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Looks like both of those stations broadcast from the same antenna. Maybe lightning and/or wind damaged it.

Edit: Anyway, they both got back on the air around 9 PM.

Looks like "Today with God" also got knocked off the air by ... God? About 1 PM today.

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I’ll check out those models. Why do you think i could get fox and cbs really well with the antenna downstairs but now only get nbc and pbs with it in attic? Was expecting better reception from the attic.

Will i need an amplifier. Run is about 60-75 ft

I don’t see any optional vhf stuff with this.
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I live up between Denton and Decatur, and this is the antenna I use. It's a $42 RCA ANT751E. I have mine mounted outside because of my radiant barrier, but you can also mount it in the attic if you don't have it. It's a good performer on both VHF and UHF, especially with an amplifier, and is fairly compact in size. I get around 100 channels total when I scan. BTW, that post mount that comes with it is identical to a Dish satellite dish mount. I just mounted it on the Dish post when I cut the cord.
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Whoa - what happened to KAZD/55 this morning? It's still on the air and watchable (doesn't seem to be pixelating or anything), but the signal quality is WAY down. Not seeing anything similar on other stations.

I wonder if KVFW turned their transmitter back on but have it tuned to RF 39 instead of 38? It sort of sounds like something they'd do....
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Signal quality of KAZD has certainly taken a dump at your location looking at the graphs, but it's fine here. Watching a little Biz TV 55.6 coming in with sq a solid 61 on the 'Pal tuner.
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It was off-air (LOS) last night when I randomly channel surfed here in Plano.
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sq a solid 61 on the 'Pal tuner.
That's what I'm getting on my Pal too: 61-64. Before it was more like 91-93.

Doesn't seem to affect watchability. I guess the HDHomeRun that provides my graph data is more sensitive than the Pal tuners to whatever the heck is going on. You can see a similar drop on schultdw's graphs, although his HDHR is at least able to maintain a lock.... https://www.rabbitears.info/tvdx/sig...7F/tuner0/KAZD

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I’ve now have 55.6 back.
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So, earlier today (Monday), when I pressed the Info button for --any-- station, I got the Message "No Info Available". But then, after midnight, the program information began showing. I was getting the station info and other specs earlier, but just no program information.


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That's very odd. I don't know anything about your LG (you can start a thread to ask about it in the Displays section if you're really curious), but Jan. 1 firmware bugs aren't unheard of.

For example, Channel Master's DVR+ refuses to schedule any time-based recordings at the start of a new year, even though name-based recordings keep working OK. After a day or two, it recovers and time-based recordings start working again.
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That's very odd. I don't know anything about your LG (you can start a thread to ask about it in the Displays section if you're really curious), but Jan. 1 firmware bugs aren't unheard of.

For example, Channel Master's DVR+ refuses to schedule any time-based recordings at the start of a new year, even though name-based recordings keep working OK. After a day or two, it recovers and time-based recordings start working again.

In my case, whatever the issue was, it cleared up with the New Year.
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Well, it's a new year, and Ion just added HSN back to KPXD/68, on subchannel 6. (It used to be there, but got dropped for a while. Now it's back. Happy new year!)

Because, you know, you can never have too many channels airing HSN. (25.1, 26.2, 34.1, 68.6 - did I leave any off? Edit: Yes I did: 52.5.)

And every one is in SD too. I still don't understand why HSN, Inc. doesn't just air HSN in HD on 25.1 and HSN 2 in SD on 25.2 - and quit throwing away $$ on all the simulcasts. I could sort of understand bringing back the Ion simulcast since Ion's full-power in most markets and has a large national reach, but why the heck does HSN buy time on 26, 34, & 52?

Maybe they're just preparing for the repack. 26 is moving to VHF-Lo, which most folks won't be equipped to receive; 34 is drastically cutting back their coverage of the metroplex; and 25's fate is still up in the air: they want to move to RF 7, but so do a couple of other LPTVs. 52 is safe, but it's VHF; for maximum coverage they probably want a UHF station.

