I had to good around with it for it to scan and "map" the channels properly.

For the record, I am in northern Rosemount MN 55068, very near the Eagan and Inver Grove heights borders. My antenna situation isn't ideal. I have it installed in the attic inside my attached garage! It is one of the older legacy Channelmaster CM-4228. I have RG-6 ran a few places around the house. Pretty much my measure is if the Tivo Roamio OTA receives a channel, but another device won't on that same antenna, when I swap the feedline from the one device to the other, I won't be satisfied.
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2s 5s and 9s are all multi-channel setups (23/32, 35/45, 29/9).
KTCA is on RF34, not 32. Thats WCCO
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unclehonkey: Don't confuse me with my words :-P That's what I meant.

Jim1348: The antenna setup still sounds like should be adequate, not knowing what signal levels you're seeing, hence I'd assume it's a glitch that you're not getting 29. As an aside, are you running the 4228 through a splits without any amplification?
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Well I see KEYC isnt going to get their Low powered channel 13 (moving from 38) on the air by the end of the year so they have a STA filed to get the station on the air by end of the year (its silent right now) at 350 watts 250 feet on the KEYC tower in Lewisville. This will "cover" St James (city of license) and then allows them to work on the actual parameters of 3,000 watts 900 feet up the tower

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...d1133&goBack=N

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The station is not able to complete the channel 13 facility before December 27, 2018 to put their new digital service on the air, and channel 38 is no longer available to the station, due to the TV Band Repack. The station does, however, intend to install a temporary, reduced power channel 13 facility and put it on the air prior to the current STA expiration, and plans on completing the 3 kW permanent facility per the Construction Permit.
Well as of Nov 29th KEYC got K13AAR-D (yes the callsign has 6 digits) took it live at the KEYC tower in Lewsville temporarily (350 watts 200 feet up the tower)
https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...676161015018a6

Since Le Sueur and Mankato were not in the coverage of the STA I was going to take my VHF antenna down towards Lewsiville and see what was on it. Good thing I didnt. They took it silent on Dec 6th so they can take down the temporary antenna and add the new 3kw one at 900 feet. Also it says they had some radiation reflect back to the transmitter too. They have until 6/11/19 to upgrade (unless they get another 6 month extension).

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...679e28356f0bb9

I see though they do have the translator listed on a "network difficulties" slate today after the basketball game. They probably were trying to cue up the syndicated show in progress as the game ran past top of the hour.
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Since Le Sueur and Mankato were not in the coverage of the STA I was going to take my VHF antenna down towards Lewsiville and see what was on it. Good thing I didnt.
You didn't miss anything. Save for some light PSIP manipulation, every PID was a bit-for-bit match with 12.

The real fun is still to come. Stay tuned! :-)


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Also it says they had some radiation reflect back to the transmitter too.
If only you could see the setup we were running on. 100% recycled RF chain, built from only the finest spares, rejects, and leftovers we could scrounge. Tons of blood/sweat/tears - including plenty from yours truly - were poured into making that rig run as well as it did. It looked a bit MacGyver-ish, but met the letter of the law, and ran flawlessly for the seven days we used it. (The window between the grant of the displacement channel and the anniversary of its going dark was so tight, it was that or nothing!)

As for those few watts of reflected power towards the end... well, let's just say that ancient span of 7/8" Heliax died doing what it loved!


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I see though they do have the translator listed on a "network difficulties" slate today after the basketball game. They probably were trying to cue up the syndicated show in progress as the game ran past top of the hour.
Jeez, I completely forgot I made that slate. It was after that hiccup CBS had a couple months back, when they fed all their affiliates black for several minutes in the middle of the day. At that time, our MC op put up the "technical difficulties" slate (the one you posted here last winter) whose text implies the problem is at the station level. Viewers began calling, upset, thinking we'd broken something. Thus, a new slate was born.

The more commonly seen one was the legal ID super (see attached). It aired on both services, over both channels, at 8am, 9am, 3pm, and 4pm daily.
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When a station only has one translator like that, I'm always puzzled why stations in that boat don't change the numbered call sign to the main station callsign with -LD. So in this case, KEYC Mankato and KEYC-LD St. James. It certainly looks tidier.

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still not divulging any info huh?

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Jeez, I completely forgot I made that slate. It was after that hiccup CBS had a couple months back, when they fed all their affiliates black for several minutes in the middle of the day. At that time, our MC op put up the "technical difficulties" slate (the one you posted here last winter) whose text implies the problem is at the station level. Viewers began calling, upset, thinking we'd broken something. Thus, a new slate was born.

The more commonly seen one was the legal ID super (see attached). It aired on both services, over both channels, at 8am, 9am, 3pm, and 4pm daily.
I've seen the new ID a couple times at the beginning of Dr Phil. Saturdays was right after the basketball game. There was a few seconds of black, then color bars, then the slate.

Are you not going to list your 2 translators that are owned by CTV anymore?

