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post #4261 of 4303 Old 03-10-2019, 04:53 AM
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My understanding is that RF9 in Allentown is constructing a new transmitter at 120kw as opposed to their current 80kw signal. They carry WFMZ, WPPT, WLVT, and WBPH. Unfortunately their signal does not reach into South Jersey as it did prior to the repack when these stations were on individual UHF channels.
Can anyone in the Delaware valley get RF9 currently and can anyone confirm when the more powerful signal is supposed to be active?
I wouldn't count on 1.8dB boost in power helping a whole lot. A single-channel folded dipole tuned to 9 and oriented to Bauer Rock would be a more likely solution to try if you really want those channels. Can't get it here in Lower Bucks PA with my Roxborough-aimed setup (I can see a weak signal on 9, but nothing will lock). For quite a while after WFMZ went off-air on RF46, they kept the RF45 transmitter in Roxborough going, but I just checked and that's dead now.


WFMZ also transmits their old subchannel content on RF2 out of Roxborough.

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I actually added an FM antenna from an old stereo to my setup and channel 6 is usually pretty good. If you have one laying around it's worth a try. For some reason it seems to work better hung vertically rather than horizontally.
I bet it has to do with polarization, and not black art.

Radio waves are vertically polarized. That's why the antennas on cars are normal (perpendicular) to the earth's surface. (Vertical whips)
Television signals are horizontally polarized, which is why the elements are parallel to the earth's surface instead of normal to it.

So if you are using an antenna designed to receive radio, it's designed to receive waves that are polarized vertically. To make it better at receiving TV, you roll it 90 degrees so that it's in plane with the television signals... which are vertical.
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WPVI's signal is circularly polarized, which means it has equal power in both the horizontal and vertical planes.

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WPVI's signal is circularly polarized, which means it has equal power in both the horizontal and vertical planes.

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But that that come at a reduced power (say, square root of pi on 2 - no pun intended on pi day), 70.7% of the power that would be received if the signal was polarized in one plane?
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Stations are licensed by the ERP in the horizontal plane. Any power in the vertical plane is a bonus, and shouldn't detract from the ERP in the horizontal plane.

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Anyone in or around South Jersey area, directly across the river from Philly, constantly have issues with WTXF Fox 29.1? Channels 3,6,10,12,17,57 all come in fantastic. I frequently have drop outs and macro-blocking like interference.
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Anyone in or around South Jersey area, directly across the river from Philly, constantly have issues with WTXF Fox 29.1? Channels 3,6,10,12,17,57 all come in fantastic. I frequently have drop outs and macro-blocking like interference.
Is this a problem that has just recently developed?

The reason I ask is that WTXF will be moving from RF42 to RF31 between June 22 and Aug 2, and like most of the stations will be shuffling to auxiliary transmitters/antennas while they replace their primary antennas. The coverage patterns and ERP of these temporary facilities likely will be different from the permanent facilities. WTXF may have started testing the temporary facilities and this may affect reception from time to time. It'll be a crazy couple months here.

FYI, I'm not in South Jersey, but in Lower Bucks County PA. WTXF is coming in dandy here right now, even on my weakest tuner.
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Is this a problem that has just recently developed?

The reason I ask is that WTXF will be moving from RF42 to RF31 between June 22 and Aug 2, and like most of the stations will be shuffling to auxiliary transmitters/antennas while they replace their primary antennas. The coverage patterns and ERP of these temporary facilities likely will be different from the permanent facilities. WTXF may have started testing the temporary facilities and this may affect reception from time to time. It'll be a crazy couple months here.

FYI, I'm not in South Jersey, but in Lower Bucks County PA. WTXF is coming in dandy here right now, even on my weakest tuner.


I can't answer that question. I just cut the cord a month ago. I did order a "better" antenna, will see if that helps. Currently using Antennas Direct ESGXG-1 ClearStream Eclipse Amplified on a window facing NW. Hopefully not throwing money away. Thanks for your reply.

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I've been having trouble with FOX 29 down here in Delaware. Glad to see there might be an answer. Used to be no problem with my antenna, but for the last week or so, nothing. Anyone have a guess as to when it will be fixed? Will I need to do a rescan?
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I've been having trouble with FOX 29 down here in Delaware. Glad to see there might be an answer. Used to be no problem with my antenna, but for the last week or so, nothing. Anyone have a guess as to when it will be fixed? Will I need to do a rescan?
WTXF is coming in fine in Upper Bucks. When it moves to RF31 you probably will need to rescan but it's still on RF42 today.
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I've been having trouble with FOX 29 down here in Delaware. Glad to see there might be an answer. Used to be no problem with my antenna, but for the last week or so, nothing. Anyone have a guess as to when it will be fixed? Will I need to do a rescan?
The move to 31 is scheduled to be finished by August 2nd (the official Phase 4 repack schedule is 22 Jun - 2 Aug). Until then, differing antenna patterns and ERP for auxilliary 42 transmitter(s) are likely to cause oddness.