My guess is, they have the $$ to buy the other two contenders off, and/or offer the others a channel-sharing deal, so they'll probably win the battle for RF 7 (which is fine with me: the other two contenders are channels 31 and 38. 31 wants to go the same route as 34 and cover a ludicrously small area, and of course 38 can't shoot straight). But that's still only VHF. No matter what happens to the LPTVs, the Ion deal will give them full-power UHF coverage in D/FW.

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Whoa - what happened to KAZD/55 this morning? It's still on the air and watchable (doesn't seem to be pixelating or anything), but the signal quality is WAY down. Not seeing anything similar on other stations.

I wonder if KVFW turned their transmitter back on but have it tuned to RF 39 instead of 38? It sort of sounds like something they'd do....
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That's what I'm getting on my Pal too: 61-64. Before it was more like 91-93.
Well, whatever the matter was, it's fixed now! Pal now reading 90-91. Looks like KAZD went back to normal yesterday around noon or so.
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Getting some pretty amazing tropo from Tyler right now. KFXK/51 from over 100 miles away is coming in like a local station.
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KXAS CH 5 picture is pixelating while trying to watch the playoff game this afternoon.

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Well, it's a new year, and Ion just added HSN back to KPXD/68, on subchannel 6. (It used to be there, but got dropped for a while. Now it's back. Happy new year!)

Because, you know, you can never have too many channels airing HSN. (25.1, 26.2, 34.1, 68.6 - did I leave any off? Edit: Yes I did: 52.5.)
And now, HSN is gone from 52.5. But it's still on the other four....
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They're working it out amongst themselves

Applicant NameCall Sign-FCC Facility IDFCC LMS File No.
Ventana Television, Inc.K25FW-D – 423420000054800
The Edge Spectrum, Inc.K31MU-D – 1832060000051796
HC2 LPTV Holdings, Inc.K31GL-D – 529230000051676
New York Spectrum Holding Company LLCKVFW-LD - 534330000053902
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2. The above-listed applications have been found by the FCC to be mutually exclusive and
were listed in MX Group 60 in FCC Public Notice DA 18-1108, released October 30, 2018. In the
same Public Notice, the FCC offered an opportunity for mutually exclusive applicants to enter into
agreements to resolve mutual exclusivities. Absent such agreements, the FCC will subject mutually
exclusive applications to competitive bidding to determine which application or applications will be
granted and which will be dismissed.

3. The Applicants intend, by this Agreement, to resolve all mutual exclusivities between and
among their applications
, such that the FCC may grant each of their applications without competitive
bidding. To that end, each Applicant hereby agrees to accept interference to the facilities proposed
in its own application caused by the proposals in the applications of any of the other Applicants.

8. The Parties agree that implementation of this Agreement will serve the public interest by
permitting the maximum number of applications to be granted and the maximum number of
applicants to provide programming to the public. They intend to work together to develop facilities
and operating procedures that will minimize interference to reception of their signals by the public.
OK, so what the heck does that mean? All four stations have agreed to accept interference from each other, so the FCC can grant all four construction permits. The FCC has done so. But does that mean all four transmitters are going to be built? Probably not. That would be wasteful, and since they all interfere with each other, only one could be turned on at a time; otherwise almost no one would receive anything.

The most logical thing to do would be to pick one of the four CPs - probably KVFW's, since it pretty much encompasses the coverage areas of the other three - work together to build that one, and then enter into another agreement to share it.

How many channels will that be? Well, before 31 and 38 went off the air, we had 25-1 (HSN), 31-1 (SBN), 31-2/31-3 (Hot TV), 31-4 (was AMGTV for a while, then went rogue), 31-5 (infomercials), 38-2 (infomercials), 38-3 (Retro TV), 38-4 (Rev'n), plus whatever K31MU was broadcasting. If all those come back, that's at least nine SD channels - a tight fit, but manageable.

Because channel 31 is owned by HC2, which owns other DFW stations such as KSFW and KHPK (both currently off the air), there are other options. For example, if they light up KSFW, they could offer to share it with K31MU (which would avoid the confusion of having two channel 43's in the metroplex). That would reduce RF 7's load to eight SD channels. If they also moved one or two of K31GL's former channels to KSFW or KHPK, that would be even better.

