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post #9091 of 9121 Old 04-27-2019, 05:11 PM
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If you ask me, it looks like This TV is on its way out. Affiliates have been dropping it over the years, and outside of briefly airing Sinclair's KidsClick block, its very nature as a movie channel means that it's been utterly stagnant for a long time.
I must admit, I haven't watched This TV for quite a long time. But I'm not a movie buff. OTOH, they do air some TV series that they happen to have rights to.

How are other movie channels like Movies! & GetTV faring? Seems like GetTV is mostly westerns any more, almost a copy of Grit.
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Out of market, but K31LQ-D (RF31) up in Sherman has resumed operations after being silent for a year. It's broadcasting KXII's MyNetworkTV (12.2) in 720p. (KXII was debating about upgrading their 12.2 subchannel to 720p last year, but instead opted to add ION on 12.4)

Will have to see if it actually stays up this time, or if it'll go silent due to "hardware failure" after a few days like it did in 2018, 2017, and possibly 2016. (https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...ilityId=184857)


The legal ID now shows both KXII-DT 12.2 and K31LQ, so it looks to be My’s home for providing a higher def OTA signal.


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KDTN/2 (Daystar) is having some issues this afternoon. No sound and the picture is pixelating badly. Signal seems to be at full strength though.

Edit: KDTN is now watchable but has had issues off and on all day; they may have switched to their aux facility just over an hour ago, because their signal strength dropped suddenly.

Edit 2: Looks like it's finally fixed now.

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Wonder what's going on with KDFW Ch4. Seems every day for the past week or so for a couple of hours centered around noon their signal has weakened then gets restored to full afterward.
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In the repack, KDFI is moving to the KDFW tower. They're probably doing the tower work during the day, and operating KDFW from the aux facility during that time.

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I spoke with Kurt, the Chief Technical Officer with HC2 today about the PSIP being off an hour on their Lake Dallas Azteca station KAZD CH. 55.


In talking with Kurt, I learned that the re-pack to be completed sometime on June 21st, will force all DTV stations on actual channels 37-69 to end or to move to a channel from 2-36.


I also mentioned that the A/V sync was off on channel 55-7 and he said he would get that information relayed to the correct contact.

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I spoke with Kurt, the Chief Technical Officer with HC2 today about the PSIP being off an hour on their Lake Dallas Azteca
They have three time problems.


1) dst_status indicates standard time.
2) Time is off by ~17 seconds.
3) GPS offset is 17 when it should be 18.


Something happened in December 2017. I consulted my data archives and after completing the transition out of DST there was a delay and then things changed. The data then indicated an upcoming transition on the 1st of the month at hour zero. The data has remained stable since then, skipping the transitions into DST. I suspect they replaced their PSIP hardware and never got it configured correctly.


On the plus side the time data is much more stable even if the error is stuck in the range of 17 to 18 seconds slow.
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Don't know if it means anything, but it looks like K25FW (HSN) stopped broadcasting at 2 PM this afternoon.

KPXD/68 is moving to RF 25. According to the transition progress report they filed with the FCC today, they're ready to begin testing, so K25FW had to shut down by Saturday. If that's all it is, expect to see RF 25 light up this weekend (or maybe Monday) with a duplicate of KPXD programming.
Took rather longer than I thought, but KPXD/68 is now simulcasting on RF 25 as well as their old frequency (RF 42). They're the first DFW station to move since the start of Phase 3 (KHPK and KXAS moved last year).

Edit: Wow - looks like KPXD/68 went ahead and threw the switch at midnight! RF 42 is off the air. I expected them to simulcast until June 21, but it looks like you'll need to rescan now to pick them up on their new frequency.

Maybe T-Mobile was just really anxious to get rid of a little more interference in outlying areas, and asked them to shut down RF 42 early.

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KFWD (RF9) has added a new subchannel, 52.2 BizTV (with Viene and Evine being shifted to .3 and .4). Right now it's just showing station identification. BizTV is still airing normally on KAZD (RF39) on subchannel 55.6. Wonder if it's going to be a duplicate broadcast, or if BizTV plans on permanently moving.

EDIT: 52.2 is now live.

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A couple of notes: Trip is right about what KDFW is doing. I believe that work is done now. They are also airing promos telling people that KDFI will move to its new frequency (RF27) on June 18.

Finally, Biz TV on KAZD has a note at the top of the screen saying Biz TV will move to 52.2 on June 15. I assume that since they are now live on 52.2, they will simulcast until then.
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KDFW is ... also airing promos telling people that KDFI will move to its new frequency (RF27) on June 18.
Well, that's 3 days ahead of the deadline; I guess they needed to give KXTX a few days to get ready to move from RF 40. I wonder if KTXA and KUVN will also move early for the same reason?

