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Can we please keep this forum focused on the discussion of OTA reception and equipment and not on useless gossip that belongs on the bottom of a bird cage and has nothing to do with broadcasting.
Well my main topic is regarding the WSOC translator from Crowders Mtn. It is not coming in today and I am not sure if it is from the rain conditions or they are off the air. The main WSOC and WCCB come and go at my distant location in Spartanburg County, but I haven't had much time to mess with antenna placement in the attic. But I normally get 9.9 since I move in January with 8bay antenna and preamp.
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Well my main topic is regarding the WSOC translator from Crowders Mtn. It is not coming in today and I am not sure if it is from the rain conditions or they are off the air. The main WSOC and WCCB come and go at my distant location in Spartanburg County, but I haven't had much time to mess with antenna placement in the attic. But I normally get 9.9 since I move in January with 8bay antenna and preamp.

It appears down. I’m about 17 miles away from it. The Signal GH app shows 67% signal strength but 0% signal quality on the RF30 translator
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It appears down. I’m about 17 miles away from it. The Signal GH app shows 67% signal strength but 0% signal quality on the RF30 translator
Thanks I am not getting it today also in Inman, SC. Other channels are good. Hopefully they fix it soon but I want to work on antenna some more in attic to see if I can hold on to the main WSOC on 34.
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Thanks I am not getting it today also in Inman, SC. Other channels are good. Hopefully they fix it soon but I want to work on antenna some more in attic to see if I can hold on to the main WSOC on 34.
Rabbitears.info still shows the Crowders Mtn (Shelby) translator online.

But I wonder if WSOC has now taken it down in preparation for its eventual move to RF12? The WSOC translator in Statesville on RF46 is now offline, presumably for good since that translator is also moving to RF12.

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Rabbitears.info still shows the Crowders Mtn (Shelby) translator online.

But I wonder if WSOC has now taken it down in preparation for its eventual move to RF12? The WSOC translator in Statesville on RF46 is now offline, presumably for good since that translator is also moving to RF12.
Still no signal Saturday evening from WSOC on Crowders Mtn. as 9.9 remains off the air. When I am off Sunday and Monday I am going to do some antenna work in the attic and see if I can hold on to the main signal from 34. Need to get an antenna higher in the rafters. I have a Clearstream 4V I can get up a bit higher since it is smaller than the 8bay Channel Master so I may give that a try, as well as an Antop flat panel and a Winegard version also. I often get WCCB so I hope maybe I should also get main WSOC with some adjustments. But hopefully meanwhile they can get the translator working again.
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Some of these newer flat panel antennas perform very well, such as the Antop 400BV, Winegard Flatwave Air, and Winegard Elite. But I am curious regarding the Mohu Sail version with built in amp they sell at Best Buy. It is rather expensive, but you can always return if it does not perform well. And they also have a larger leaf version for outdoor use on their website, the Striker antenna. These may be useful if space or aesthetics is a concern, but it becomes a price versus performance issue. And they claim a patented military technology advantage to enhance reception, but that remains to be seen.
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Some of these newer flat panel antennas perform very well, such as the Antop 400BV, Winegard Flatwave Air, and Winegard Elite. But I am curious regarding the Mohu Sail version with built in amp they sell at Best Buy. It is rather expensive, but you can always return if it does not perform well. And they also have a larger leaf version for outdoor use on their website, the Striker antenna. These may be useful if space or aesthetics is a concern, but it becomes a price versus performance issue. And they claim a patented military technology advantage to enhance reception, but that remains to be seen.
I picked up a Mohu Sail at BB about a week ago to try for my 3rd B/R TV. I've got it in the attic currently, but haven't had time to play around with it too much. But I can say it outperforms the Mohu Sky that I once tried in the 'same' position in my attic. It is pricey, and anyone interested might be better off to buy it online. But I got it for testing; and BB has a liberal return policy if I decide to return it.
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I have a Clearstream 4V I can get up a bit higher since it is smaller than the 8bay Channel Master so I may give that a try, as well as an Antop flat panel and a Winegard version also. I often get WCCB so I hope maybe I should also get main WSOC with some adjustments. But hopefully meanwhile they can get the translator working again.
I've had my Clearstream 4V for a number of years; and I have to say it packs a pretty good punch for a small profile, long range antenna. I use it for my two main TVs.

At my former home, the Clearstream 4V did just as well as my former 'outdoor' Winegard 9095P when using the Clearstream 4v in the attic. At my new home, I've never tried an outdoor setup. But when also doing numerous placements in my attic, the Clearstream 4V has seemed to outperform the much larger DB8e that I bought. The beauty of the Clearstream 4V is its compact size (for a long range antenna), which makes it much easier to experiment with multiple placements (inside an attic) for hard to reach stations!
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Some of these newer flat panel antennas perform very well, such as the Antop 400BV, Winegard Flatwave Air, and Winegard Elite. But I am curious regarding the Mohu Sail version with built in amp they sell at Best Buy. It is rather expensive, but you can always return if it does not perform well. And they also have a larger leaf version for outdoor use on their website, the Striker antenna. These may be useful if space or aesthetics is a concern, but it becomes a price versus performance issue. And they claim a patented military technology advantage to enhance reception, but that remains to be seen.
From my many years of RF experience there is no magic in antenna design,size, and placement. What it was 30 years ago still pertains today. I have seen improvements in RF filters and in some amps. The height and power output of the transmitter to the distance and height of the receiving and antenna has not changed. The curvature of the earth is still the same and mountains have not moved.
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From my many years of RF experience there is no magic in antenna design,size, and placement. What it was 30 years ago still pertains today. I have seen improvements in RF filters and in some amps. The height and power output of the transmitter to the distance and height of the receiving and antenna has not changed. The curvature of the earth is still the same and mountains have not moved.

