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As for Cherokee County, its seems by now Charter should upgrade WBTV and WSOC to HD rather than SD. No need to downgrade, especially when the HD signal is available OTA.
My guess is they're not allowed to as part of their contracts with WSPA & WLOS or they just don't want to spend the money on HD modulators for those channels. Perhaps as they continue to merge the TW/Charter universe we will eventually get them.
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WVEB-LD is 16.1 miles away, per TVFool, so I'm surprised, too, that such a low power signal is rock solid.

I 've had a Winegard FV-HD30 VHF/UHF antenna in my attic since early 2011 (an old picture below, before I added the pre-amp), clamped on an old camera tripod (which allowed me to move it around the attic until I found the sweet spot). That model was discontinued, but I think they just renamed it. The one now on Amazon.com looks identical to mine.
https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-Free...negard+antenna


It is a relatively small, High VHF/UHF. It claims 30 mile range, and with WBTV's tower 37.1 miles from my house, I figured I'd have to put it on the roof. But, since I preferred to avoid that, if possible, I experimented in the attic. That worked great on most of the locals, but a couple were marginal. I then added a Winegard Chromstar 2000 pre-amp and, problem solved, all local stations have been solid, 24/7, for the past 6 years.
https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-AP82...Chromstar+2000


However, my location is relatively ideal, terrain-wise, flat and open. Such an antenna would struggle in an area with hills and valleys, I would think.
That Winegard Freevision antenna is sold at Home Depot. And they carry the LNA200 preamp which replaced the AP Chromestar series.
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The Winegard Freevision is essentially unchanged since it came out years ago (2010?). There have been a couple of variations in the model number, probably a requirement of their various retailers for a unique SKU.
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Effective June 1, 2017, WSOC-TV will become the affiliate for Telmundo in Charlotte.
Telemundo will be broadcast on 9.2 in HD. Laff TV, currently on 9.2 will move to 64.4. WSOC-TV 9.1 will not change any of its programming for this event.

Telemundo Charlotte will be the first full powered, Spanish speaking network in Charlotte and the second one in the state of North Carolina.
Charlotte is currently the largest market in the US without a full power, Spanish network.
Closed caption in Spanish will be on CC1, CC in English will be on CC3 during primetime.


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Closed caption in Spanish will be on CC1, CC in English will be on CC3 during primetime.
I will happy to answer any technical questions concerning this event.
So Ted....will SAP audio be in English?
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From what I hear, Telemundo's weather is...well...uh, LOVELY. :-)
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Effective June 1, 2017, WSOC-TV will become the affiliate for Telmundo in Charlotte.
Telemundo will be broadcast on 9.2 in HD. Laff TV, currently on 9.2 will move to 64.4. WSOC-TV 9.1 will not change any of its programming for this event.

Telemundo Charlotte will be the first full powered, Spanish speaking network in Charlotte and the second one in the state of North Carolina.
Charlotte is currently the largest market in the US without a full power, Spanish network.
Closed caption in Spanish will be on CC1, CC in English will be on CC3 during primetime.


I will happy to answer any technical questions concerning this event.
1080i or 720p? 5.1 or 2.0 audio?

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1080i or 720p? 5.1 or 2.0 audio?

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Effective June 1, 2017, WSOC-TV will become the affiliate for Telmundo in Charlotte.
Telemundo will be broadcast on 9.2 in HD. Laff TV, currently on 9.2 will move to 64.4. WSOC-TV 9.1 will not change any of its programming for this event.

Telemundo Charlotte will be the first full powered, Spanish speaking network in Charlotte and the second one in the state of North Carolina.
Charlotte is currently the largest market in the US without a full power, Spanish network.
Closed caption in Spanish will be on CC1, CC in English will be on CC3 during primetime.


I will happy to answer any technical questions concerning this event.
Is it now possible to transmit 2 720p feeds and preserve the HD quality on 9.1? Hopefully Cox will allow the upgrades in equipment that may be necessary to maintain good video quality.
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Is it now possible to transmit 2 720p feeds and preserve the HD quality on 9.1? Hopefully Cox will allow the upgrades in equipment that may be necessary to maintain good video quality.
WSOC has always had the best in encoder technology. Two 720p streams has been done in many places in the US successfully. The two streams will be Stat-Muxed.

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WSOC has always had the best in encoder technology. Two 720p streams has been done in many places in the US successfully. The two streams will be Stat-Muxed.
Sounds good.
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Looks like we finally have a leak... Per the NAB's "Clearinghouse" tool DrDon linked in the main thread it appears these are the moves in the Charlotte Market. It looks like no "flips" per say to VHF. The database has this disclaimer, which explains some missing channels:

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In an effort to facilitate the exchange of information between broadcasters as to the scope of the repack, NAB asked television stations, whether repacked or not, to provide information regarding their pre- and post-auction channels. This information was provided directly by stations, and NAB has no way of verifying its accuracy. Additionally, because not all stations have submitted this information, this data is not complete. We will continue to update this information as more stations provide data until the FCC releases a public notice setting forth official channel assignments for repacked stations.
CALL OLD--->NEW
WHKY 40--->14
WCCB 27--->18
WSOC 34--->19
WCNC 22--->24
WJZY 47--->25
WAXN 50--->32

WBTV & WMYT weren't represented in the NAB database yet.