Also do you have a timetable for the upgrade? I assume winter weather plays a part on how long it will take. Hoping its not like last winter when we had 15" of snow in April

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Are you not going to list your 2 translators that are owned by CTV anymore?
Nope. And actually, those two translators were never ours: K38MY was owned by UCC, while K49JG and K50KL were and are owned by CTV.

The agreement that covered our lease at Godahl was also what permitted CTV to carry us on their Jackson and Frost translators. When that agreement ended, so too did our carriage at the other two sites.


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Also do you have a timetable for the upgrade? I assume winter weather plays a part on how long it will take. Hoping its not like last winter when we had 15" of snow in April
It's going to take a while for all the pieces to be manufactured and shipped (especially with repack going on). That's OK with me... I'd rather install when the weather is nice anyways!

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Nope. And actually, those two translators were never ours: K38MY was owned by UCC, while K49JG and K50KL were and are owned by CTV.

The agreement that covered our lease at Godahl was also what permitted CTV to carry us on their Jackson and Frost translators. When that agreement ended, so too did our carriage at the other two sites.
interesting....Learned something new today

edit: I see on the CTV site they have removed KEYC from their channel list

Have you decided if you are going to use 13.X for the PSIP or just combine it with 12 so it would be like
RF12 12-1 CBS HD
RF12 12-2 FOX HD
RF13 12-3 FOX HD (more bandwidth...just a guess)
RF13 12-4 CW+ HD (just a guess....)
RF13 12-5 Ion SD (just a guess....)
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Have you decided if you are going to use 13.X for the PSIP or just combine it with 12
Still to be decided. There are branding advantages to calling everything 12.x, but might be difficult to explain to viewers in outlying areas why "only some of the channels on 12 come in". Guess it'll be a surprise!

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All of the CTV stations in Godahl/St James have moved down to their post auction frequencies. They moved programming around so that the networks were on the "higher" tower (975 feet and between 1200-2,000 watts) and put the other stuff (Laff, Ion, YouToo America, TBN, etc) on the "short" (600 feet) tower and those frequencies are only at 500 watts
This was observed last night in Mankato. Trip has the info so he can update rabbitears.
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I was inspired by Uncle Honkey and now I am wondering what channels do YOU get on your over the air antenna in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul area? What is your city/township and ZIP code? Is you antenna inside or outside? What is the elevation of your antenna?

I am in northern Rosemount MN 55068. I have a Channel Master CM 4228 in the attic above my attached garage. It is about 15 feet above the ground.

I should also add that my TiVo Roamio OTA seems to have better tuners than my Samsung TVs.

2.1
KTCADT

2.2
KTCADT2

2.3
KTCIDT3

2.4
KTCADT4

4.1
WCCODT

4.2
WCCODT2

5.1
KSTPDT

5.2
KSTCDT

5.3
KSTCDT3

5.4
KSTCDT2

5.6
KSTCDT4

5.7
KSTPDT2

9.1
WFTCDT2

9.2
WFTCDT

9.3
WFTCDT3

9.4
KMSPDT2

9.9
KMSPDT

11.1
KAREDT

11.2
KAREDT2

11.3
KAREDT3

16.1
K16HYD

16.2
K16HYD2

16.3
K16HYD3

16.4
K16HYD4

16.5
K16HYD5

17.1
WUMNLD

19 I do not receive this channel.
K19ER

23.1
WUCWDT

23.2 Not listed, but I receive this channel.

23.3
WUCWDT3

23.4
WUCWDT4

23.7 I do not receive this channel.
KTCIDT2

25.1
K25IAD

25.1
KJNKLD

25.2
K25IAD2

25.2
KJNKLD2

25.3
K25IAD3

25.4
K25IAD4

25.4
KJNKLD4

25.5 I do not receive this channel.
K25IAD5

28.1 I do not receive this channel.
W47COD

28.2 I do not receive this channel.
W47COD2

28.3 I do not receive this channel.
W47COD3

29.4 I do not receive this channel.
WFTCDT4

33.1
K33LND

33.2
K33LND2

33.3 I do not receive this channel.
K33LND3

33.4
K33LND4

41.1
KPXMDT

41.2
KPXMDT2

41.3
KPXMDT3

41.4
KPXMDT4

41.5
KPXMDT5

41.6
KPXMDT6

43.1
KMBDLD

43.2
KMBDLD2

43.3
KMBDLD3

43.4
KMBDLD4

43.5
KMBDLD5

43.6
KMBDLD6

47 I do not receive this channel.
W47CO

48.1
KHVMLD

50.1
KTCJLD

62.1
WDMILD

62.2 I do not receive this channel.
WDMILD2

62.3
WDMILD3
I did a channel scan this morning on one of my Samsung's internal tuners. Among other things I noticed that the channel 62s are gone, at least for me. What happened to them?
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Just checked - 62 is coming in just fine.
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