Yes, and despite bovine excrement marketing hype and fancy plastic packaging...thus far the laws of physics have not been overcome..
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Yes, and despite bovine excrement marketing hype and fancy plastic packaging...thus far the laws of physics have not been overcome..
Because my antenna is 200 feet above the ground I can get almost every station in the area with a paper clip attached at the end of the coax. HAAT rules above all else, fancy military technology or not.
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Because my antenna is 200 feet above the ground I can get almost every station in the area with a paper clip attached at the end of the coax. HAAT rules above all else, fancy military technology or not.


I’d love to see a picture of that tower.

Still getting no signal from WSOC translator at my location either and as I say I’m about 17 miles away from it so unless they have issues I can always pick them up. I’m also getting nothing on WCCB last night and this morning. Last night it had 100% signal strength but 50% signal quality. This morning quality is zero and it isn’t coming in on either my TiVo or HDHomeRun. Not sure what the issue is with that but I haven’t had stable reception of it in awhile now. WSOC’s main transmitter still comes in strong though from the same general area. Isn’t TV reception wonderful lol? I’m hoping it is interference from something that will improve after the repack.

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WSOC 9.9 Crowders Mtn. back on the air this morning. Also getting main 9.1 since last night.
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9.1 and 18.1 finally drop out after 11am. Good conditions last night. But good that 9.9 is back. Going to work with antenna in the attic and see if I can hold on to main WSOC and WCCB. And try a new preamp.
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WSOC 9.9 Crowders Mtn. back on the air this morning. Also getting main 9.1 since last night.
Conditions were really good early this morning for long range reception. Our 18 month old woke us up about 3am and I watched a little TV from the Channels app on my iPad while I waited on her to settle back down. WOLO from Columbia was coming in so strong the HDHomeRun device added it. It was coming in at 100% signal and around 60% signal quality.
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What do you consider the most distant or most challenging station with your set up? Thought I'd ask that rather than a list of everything you can get!
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I tried the same Antop antenna you have up in the mtns..it's really poor in that environment..while I'm at 3700', even with the amp the signals are too weak due to distance for it. The 1byOne OUS00-0555 85 mile antenna out performs it at that location.
Of course, on one end of the house I get a different set of channels than the other end, so a bit of moving around is in order.

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What do you consider the most distant or most challenging station with your set up? Thought I'd ask that rather than a list of everything you can get!
The most difficult station is WOLO. I get it at night very strong, but it drops off by morning. Sorry Bobby.
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The most difficult station is WOLO. I get it at night very strong, but it drops off by morning. Sorry Bobby.
When conditions are good, this is what I pull in. When they are bad I tend to lose WYFF and WOLO



WBTV
WSPA
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WCEE
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The most difficult station is WOLO. I get it at night very strong, but it drops off by morning. Sorry Bobby.

Even tho you could throw a rock from your balcony and hit WOLO's master control....

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I tried the same Antop antenna you have up in the mtns..it's really poor in that environment..while I'm at 3700', even with the amp the signals are too weak due to distance for it. The 1byOne OUS00-0555 85 mile antenna out performs it at that location.
Of course, on one end of the house I get a different set of channels than the other end, so a bit of moving around is in order.
The Antop panel antennas work very good. 400B, 403B. They come with Smartpass amp and the BV adds VHF dipole.
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The Antop panel antennas work very good. 400B, 403B. They come with Smartpass amp and the BV adds VHF dipole.
I tried that one and found that it did not pull in the Columbia market at all.
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I have an Antop 400B on top of the bookshelf in the bonus room and it pulls in all the Dallas signals from Charlotte, the WSOC translator, and all of the GSP channels,including 7 and 13. It is a good flat panel antenna with an indoor stand and adjustable gain amplifier. It is optimized for UHF, but if VHF is a problem, then the BV version adds a VHF dipole.
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I have an Antop 400B on top of the bookshelf in the bonus room and it pulls in all the Dallas signals from Charlotte, the WSOC translator, and all of the GSP channels,including 7 and 13. It is a good flat panel antenna with an indoor stand and adjustable gain amplifier. It is optimized for UHF, but if VHF is a problem, then the BV version adds a VHF dipole.

Best and cheapest long range antenna is the HDB91X...IMO
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When conditions are good, this is what I pull in. When they are bad I tend to lose WYFF and WOLO



WBTV
WSPA
WSOC
14 and all subs
WCCB
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WOLO
WCEE
WLOS

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WCNC
41 and all subs
WTVI
WJZY
WGHP
WXLV
WMYT
UNC58
WYCW
WAXN
WACH
Just curious, is your balcony facing west (towards the Dallas towers)? Or another direction? And since you get WGHP (FOX) and WXLV (ABC) from the Greensboro market, just wondering if you ever get WFMY (CBS)?
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Best and cheapest long range antenna is the HDB91X...IMO
I used to have an outdoor Yagi style antenna (the Winegard 9095P). It was highly directional but performed well for fringe stations. Never tried the HDB91X, but I know know its had positive reviews for a number of years. And specs seem to suggest that the HDB91X has a wider beam width versus my old Winegard 9095P.
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I used to have an outdoor Yagi style antenna (the Winegard 9095P). It was highly directional but performed well for fringe stations. Never tried the HDB91X, but I know know its had positive reviews for a number of years. And specs seem to suggest that the HDB91X has a wider beam width versus my old Winegard 9095P.
I had that one as well, brought it to work at my old job in Salisbury and it's still there performing well. I think the HDB91X performs just as well IMO.

I have played around with close to 30 different antennas and this one attached is great for 40-miles or less and I think I paid $29.00. for it.
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