Or - who knows? They could build all four transmitters, switch to ATSC 3.0, and call it a SFN

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The most logical thing to do would be to pick one of the four CPs - probably KVFW's, since it pretty much encompasses the coverage areas of the other three - work together to build that one, and then enter into another agreement to share it.
KVFW's permit features an antenna that does not exist, so far as I know. They may ultimately settle on an antenna that approximates what KVFW-LD filed for, but I very much doubt it will be exactly the facility as currently filed.

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I always thought their proposed "Pac-Man" radiation pattern was strange. I knew it was a custom design, but I figured someone had actually designed it, at least. I envisioned an omni with a pair of giant reflectors joined at a 90-degree angle right behind it. If they do build that, or something like it, I'd love to go out there and train my binoculars on the thing!

(But I certainly wouldn't trust KVFW to get it built on their own. They can't even keep their current facility on the air! So I'm glad the four are working together, whatever they finally come up with.)

As to the possibility of amending KVFW's application, if necessary, to a more realistic antenna design, the stations' "non-aggression pact" did include this provision:
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So under the agreement, KVFW can amend, but only as long as they don't increase the (admittedly already massive) interference to the other three stations. That might prove to be a stumbling block.

The next best proposal was K25FW's. K25FW's channel 7 proposal covers an area similar to KVFW's current channel 38 coverage, so KVFW may be happy sharing RF 7 with K25FW. K31MU could still share RF 2 with KSFW, and K31GL could share with another HC2-owned station such as RF 10. (While they're at it, I hope HC2 decides to put KJJM on a shared channel too, and give up that ridiculous RF 12 proposal.) They'll still have the KVFW proposal approved, if they can make it work in the next 3 years.

Lots of possibilities. At least, working together, there's a chance they'll come up with something reasonable.
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With the LG smart TV that I got last year, they give the option to select favorite channels for a Fav button on the remote. But to channel surf with the "channel" button, and, have the TV only show the channels I want to scan, I had to go in and "Delete" all of the channels I did not want. So, I did that.


But today, I noticed that for channel 49, I had an extra 49-3 (Grit), and I had a 49-2 (Get TV) that I did have as one to see. And to note, I did not do a manual channel scan today.


Something happened with CH 49, and they duplicated, sort of, channels 49-2 and 49-3.


So, I went in and manually deleted the extra Grit channel and the Get TV channel.


As a side note, the extra 49-3 channel was labeled as "Grit", and the original 49-3 channel, which I still have, is labeled "GRIT."

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Ktxd & kstr

Looks like this is the beginning of the upcoming repack.

KTXD has (finally) updated the subchannel names for Charge and TBD, and is also now broadcasting Grit and GetTV from KSTR. The later use the virtual channel numbers they have on KSTR (49.3 and 49.2).
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Good catch! It's not related to the upcoming repack, though. They're preparing for the ATSC 3.0 SFN test. (It was supposed to have started already but was delayed when Sinclair's bid to buy Tribune's TV stations, including KDAF/33 here, fell through.)

Edit: BTW, this explains where See The Light's duplicates of 49.2 and 49.3 came from. They weren't coming from KSTR as one might think; they were coming from KTXD.

They'll need to find a host for 49.1 (KUVN would seem like a logical choice), then they can flip RF 48 to 3.0. If/when that happens it'll probably carry both KTXD and the other host.

But RF 48 will move to RF 34 in the repack regardless of whether this happens or not.

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Good catch! It's not related to the upcoming repack, though. They're preparing for the ATSC 3.0 SFN test. (It was supposed to have started already but was delayed when Sinclair's bid to buy Tribune's TV stations, including KDAF/33 here, fell through.)

Edit: BTW, this explains where See The Light's duplicates of 49.2 and 49.3 came from. They weren't coming from KSTR as one might think; they were coming from KTXD.

They'll need to find a host for 49.1 (KUVN would seem like a logical choice), then they can flip RF 48 to 3.0. If/when that happens it'll probably carry both KTXD and the other host.

But RF 48 will move to RF 34 in the repack regardless of whether this happens or not.
Gotcha. Forgot about the ATSC 3.0 test. Was so delayed that I thought it was cancelled.

