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post #12871 of 12955 Old 08-17-2019, 02:36 PM
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In an amusing sidenote, since trying rescans with a couple of tuners, WDWO-CD shows up as channel 1.1
I did not know that channel 1 is back in use after all these years. Note the window title:


My guess is that someone got a new encoder fresh from China and slapped it into the chain without changing the defaults in setup.


BTW, I too am missing the programming on tvo, Northville Dave. I just cannot get enough reruns from the BBC. They're all new to me. Darn OECA!
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CBET-DT
From RabbitEars.info--ERP is down from 26kW to 2.7kW when using auxiliary. YMMV

9 9 CBET-DT Windsor ON On the air CBC
Display
Channel Physical
Channel Video Audio Call Sign Network/Programming Nickname Notes Print
09-1 9.3 720p DD5.1 SAP Audio Icon CBET-DT CBC "CBC Windsor"
Technical Data
Synthetic FAC-ID: 9015500
FCC DB Links: FCC Query
Other Links: RabbitEars TV Query [A] REC Query FCCInfo Search

DTV-LIC:
Granted Channel 9 Longley-Rice coverage map available. Windsor, ON
(0000ca1ada0090155000090155000000) - App
611' 26 kW DA ( ) Directional Pattern
51.9 mile contour / 8454.7 sq. mi. area / Est. Pop. 4,989,031
625' AGL; 1216' AMSL
Unknown or 0° Elec Beam Tilt; Full Service Filter
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NAD83: N 42° 9' 12", W 82° 57' 11" (42.153333, -82.953056)
DTX-LIC:
Granted Channel 9 Longley-Rice coverage map available. Windsor, ON
(0000ca1ada0090155000090155006000) - App
611' 2.7 kW DA ( ) Directional Pattern
41.3 mile contour / 5367.8 sq. mi. area / Est. Pop. 4,072,353
625' AGL; 1216' AMSL
Unknown or 0° Elec Beam Tilt; Full Service Filter
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NAD83: N 42° 9' 12", W 82° 57' 11" (42.153333, -82.953056)

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I got a hold of TVO customer service.
Currently they are using a temporary antenna on the broadcast tower; they expect to have the permanent antenna in place by the end of August or beginning September.
The permanent antenna is expected to (and I quote) "transmit at the same strength as before". And it is expected that reception for OTA (over the air) should be similar to the way it was before.
For those that want to re-orient their antenna toward the tower specifically, now or (if necessary) after the permanent antenna is in place, the broadcast tower is in the same place as it was before, in Mcgregor; or actually just north of the town of Mcgregor and south-east of downtown Windsor.
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I got a hold of TVO customer service.
Currently they are using a temporary antenna on the broadcast tower; they expect to have the permanent antenna in place by the end of August or beginning September.
The permanent antenna is expected to (and I quote) "transmit at the same strength as before". And it is expected that reception for OTA (over the air) should be similar to the way it was before.
For those that want to re-orient their antenna toward the tower specifically, now or (if necessary) after the permanent antenna is in place, the broadcast tower is in the same place as it was before, in Mcgregor; or actually just north of the town of Mcgregor and south-east of downtown Windsor.
Some comments about RF19 -

At my Canadian location where I usually get TVO, yesterday afternoon I showed no signal at all on RF19. And in Northville at 10pm last night there was no signal on RF19 either.

Today at noon in Northville on RF19 I get WUDL just fine with a S/N of 17. Obviously WUDL is still transmitting on RF19 but I have no idea why things come and go like this.

Since McGregor is only about 16 miles from my cottage, when TVO increases power I will probably get TVO w/o any problems at that location, but with WUDL still on RF19 I don't no what to expect here in Northville.

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In an amusing sidenote, since trying rescans with a couple of tuners, WDWO-CD shows up as channel 1.1
That's been there for a couple weeks, at least, I think.