UNC TV:
WUNE 44--->21
WUNE 17--->36
WUNG 44--->21
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Looks like we finally have a leak... Per the NAB's "Clearinghouse" tool DrDon linked in the main thread it appears these are the moves in the Charlotte Market. It looks like no "flips" per say to VHF. The database has this disclaimer, which explains some missing channels:



CALL OLD--->NEW
WHKY 40--->14
WCCB 27--->18
WSOC 34--->19
WCNC 22--->24
WJZY 47--->25
WAXN 50--->32

WBTV & WMYT weren't represented in the NAB database yet.

UNC TV:
WUNE 44--->21
WUNE 17--->36
WUNG 44--->21
Interesting if this proves to be accurate. Did they list the power levels? Hopefully they will remain full power 1000kw if the Dipole-Factor will allow. Currently WBTV-23 and WJZY-47 are 1000kw so hopefully that will remain the same unless WBTV moves to a lower channel. And it would be nice if WAXN could be allowed an increase in power on 32 so they could more adequately cover the same basic coverage area as WSOC and the other major Charlotte stations. This is why WCNC moved from Charlotte to the taller Dallas tower and increased power so they could have a wider coverage area. Perhaps Cox could request an increase for WAXN, if they were interested.

And once this is finalized, I wonder if WCNC and WJZY will finally top mount their new antennas on their broadcast towers. That would seem the most efficient use of those tall towers, but I guess that may depend on the FCC regulated antenna patterns. Hopefully WBTV and WJZY will remain omnidirectional, although WCNC currently has a bit of a null to the west. But I guess this preliminary list is a bit of speculation until the FCC or the stations themselves officially announce.
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If this list proves accurate, I wonder if WCCB still has an old Channel 18 antenna lying around somewhere? Could be cost effective if it would work. But do all stations moving require a new transmitter, or can the old one be modified somehow?
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WHKY TV 14.4 changed from Heartland to the Charge! network at Midnight on 3/15.
http://watchcharge.com/

This is one of the MGM/Sinclair Broadcast Group networks.
Let us know what you think.

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WSOC has always had the best in encoder technology. Two 720p streams has been done in many places in the US successfully. The two streams will be Stat-Muxed.
We did a HD ABC/NBC in New York state in 2009 on the same channel.
Encoding has only gotten better.
We were very happy with the results in 2009.
You would be amazed what you can do with current Stat-Muxed encoders.
Just wait to see till you see what can be done under ATSC 3.0

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I wonder if WCCB still has an old Channel 18 antenna lying around somewhere? ?
Actually... we do....
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WHKY TV 14.4 changed from Heartland to the Charge! network at Midnight on 3/15.
http://watchcharge.com/

This is one of the MGM/Sinclair Broadcast Group networks.
Let us know what you think.
I liked watching Heartland - I will miss it.

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Looks like we finally have a leak... Per the NAB's "Clearinghouse" tool DrDon linked in the main thread it appears these are the moves in the Charlotte Market. It looks like no "flips" per say to VHF. The database has this disclaimer, which explains some missing channels:



CALL OLD--->NEW
WHKY 40--->14
WCCB 27--->18
WSOC 34--->19
WCNC 22--->24
WJZY 47--->25
WAXN 50--->32

WBTV & WMYT weren't represented in the NAB database yet.

UNC TV:
WUNE 44--->21
WUNE 17--->36
WUNG 44--->21
I am guessing that channels missing from this list are staying on their current channels - like WBTV and WTVI?

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I am guessing that channels missing from this list are staying on their current channels - like WBTV and WTVI?
Remains to be seen. Raycom has not yet released information regarding WBTV or WIS in Columbia. But WBTV could possibly be impacted by its Raycom sister station WECT in Wilmington, which will also be on 23 after the repack. Hopefully too far apart to cause interference, and WECT will be lower power around 400kw. And maybe have a directional antenna to protect if WBTV also stays on 23. But not yet known.
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I am guessing that channels missing from this list are staying on their current channels - like WBTV and WTVI?
The NAB database is based on data that stations provided to them directly. It is incomplete because some haven't provided anything, and some may or may not be 100% accurate. Some of Raycom's stations have reported, but WBTV has not. Go figure.

I didn't bother messing with the PBS stations because there are so many.
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Looks like we finally have a leak... Per the NAB's "Clearinghouse" tool DrDon linked in the main thread it appears these are the moves in the Charlotte Market. It looks like no "flips" per say to VHF. The database has this disclaimer, which explains some missing channels:



CALL OLD--->NEW
WHKY 40--->14
WCCB 27--->18
WSOC 34--->19
WCNC 22--->24
WJZY 47--->25
WAXN 50--->32

WBTV & WMYT weren't represented in the NAB database yet.