It appears that they will indeed be moving KSTR's main Unimas broadcast to KUVN. Both stations are now broadcasting their main channels in 720p instead of 1080i.
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It appears that they will indeed be moving KSTR's main Unimas broadcast to KUVN. Both stations are now broadcasting their main channels in 720p instead of 1080i.
Bad news for soccer fans. Although I assume the ATSC 3.0 versions will be 1080i (maybe even 1080p). Unfortunately it looks like it'll be quite some time before any of us can watch the 3.0 broadcasts.
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Most Univision O&O stations have already been dropped to 720p, even without ATSC 3.0 to push them to do so. In many of the places where I don't have the Univision O&O stations as having moved to 720p, I don't think I'm fully up to date.

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One thing I noticed, the old 49.3 "GRIT" all caps automatically goes 16:9 wide, the new one "Grit" on 71.3 (DTVPal interpretation of the dup channel) does not widen out so their aspect ratio setting is screwed up.
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KTXD has always had aspect ratio problems. It looks like 47.3 (CHARGE!), 47.4 (TBD), and their version of 49.2 (GetTV) and 49.3 (Grit) are all supposed to be 16:9 but are all declaring themselves to be 4:3

Looks like they still have some work to do before they switch RF 48 off. Besides the aspect ratio problem and the incorrect time of day, the program guides for the KTXD-hosted copies have no meaningful info; just "GetTV Programming" or "Grit Programming" over and over. Also, there's something funky about their guides that prevents them from showing on my iVIEW at all (other stations' guides work OK)
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So, our friends at KVFW/38 returned to the air last Dec. 21, were on the air all of five days, then went off the air again. They've been off the air ever since.

Today (better late than never, I guess) they requested a silent STA from the FCC with this explanation:
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Station KVFW-LD is one of four stations that filed mutually exclusive applications in the LPTV displacement window. All four applicants amended their applications to accept incoming interference from any of the other applicants in MX Group No. 60. The FCC granted the KVFW-LD displacement application (LMS- 0000053902) on January 15, 2019. The CP cannot be implemented until the four parties reach an agreement on an engineering or other solution to enable all four stations to operate in an optimal manner. The station has been removed from the air while discussions are ongoing and the CP can be implemented.
Doesn't make sense to me. True, none of the four stations can fire up a new RF 7 facilities until they all decide what they're all going to do; but until repacking phase 3 arrives, there's no reason KVFW can't fire up their current RF 38 transmitter! I mean, it was working not that long ago

K31GL, in contrast, has an excuse: they lost their antenna when KHPK moved from UHF to VHF. (K31GL was sharing KHPK's UHF antenna.) It wouldn't make sense to erect a new RF 31 antenna, only to have to shut it back down again in a few months.

But unless KVFW has suffered damage to their transmitter or antenna, the upcoming move doesn't give them a similar excuse.

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Gotcha. Forgot about the ATSC 3.0 test. Was so delayed that I thought it was cancelled.

It appears that they will indeed be moving KSTR's main Unimas broadcast to KUVN. Both stations are now broadcasting their main channels in 720p instead of 1080i.
Looks like it's going to be March 1 (link):
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UniMás Dallas LLC (“UniMás”) ... respectfully requests that the Commission grant Experimental Authorizations to allow KSTR-DT, Irving, TX (“KSTR”) to commence ATSC 3.0 operations at its current site beginning March 1, 2019 as a “lighthouse” station in the initial phase deployment for next-generation television broadcasting in the Dallas-Ft. Worth Designated Market Area (“DMA”).

KSTR-DT currently broadcasts three program streams – one primary and two substreams:
• UniMás – HD (1080i)
• Grit – SD (480i)
• getTV – SD (480i)

UniMás. As part of the Next Gen TV initial phase deployment plan, KSTR has agreed to operate its transmission platform in ATSC 3.0 for a period of two years. While doing so, it will continue to broadcast its primary UniMás stream in ATSC 1.0 on sister station KUVN, using that stream’s current call sign and virtual channel 49.1.

getTV. The getTV digital substream will be relocated to KTXD-TV (Facility ID No. 42359), (“KTXD”) licensed to KTXD License Company, LLC, wholly-owned by Cunningham Broadcasting Corporation, where it will be transmitted using its current call sign and virtual channel 49.2.