My wife mentioned a new "channel 1." "Channel 1?" I asked. "There is no such thing as channel 1." Looked... "I'll be damned. There is now."
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Since I am having Vinyl siding installed over my existing T1-11 siding, I have to take down my existing antenna. Since the "arms" keep folding in from the wind, I am going to replace it, since it has to come down anyway. I still have more than a month to decide.

I have looked at a lot of YouTube videos, and read a lot of information. I think this should work for me....... any thoughts??

https://www.channelmaster.com/Digita..._p/cm-3016.htm

I don't think I need this one.


https://www.channelmaster.com/Digita..._p/cm-3018.htm

I think this is the correct map.

https://www.rabbitears.info/searchma...&study_id=1959


Edit: how about this one from Menards??

https://www.menards.com/main/electri...4495653&ipos=2

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Bigger is better, especially if you want stable reception from any station on or moving to the VHF band. Personally I would go with the Advantage 60, seeing that WJBK is nulled towards the west and that WHNE-LD will be moving to the low-VHF band on RF 3. If WJBK comes in fine with your current antenna, then the Advantage 45 should be no problem, but WHNE-LD on RF 3 will likely be a no-show or extremely problematic.

Also, if you decide to go with a Channel Master, make sure the leads on the Balum are parallel to each other, spaced about half an inch apart and away from the boom. If the leads are crossed or to close to each other or the boom, then degraded reception may result, which might be why some people have experienced poor reception compared to their old antenna.

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Bigger is better, especially if you want stable reception from any station on or moving to the VHF band. Personally I would go with the Advantage 60, seeing that WJBK is nulled towards the west and that WHNE-LD will be moving to the low-VHF band on RF 3. If WJBK comes in fine with your current antenna, then the Advantage 45 should be no problem, but WHNE-LD on RF 3 will likely be a no-show or extremely problematic.

Also, if you decide to go with a Channel Master, make sure the leads on the Balum are parallel to each other, spaced about half an inch apart and away from the boom. If the leads are crossed or to close to each other or the boom, then degraded reception may result, which might be why some people have experienced poor reception compared to their old antenna.
Thanks for that information. The Advantage 45 looks almost exactly what I have now... I purchased it from Radio Shack several years ago.

That Advantage 60 is HUGE, almost 10' long.......It should pick up stations in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Are there any good antennas that are between 5' and 10'??

The Winegard appears to be very similar, are there any differences between Winegard and the Channel Master?
https://winegard.com/products/hdtv-d...series-hd7694p

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I think this

https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Maste.../dp/B000FVVKQM


or this

https://www.amazon.com/Antennas-Dire...dDbGljaz10cnVl


will help you get both Detroit and some Flint stations.
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I think this

https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Maste.../dp/B000FVVKQM


or this

https://www.amazon.com/Antennas-Dire...dDbGljaz10cnVl


will help you get both Detroit and some Flint stations.
Thank you for the suggestions. I am old school, so I am not sure about the durability of the ClearStream. I thought about trying it out a couple of years ago, but was afraid it would not last. The sun plays havoc with plastic, or PVC.

The Channel Master CM-4228HD has also been on my radar, but that yagai??? style is what I am used to.

Turning Radius= 24.5 in. Assembly instructions are also found there online. Most stations now are on UHF, but if you find you still can't get Channels 7-13 in your local area, you can actually try adding a simple VHF Dipole Antenna (looks like those old Rabbit-Ears) , then mount it right on top of your CM-4228 Antenna, adjust it horizontally, then connect those two short coax cables inline to an combiner/splitter or pre-amp, and then just run your single combined coax right on down to your main distribution cables.

I don't know what turning radius is..... Also, that statement about having to add another antenna just to get the VHF channels concerns me...........
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From Clarkston, I'd stick with @Snowdog88 's recommendations, especially if you want to do it once and be done with it. IF you're interested in adding Flint stations, we can discuss adding a rotor or a second antenna with an A/B switch.

A good rule of thumb is to drive around and see what other neighbors are using. I'm afraid the little dipole that comes with the bowtie UHF antennas (or that you add) is going to be iffy with WJBK. Just MHO.