Also means KODF will be displaced a few days early. No idea whether their new RF 3 transmitter will be ready in time, or if they'll have to go off the air for a while.

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Does anyone have contact information for anyone in engineering at KUVN/KSTR? They have their AFD flagged as 1001 (4:3 centercut, pillarbox on 16:9 screen) on both KUVN and KSTR, which is really annoying because it causes my TV (which actually follows the AFD spec) to chop off the sides of the video. This is clearly the wrong setting on the station's part since the active video area is 16:9 (it is HD content after all), and they should either be using 1000 (full frame) or 1010 (16:9, letterbox on 4:3 screens), since none of the content I've seen is 4:3-safe. Admittedly, since I don't speak Spanish about all I watch on either station is soccer, but part of the loss of the sides is loss of half the scorebar, and when I just happened to turn on the news on KUVN, all the graphics were cut off.
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Wonder what's going on with KDFW Ch4. Seems every day for the past week or so for a couple of hours centered around noon their signal has weakened then gets restored to full afterward.
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In the repack, KDFI is moving to the KDFW tower. They're probably doing the tower work during the day, and operating KDFW from the aux facility during that time.

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A couple of notes: Trip is right about what KDFW is doing. I believe that work is done now. They are also airing promos telling people that KDFI will move to its new frequency (RF27) on June 18.
Yes; looks like it went on from May 9 through May 15. Since then everything has looked normal.

Trivia: it appears KDFI is the only D/FW station moving its RF channel to its virtual channel in the repack. (KUVN and several LPTVs are moving their RF channels from their virtual channels.)
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It looks like KHPK actually turned on their transmitter for a hot minute today. They only transmitted one subchannel though, so it was apparently just a test. (When they were last on the air, they had nine, although only about three had any programming.)
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The storm this morning seems to have knocked KPFW/18 off the air. Depending on how bad the damage is, that may be it for their RF 18 signal.

Edit: Looks like they popped back on about 4:30 AM (not before I picked up KYTX briefly via tropo though), so I guess the damage wasn't that serious.
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Looks like KWDA/30 went off the air about 11:30 AM today (Saturday).... I'm guessing some kind of equipment failure, possibly related to the rain.

  • Edit: Well. KPFW/18 just went off the air too. This one really does look vacant, so it may be for repacking (even though KTXA/21 is nowhere near ready to take RF 18 yet). If so, they're gone forever from my area.
  • Edit 2: Of course, as soon as I posted that edit, KPFW/18's signal reappeared. I guess they're having trouble with the rain too.
  • Edit 3: It looks like the residual signal on RF 21 is KWDA/30 after all; it's just too weak and degraded to get a consistent lock. But every once in a while, I can get a brief lock just long enough to identify that it's still KWDA.
  • Edit 4: Looks like they got it fixed today (Sunday). They're back at full power now.
In almost a carbon copy of those events, KPFW/18 and KWDA/30 got knocked off the air again by today's storms. KPFW/18 seems to be completely off the air again, while KWDA/30 seems to be broadcasting at very low power (too weak to decode) again.

We'll see if/when they get these fixed. Edit: Looks like KWDA/30 is back to full power again, as of about 9:10 PM today. KPFW/18 is still off the air.

It's possible KPFW/18 may just go ahead and switch to their new RF 5 transmitter (which I'll never be able to receive anyway), so this may be the last I ever see of them. It's getting pretty close to transition week.

Edit: KPFW/18 got back on the air late last night, so I guess I'll have it until the 21st. Too bad there's nothing left on it to watch except infomercials.

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Well, that's 3 days ahead of the deadline; I guess they needed to give KXTX a few days to get ready to move from RF 40. I wonder if KTXA and KUVN will also move early for the same reason?
KTXA won't move until the 21st, but someone (presumably KUVN) is testing on RF 33 right now. Anyone with a spare tuner they can try scanning RF 33 with?

Edit: They appear to be tuning it. SQ on RF 33 started out poor but is steadily improving. Edit 2: Looks like they have it just about perfect now.

Edit 3: Weird; I just scanned it and it doesn't seem to contain any streams! Great signal but (literally) nothing on it.

Edit 4: Even weirder, RF 34 is the same way! It looks like KJJM shut down right before RF 33 fired up, then RF 34 fired up again but at much higher power. That must be KSTR's new transmitter, but it's definitely an ATSC 1.0 signal - if it's KSTR I'd think it should be ATSC 3.0 and I shouldn't be able to lock it.