UNC TV:
WUNE 44--->21
WUNE 17--->36
WUNG 44--->21
Since the list is out.

WSOC: Old Power: 1000Kw New Power: 720 Kw
WAXN: Old Power: 150Kw (DA) New Power: 107 Kw (DA)

ERP(new) = ERP(current) - 20 * Log ([F(mhz)(new) / F(mhz)(old)]) (calculated in dbK, not watts) (This works at UHF channels only)

If your channel number goes higher, your power increases if it is below 1000Kw, no power level excess 1000Kw in any case.

WCNC power will actually go up slightly, since they are less than 1000Kw now.

WCCB & WHKY goes back to their original channel.

Not on the list, WTVI but they are changing also, will still be a VHF-Hi. It is not my place to give out there new channel number.
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WHKY TV 14.4 changed from Heartland to the Charge! network at Midnight on 3/15.

This is one of the MGM/Sinclair Broadcast Group networks.
Let us know what you think.
I am going to miss heartland .. only place that actually had music these days
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Effective June 1, 2017, WSOC-TV will become the affiliate for Telmundo in Charlotte.
Telemundo will be broadcast on 9.2 in HD. Laff TV, currently on 9.2 will move to 64.4. WSOC-TV 9.1 will not change any of its programming for this event.

Telemundo Charlotte will be the first full powered, Spanish speaking network in Charlotte and the second one in the state of North Carolina.
Charlotte is currently the largest market in the US without a full power, Spanish network.
Closed caption in Spanish will be on CC1, CC in English will be on CC3 during primetime.


I will happy to answer any technical questions concerning this event.
I have really been surprised there is no univision in charlotte .. there is such a large latino pop i figured it would have happened a while ago .. and would save me money from having to pay for sling just for that lol
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Actually... we do....
WHKY does also on Ch 14
Problem is wrong pattern.
Still on tower, but wrong tower.
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Since the list is out.

WSOC: Old Power: 1000Kw New Power: 720 Kw
WAXN: Old Power: 150Kw (DA) New Power: 107 Kw (DA)

ERP(new) = ERP(current) - 20 * Log ([F(mhz)(new) / F(mhz)(old)]) (calculated in dbK, not watts) (This works at UHF channels only)

If your channel number goes higher, your power increases if it is below 1000Kw, no power level excess 1000Kw in any case.

WCNC power will actually go up slightly, since they are less than 1000Kw now.

WCCB & WHKY goes back to their original channel.

Not on the list, WTVI but they are changing also, will still be a VHF-Hi. It is not my place to give out there new channel number.
From various market lists it looks like there may be fewer 1000kw channels than before. And it may be due to adjacent interference issues rather than just Dipole-Factor,since spectrum space has shrunk. WJZY will only be about 600kw on 25, whereas WBTV is currently 1000kw on 23. And WJZY is currently 1000kw on 47. Looks like WJZY should be a bit higher, but must be due to other factors. But hopefully the same coverage will be maintained, despite the lower power level.
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The Charlotte market is listed as Transition Phase 5. What is the time frame for that? And will these new channels be the same for ATSC 3.0 conversion, or will they change yet again?
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And it may be due to adjacent interference issues rather than just Dipole-Factor,since spectrum space has shrunk.
Nope, just dipole factor.

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WHKY TV 14.4 changed from Heartland to the Charge! network at Midnight on 3/15.
http://watchcharge.com/

This is one of the MGM/Sinclair Broadcast Group networks.
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I too will miss Heartland, was probably the subchannel that I watched more than any other. Loved the old country awards shows on Sunday nights, the old country music video shows, and the old tnn shows. Charge seems like all the other subchannels out there, just wish it could have replaced THIS or Comet, as Heartland was the only channel I watched of all the channels on 14 other than occasionally the news on 14.1. I have also been asked for antenna help on numerous occasions just to try help people receive ch 14 just for Heartland, the old TNN had a huge following in this area and Heartland felt the closest to that than any other channel since it has been gone. Wish I could receive it from another market, I know it's on ch 50 from Asheville or Spartanburg, but I can't receive any stations from that direction.
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I too will miss Heartland, was probably the subchannel that I watched more than any other. Loved the old country awards shows on Sunday nights, the old country music video shows, and the old tnn shows. Charge seems like all the other subchannels out there, just wish it could have replaced THIS or Comet, as Heartland was the only channel I watched of all the channels on 14 other than occasionally the news on 14.1. I have also been asked for antenna help on numerous occasions just to try help people receive ch 14 just for Heartland, the old TNN had a huge following in this area and Heartland felt the closest to that than any other channel since it has been gone. Wish I could receive it from another market, I know it's on ch 50 from Asheville or Spartanburg, but I can't receive any stations from that direction.
http://www.watchheartlandtv.com/shows/

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