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I'm in Grand Blanc and built one of these https://www.amazon.com/Masthead-Ante...AMNC8VB5BK5FYV
and mounted it on a PVC pole painted black on the roof of my ranch house.
I can pick up 5, 12, 19, 25, 46, 49 & 66 from Flint on the one side. On the other side I can pick up 4, 7, 20, 56 & 62 from Detroit.
I've recently added a Clearstream 5 ,bought on Craigslist for $30, to pick up channel 2 in Detroit. I combined the antennas with a VHF-UHF combiner
https://www.amazon.com/Masthead-Ante...AMNC8VB5BK5FYV


So without a rotor I can now pick up a total of 44 channels

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From Clarkston, I'd stick with @Snowdog88 's recommendations, especially if you want to do it once and be done with it. IF you're interested in adding Flint stations, we can discuss adding a rotor or a second antenna with an A/B switch.

A good rule of thumb is to drive around and see what other neighbors are using. I'm afraid the little dipole that comes with the bowtie UHF antennas (or that you add) is going to be iffy with WJBK. Just MHO.
Since size does matter, according to you guys, I will take your and Snowdog88's advice and purchase the Advantage 60. Thanks for all the help.
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I'm in Grand Blanc and built one of these https://www.amazon.com/Masthead-Ante...AMNC8VB5BK5FYV
and mounted it on a PVC pole painted black on the roof of my ranch house.
I can pick up 5, 12, 19, 25, 46, 49 & 66 from Flint on the one side. On the other side I can pick up 4, 7, 20, 56 & 62 from Detroit.
I've recently added a Clearstream 5 ,bought on Craigslist for $30, to pick up channel 2 in Detroit. I combined the antennas with a VHF-UHF combiner
https://www.amazon.com/Masthead-Ante...AMNC8VB5BK5FYV


So without a rotor I can now pick up a total of 44 channels
Both links are the same??
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Since size does matter, according to you guys, I will take your and Snowdog88's advice and purchase the Advantage 60. Thanks for all the help.
Anytime. Yeah, it's either "go big or go home" ...or "start cheap and keep receipts." Depends on the number of trips up the ladder you care to make.

In any case, DO keep receipts.

Keep us posted.
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Anytime. Yeah, it's either "go big or go home" ...or "start cheap and keep receipts." Depends on the number of trips up the ladder you care to make.

In any case, DO keep receipts.

Keep us posted.
I will do that. If my existing antenna didn't keep breaking, I would keep it.
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Both links are the same??

Sorry. Fixed it.
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I will do that. If my existing antenna didn't keep breaking, I would keep it.
Going to order the Advantage 60 (CM-3018) as per recommendations. Simple, go to website and order, but NOT. At the ordering page, it has all kinds of stuff to add on to the order??? WTF....... I just want to order an antenna, do I need anything else to make this antenna work???

https://www.channelmaster.com/shoppingcart.asp

TIA.
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The things shown are for those people that have never had a antenna at that spot. If your cabling, splitters, etc. are all in good shape, then you are fine. If the cabling, connectors, etc. are showing signs of age, then maybe you need to replace them.
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The things shown are for those people that have never had a antenna at that spot. If your cabling, splitters, etc. are all in good shape, then you are fine. If the cabling, connectors, etc. are showing signs of age, then maybe you need to replace them.
Thanks........
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Thanks........
Hi clarkss12,

If you haven't already ordered, I'll mention that one of the most well respected online retailers for OTA antennas is nearby in Novi, MI...by name of Solid Signal. I've never been their customer, but have seen posts by others with compliments--and I really like what all is available when searching their site.

They seem to note that they have "Limited Stock" of the CM-3018:

https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=cm-3018


If you're up for the drive, call them and plan the purchase, per this page:

https://www.solidsignal.com/p/?p=2595&d=about-us

<excerpt:>

Distribution Facility

Signal Distribution
22285 Roethel Dr.
Novi, MI48375

We do offer walk-in retail services at our location.
Pickup times must be scheduled by phone. Available pickup times occur Monday thru Friday, 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM. Customer pickup service is for U.S. residents only.