Maybe KSTR was doing the same thing as KUVN and tuning their mask filter. The SQ showed the same somewhat steady increase starting from when the transmitter turned on.

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Can confirm. Both RF33 and RF34 are coming in hot for me, and my HDHRs detect 8VSB modulation on both (which is used by ATSC 1.0, but not 3.0), but not seeing any programs.
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Well, I guess the test is over. RF 34 went off the air at 5 PM and RF 33 followed suit around 5:30 or so. So the net effect was just to knock KJJM off the air a week early.

It'll be interesting to hear if/when anyone in the south or east metroplex picks up KJJM on RF 12. That transmitter is completely out of my receiving range though.
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KDFI is now broadcasting on both RF27 and RF36. Not sure what the status of KODF is. Not seeing anything on RF3, but I might not be able to pick it up from my location anyway.

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I should be able to get RF 3, but it looks like it's still off the air. KDFI jumped a few days ahead of time and may have caught KODF off guard; last I heard KDFI was moving on the 18th. (Maybe that's when they'll shut off RF 36 to make room for KXTX.)
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Well, I guess they were just testing, because RF 27 just switched back to KODF again
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KTXA won't move until the 21st, but someone (presumably KUVN) is testing on RF 33 right now.

Edit: They appear to be tuning it. SQ on RF 33 started out poor but is steadily improving. Edit 2: Looks like they have it just about perfect now.

Edit 3: Weird; I just scanned it and it doesn't seem to contain any streams! Great signal but (literally) nothing on it.
Looking at signal graphs for RF 23, it looks like KUVN/23 switched to their auxiliary transmitter about 10 AM Friday. They're still on it from what I can tell.

It was Friday afternoon that they started the test transmission on RF 33, presumably from their main antenna. They may wait until close to the deadline before they turn it back on "for real."

Same probably goes for KSTR (ATSC 3, so who cares) and KDFI/27; of course we're told KDFI will switch on June 18.
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I know in the grand scheme of life this is a small issue but I wonder of all these people from all the stations/agencies/what not understand the amount of time that can be consumed in having to rescan multiple sets and DVR servers? Some of my TVs require a complete rescan and setup to change a single channel, that includes rebuilding the ignore lists. It easily takes me a couple hours to get everything working again and they can't even coordinate these activities.

Sorry, my rant for the day on why the government should run less of our lives and not more. Don't get me going on these "new fangled gas cans" that spill more gas than ever evaporated

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Looking at signal graphs for RF 23, it looks like KUVN/23 switched to their auxiliary transmitter about 10 AM Friday. They're still on it from what I can tell.

It was Friday afternoon that they started the test transmission on RF 33, presumably from their main antenna. They may wait until close to the deadline before they turn it back on "for real."

Same probably goes for KSTR (ATSC 3, so who cares) and KDFI/27; of course we're told KDFI will switch on June 18.
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Yes, I agree. It would've been much better if all the stations had waited until dark-30 on 6/21 and switched over all at once. Then everyone in DFW could wake up on Friday, rescan their TVs, and be done with it. I have a few tuners that I'm not even going to mess with until after 6/21 for that very reason.

Instead, we had KHPK switching almost as soon as the auction was complete (low power, and they're off the air now anyhow, so few folks care); then KXAS moved last Sept., then we had the KSTR reshuffle (due to ATSC 3.0 instead of repacking, but the average viewer doesn't know or care about that), then KPXD moved last month, KDFI is going to move on the 18th, and then I guess everyone else will move on the 21st. If you ignore KHPK that's five rescans, and it won't be completely over even then, because some LP and translator stations won't be ready by the deadline and will just go dark until their new transmitters are ready to light up, requiring yet more rescans. This is exactly what the FCC was trying to avoid with their ten repacking "phases." (Everyone in the country was supposed to have only one or two rescans.)

Some of this was probably due to the over-eagerness of the current FCC leadership to bend over backwards for T-Mobile (early KXAS move) or ATSC 3.0 (KSTR reshuffle), but a lot of it is just due to poor coordination among our local stations.
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AIUI, this whole repacking mess came about because the government was trying to run less of the broadcasters' and wireless companies' lives (if not ours). The whole idea was to let the wireless companies "buy out" willing TV broadcasters in a "free market" auction. So in theory, everyone's happy; well, everyone except us TV viewers....
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The FCC assigned the stations to the phases, but otherwise kept its hands off the specifics of the timings. What it sounds like you actually want is more government regulation here--a requirement that all the stations transition at the same time, if feasible.

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Nope, the government should have left the markets to work it all out in the first place OR set a definite and coordinated schedule. By once again half arsing things that made everything worse.