Grit. The Grit digital substream will be relocated to KUVN, where it will be transmitted using its current call sign and virtual channel 49.3. To create capacity for Grit to be hosted on KUVN, one digital substream, Laff, currently being transmitted on KUVN will be relocated to KTXD, where it will be transmitted using its current call sign and virtual channel, 23.4.

In addition to transmitting its current programming using the ATSC 3.0 transmission platform, KSTR also may act as an ATSC 3.0 “Host” facility for the Univision main stream programming currently carried on KUVN.

As a result of the deployment, KSTR initially will broadcast up to two ATSC 3.0 program streams:
• UniMás – HD (720p minimum)
• Univision – HD (720p minimum) – From KUVN

KUVN currently broadcasts four program channels – one primary and three substreams:
• Univision – HD (720p)
• Bounce – SD (480i)
• Escape – SD (480i)
• Laff – SD (480i)

KUVN will act as an ATSC 1.0 “Host” facility for the required primary simulcast programming of KSTR, UniMás HD. In so doing, it will continue to broadcast three of its four program streams in ATSC 1.0 along with the KSTR simulcast (which will air on virtual channel 49.1) and Grit from its sister station, KSTR.

Subsequent to the deployment, KUVN will broadcast five program streams:
• Univision – HD (720p)
• UniMás – HD (720p) – From KSTR
• Bounce – SD (480i)
• Escape – SD (480i)
• Grit – (480i) – From KSTR

KTXD currently broadcasts five program streams – one primary and four substreams:
• Stadium – HD (720p)
• Comet TV – SD (480i)
TBD – SD (480i)
• Charge! – SD (480i)
• SonLife – (SD (480i)

KTXD has agreed to act as an ATSC 1.0 “Host” facility for one ATSC 1.0 programming stream of both KSTR and KUVN during the period in which KSTR operates in ATSC 3.0: getTV, virtual channel 49.2 from KSTR and Laff, virtual channel 23.4 from KUVN. In so doing, it will continue to broadcast its current program streams in ATSC 1.0 except for Charge!. (Viewers in Dallas, however, will not lose access to Charge! since the station will continue to be carried in the market on KDAF, Channel 32.) Subsequent to the deployment, KTXD will broadcast six program streams – one HD and five multicast SD:
• Stadium – HD (720p)
• Comet TV – SD (480i)
TBD – SD (480i)
• SonLife – SD (480i)
• Laff SD (480i) – From KUVN
• getTV SD (480i) – From KSTR
(Whew!) A few notes:

  1. I'm surprised they're targeting March 1 rather than waiting until the repack. That means we OTA viewers will have to rescan twice.

  2. The plan above mixes things up a bit more than expected, with 49.1 and 49.3 moving to KUVN's transmitter; 23.4 and 49.2 moving to KTXD's transmitter, and 47.3 being dropped. If this goes through as planned, we'll lose Charge! when KDAF switches 33.4 to Court TV in May.

    That said, plans change; as you know KTXD is broadcasting 49.2 and 49.3, not 49.2 and 23.4; and they haven't dropped 47.3 (yet). Maybe someone figured out they didn't need to make things so complicated.

  3. Initially the ATSC 3.0 signal won't be anything to write home about; just 23.1 and 49.1, and not even in FHD! So we won't be missing much at first. But by the time consumer ATSC 3.0 tuners hit the market, I expect the signal will carry all 23.x, 47.x, and 49.x subchannels, and several may be in higher resolution than their ATSC 1.0 counterparts.
Edit: This video might be of interest as well:
(although I'm frequently amused at the hype that always seems to surround ATSC 3.0: "ATSC 3.0 Home Gateway (TM?) That Enables Seamless Consumption of OTA+OTT Content!" They always seem to be totally oblivious to products that do that already with ATSC 1.0. I do expect the "Home Gateway" will be an improvement since it should eliminate the need for transcoding, but let's not pretend it's the first product ever to "enable seamless consumption of OTA+OTT content.")

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