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As others have mentioned, please post back in the few weeks after you have the CM-3018 installed. Then again after WHNE transitions to RF3, which hasn't seemed to be scheduled as of yet. (Namely because they're not a Class A Digital, so aren't scheduled in a specific repack phase.)

The CM-3018 should be good for WHNE's move to Low-VHF. Don't let anyone talk you into something with a "wingspan" of only a yard or so, such as any of the Channel Master "Digital Advantage" models that lack the longer elements needed for Low-VHF.

Cheers! ~~ Statmanmi

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Hi clarkss12,

If you haven't already ordered, I'll mention that one of the most well respected online retailers for OTA antennas is nearby in Novi, MI...by name of Solid Signal. I've never been their customer, but have seen posts by others with compliments--and I really like what all is available when searching their site.

They seem to note that they have "Limited Stock" of the CM-3018:

https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=cm-3018


If you're up for the drive, call them and plan the purchase, per this page:

https://www.solidsignal.com/p/?p=2595&d=about-us

<excerpt:>

Distribution Facility

Signal Distribution
22285 Roethel Dr.
Novi, MI48375

We do offer walk-in retail services at our location.
Pickup times must be scheduled by phone. Available pickup times occur Monday thru Friday, 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM. Customer pickup service is for U.S. residents only.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As others have mentioned, please post back in the few weeks after you have the CM-3018 installed. Then again after WHNE transitions to RF3, which hasn't seemed to be scheduled as of yet. (Namely because they're not a Class A Digital, so aren't scheduled in a specific repack phase.)

The CM-3018 should be good for WHNE's move to Low-VHF. Don't let anyone talk you into something with a "wingspan" of only a yard or so, such as any of the Channel Master "Digital Advantage" models that lack the longer elements needed for Low-VHF.

Cheers! ~~ Statmanmi
I ordered from Solid Signal Monday, and it was delivered today. Purchased the
Advantage 60.
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Well, Had a fellow forum member stop by to install this new Advantage 60 antenna for me..... He did everything in the book to get a strong signal like I had with my other antenna, but this Advantage 60 has been a very big disappointment. The cheapo Radio Shack antenna had a much better performance for the UHF channel, because it had more "arms" than the new one...... Even the VHF channels were still not as good on the new antenna as the old one....

It was a big mistake purchasing that antenna, and I may just junk it, and swallow the loss. I did purchase another mast today, two 5' pieces, so it will raise the antenna from a 5' mast to a 10' mast. I also ordered a Winegard LNA-200 Boost XT HDTV Preamplifier to replace the RCA preamp that was already installed for the old antenna.

When I receive the preamp, Craig will come back over and make the modifications....... Maybe, that will at least bring it back up to the performance of the older antenna.......

Also, as a side note, I use HDHomeRun tuners and had to use my computer running an app that shows the Strength, Quality and Symbol. SiliconDust HAD an app for smart phones, but they discontinued it 3 or 4 years ago. Fortunately, someone on the SiliconDust forum had an apk of that app. I downloaded it and side loaded it to my Android phone. Now I have signal meter on my phone, so now that antenna can be adjusted in real time with that signal meter.

So, boys and girls, take a serious look at the "fins" on this antenna to see how it work for you, it was a bust for me.
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Sorry to hear of your issues. Reminds me of my experiences almost 20 years ago. At that point there were only a handful of HD stations and none near me - I'm west of Flint in Flushing. I went through a few antennas before I got it right, but the "right" antenna is still on my tower and pulling in over 50 channels. I ended up with a Televes I had imported from England. At that point it had the highest gain on the UHF band I could find, coupled it to a CM amp and got solid signals for all over. Luckily I'm on a bit of a rise and my mean height is 750' ASL and I use a 40+' tower which really helps.