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Nope, the government should have left the markets to work it all out in the first place....
Well, maybe they should have, but I don't see how that would have gotten what you said you wanted:
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I wonder of all these people from all the stations/agencies/what not understand the amount of time that can be consumed in having to rescan multiple sets and DVR servers? Some of my TVs require a complete rescan and setup to change a single channel, that includes rebuilding the ignore lists. It easily takes me a couple hours to get everything working again and they can't even coordinate these activities.
Methinks leaving the "markets to work it all out" would have resulted in continuous and complete chaos! As soon as digital TV became a thing, some stations would've switched right off the bat; others would still be in analog today! Different stations would've adopted different DTV standards, and manufacturers would be constantly chasing those ever-evolving DTV standards. You'd have to buy new TVs every few years to keep up, and there wouldn't even be any government coupons to help out. And the wireless companies would be free to buy out any station at any time, or vice versa, so TV stations would constantly be moving to new frequencies and/or going on or off the air. No, in this case some authority had to step in and impose order. Markets are a means of optimizing allocation of limited resources, not a magical solution to all societal problems.
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... OR set a definite and coordinated schedule.
I think that would've made the most sense. The auction itself wasn't a bad idea (see, markets do have an important role), but once it was done, Congress should've let the FCC wait until ATSC 3.0 was ready, then rerun the DTV transition, with the proviso that "sister stations" had to share a single ATSC 3.0 transmitter (others could share if they wanted), to ensure everything would fit below RF 36 post-transition. Then most stations would've changed over all at once, and most of the rescans we're dealing with would've been avoided.
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We could go on and on about this so I won't.

I've transitioned large digital networks from platform to platform and protocol to protocol. When left to the free market in both cost and functionality the transitions can be painless and transparent to the user. There could have been numerous capabilities built in to the protocols to migrate frequencies, assignments, and other items "in the background" that an end user doesn't see nor care about.

As I originally stated, in the grand scheme of things this is unimportant.

However, the entire digital transition has been one huge government cluster F with no long range planning or impact concerns. The more government is involved in anything the more things cost, the less efficient they operate, and the more convoluted they become.

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Well, maybe they should have, but I don't see how that would have gotten what you said you wanted:Methinks leaving the "markets to work it all out" would have resulted in continuous and complete chaos! As soon as digital TV became a thing, some stations would've switched right off the bat; others would still be in analog today! Different stations would've adopted different DTV standards, and manufacturers would be constantly chasing those ever-evolving DTV standards. You'd have to buy new TVs every few years to keep up, and there wouldn't even be any government coupons to help out. And the wireless companies would be free to buy out any station at any time, or vice versa, so TV stations would constantly be moving to new frequencies and/or going on or off the air. No, in this case some authority had to step in and impose order. Markets are a means of optimizing allocation of limited resources, not a magical solution to all societal problems.I think that would've made the most sense. The auction itself wasn't a bad idea (see, markets do have an important role), but once it was done, Congress should've let the FCC wait until ATSC 3.0 was ready, then rerun the DTV transition, with the proviso that "sister stations" had to share a single ATSC 3.0 transmitter (others could share if they wanted), to ensure everything would fit below RF 36 post-transition. Then most stations would've changed over all at once, and most of the rescans we're dealing with would've been avoided.
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Something weird is going on with KDTN/2 (Daystar) and KDTX/58 (TBN). Neither is working correctly at the moment. Their transmitters are broadcasting but there doesn't seem to be any video on either station. KDTN also seems to be flipping rapidly back and forth between a good and a weak signal. Bizarre.

Strange they both would have failed so close together in time. Edit: KDTX/58 fixed their issue after a couple of hours. KDTN/2 is still fouled up though.

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Another storm aaand....

... KPFW/18 is off the air yet again. KWDA/30 is still hanging in there for now....
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In almost a carbon copy of those events, KPFW/18 and KWDA/30 got knocked off the air again by today's storms. KPFW/18 seems to be completely off the air again, while KWDA/30 seems to be broadcasting at very low power (too weak to decode) again.

We'll see if/when they get these fixed. Edit: Looks like KWDA/30 is back to full power again, as of about 9:10 PM today. KPFW/18 is still off the air.

It's possible KPFW/18 may just go ahead and switch to their new RF 5 transmitter (which I'll never be able to receive anyway), so this may be the last I ever see of them. It's getting pretty close to transition week.

Edit: KPFW/18 got back on the air late last night, so I guess I'll have it until the 21st. Too bad there's nothing left on it to watch except infomercials.
Edit: They got back on the air pretty quickly. This time it must have been something simple, like a breaker tripped by a power surge.

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