At this point I leave it aimed at Detroit and get everything but CH 2, I d love to get CH 9 but that is only a dream. Right below the UHF antenna is my trusty old CM Quantum that has been on the tower for odds are 40 years. As the trees grew up around it it has lost a number of elements and does not perform as well as it did but if I need it is available. I tried coupling it to my UHF antenna with the same joiner posted earlier but it really killed my UHF reception which it should not have. So I live without CH 2 and often Ch12, but no loss. BTW the antennas are sitting on top of an old CD rotor - the bell shaped one that has been there even longer than the Quantum antenna and is still operational. They don't make them like that anymore...

Good luck on the hunt....

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Since that new Advantage 60 had such poor performance compared to my older RCA antenna, I could not live with it.

I saw that Menards had two different RCA antennas so I went and picked up the bigger one of the two. It was less than $100 and after Craig got it installed on the roof, it was fantastic. I have a pre-amplifier on order and should be here Monday. I will get that installed and probably put the antenna on a tripod, since the mounting but I have now it's kind of wobbly since that antenna is so big.

The construction of the channel Master antenna is much better that the RCA. It's a shame they did not design it the way it would work better for me. Perhaps it will work better for other people and different locations, but for me it was a no-go.
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Since that new Advantage 60 had such poor performance compared to my older RCA antenna, I could not live with it.

I saw that Menards had two different RCA antennas so I went and picked up the bigger one of the two. It was less than $100 and after Craig got it installed on the roof, it was fantastic. I have a pre-amplifier on order and should be here Monday. I will get that installed and probably put the antenna on a tripod, since the mounting but I have now it's kind of wobbly since that antenna is so big.

The construction of the channel Master antenna is much better that the RCA. It's a shame they did not design it the way it would work better for me. Perhaps it will work better for other people and different locations, but for me it was a no-go.
Sorry to hear that the Channel Master didn't work out for you. Did you make sure that the included balun was installed the way that I described? You can also try using the balun off your old antenna and see if you experience different results.

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Sorry to hear that the Channel Master didn't work out for you. Did you make sure that the included balun was installed the way that I described? You can also try using the balun off your old antenna and see if you experience different results.
Yes, to both suggestions.
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Since I am having Vinyl siding installed over my existing T1-11 siding, I have to take down my existing antenna.
I'll get to the antenna suggestions in a moment, but before I do, if you can change the order on siding, you should look at fiber cement siding instead of vinyl siding, mainly for the heat and fire resistance. Someone I know lost their house to a fire because the fireplace flue got so hot from a normal use of the wood-burning fireplace, the adjacent vinyl siding on the house warped and eventually set fire to the rest of the home (the home had been recently built to code). Other people (these are claims from people I don't know) claim their houses didn't catch on fire despite being in the path of various major wildfires, because the fiber cement siding they had resisted fire that well. If I were to put siding on any home of mine, I wouldn't use anything but fiber cement siding.

As for antennas, all three you suggested are so big/wide because they can accept low-VHF frequencies, which no station in Detroit broadcasts from. Antennas like the Channel Master Digital Advantage 60 or 100 can take channels 7-51 with no major issues. [EDIT: They may not work for you, since high-VHF and UHF performance is similar]

https://www.channelmaster.com/Digita..._p/cm-2018.htm

https://www.channelmaster.com/Digita..._p/cm-2020.htm

Among RCA antennas, I'd look into this one on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Antenna-Satel...dp/B0024R4B5C/

With the RCA, the 300-75-ohm transformer is the weak point. You may want to get a competing transformer, and caulk where the 300-ohm cable and main cylinder meet as a water-protection thing. Here's a two-pack of highly-rated transformers: https://www.amazon.com/Fancasee-Matc...dp/B07BW9YS4Q/

EDIT: Could multipath be the cause of your reception concerns? If so, a preamp may not work.

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As for antennas, all three you suggested are so big/wide because they can accept low-VHF frequencies, which no station in Detroit broadcasts from.
WHNE-LD is moving to RF 3. If anybody wants to receive them in the future, they will need an antenna capable of low-VHF.

https://www.rabbitears.info/market.p...lity_id=168737

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