All of these will be fiddling around until 2 Aug:
KYW 3 26->30
WCAU 10 34->28
WNJS 23 22->23
WTXF 29 42->31
WPSG 57 32->33
WPPX 61 31->34

Each station will tell you when you should do a rescan. We'll be spared WHYY's repack until May 2020.
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Rescan dates/times for the repack

KYW has started running an occasional crawl announcing their cut-over date/time (see below). I'll update this post as I catch more of these. I'm sure they will become more frequent as the dates get closer. If anyone sees info for other stations, just post it and I'll update the table. I have not included infomercial or foreign language stations, just because I never watch them.

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KYW   3       26->30       1:00PM on August 1st
WCAU 10       34->28
WNJS 23       22->23
WTXF 29       42->31
WPSG 57       32->33
WPPX 61       31->34

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From FCC document (updated June 21 2019) "Phase Assignment"
CSV file listing the phase and key transition dates for all U.S. and impeding Canadian stations that must transition to a new channel:
https://data.fcc.gov/download/incent...ent_062119.csv


Columns are callsign, old channel, new channel, completion date.
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WTXF-TV 42  31  8/2/2019
WHYY-TV 12  13  5/1/2020
WCAU    34  28  8/2/2019
KYW-TV  26  30  8/2/2019
WNJS    22  23  8/2/2019
WDPB    44  24  8/2/2019
WPPX-TV 31  34  8/2/2019
WPSG    32  33  8/2/2019
WPSJ-CD 38  27  8/2/2019
WPHY-CD 50  22  8/2/2019
WFPA-CD 28  35  8/2/2019
WQAV-CD 50  26  8/2/2019
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August 2nd is just the phase 4 deadline. Stations can transition before that specifc day. Like KYW is doing it on August 1, along with WNJU/WNBC and WCBS in NYC. While over in Scranton WNEP/WVIA is doing it on July 15.


If you want to find the specific day, pay attention to the channels switching. They should be running tickers and/or promos about it, and hopefully they put some mention on their website.




Also, WDPN/2 and WACP/4 boosted their power about 3 weeks ago, so some of you might have better reception of them.
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Since I don't watch live TV, would someone be kind enough to post each station as it makes the switch so I know when I need to rescan?
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I dug around a bit and found details on the websites for many of the other stations:

WCAU/WWSI, WNJS/WNJT and WTXF are also switching at 1pm on August 1st

I can't find anything on the CBS Philly site, but I'm guessing WPSG will switch at the same time KYW (and WCBS in NYC) does. I also can't find anything on WHYY's website about WDPB's signal for southern Delaware viewers.

Ion doesn't have any local specific info on their website, just a general page to tell people to rescan if they lose their local Ion station. But considering that WPPX is moving to the frequency currently occupied by WCAU and WTXF is moving to the frequency currently occupied by WPPX, they're most likely moving at the same time WCAU and WTXF does. (As for why it's a complicated swap like that, you have to look at the surrounding markets. The RF 31s in NYC and Scranton are also moving to RF 34)

None of those Class A stations have websites, so you'll have to pay attention to any on air tickers and promos to find out dates and times for them. I'm guessing WFPA will switch at the same time as the rest or prior since they need to vacate RF 28 for WCAU, while WQAV and WPHY have to wait for KYW and WNJS/WNJT to move, however WPSJ/WTVE can switch at anytime between now and August 2.

Also, KYW and WPSG filed for STAs to operate at a lower power from a temporary site while they finish construction, so those further away in areas like the Northern Lehigh Valley, Reading, Central and Southeastern NJ and Delaware might have problems receiving them at first, but once they turn on the new signal you should get it better than you get the current signal.

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Since I don't watch live TV, would someone be kind enough to post each station as it makes the switch so I know when I need to rescan?
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Well, the crawl announcements will show up on your recordings also, not just live TV. I suspect as we get within a few days of the date, they'll be displayed very frequently if not continuously.
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That won't help me two months later when I'm watching the recording.
But it seems that, as long as I rescan around the beginning of August, I should be okay.
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That won't help me two months later when I'm watching the recording.
But it seems that, as long as I rescan around the beginning of August, I should be okay.
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Just rescan every week. It doesn't take very long...
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Okay. Starting now?
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It depends when you last scanned. If you haven't scanned in over a year and missed things like WDPN adding RetroTV and Decades along with the numerous shares that already started like WCAU/WWSI, WHYY/WMCN, WPHL/WUVP, WNJS/WNJT, WPHY/WTVE and WMGM/WGTW, you should probably rescan now. I don't know how close you are to Southern NJ, but after the boost in power at the start of June, you might be able to get WACP now too.

Otherwise you most likely don't have to rescan until August 1st at 1pm and possibly again on August 2nd if any of the low power/class A stations wait until the last minute instead of changing earlier. Then again at some point in Spring 2020 when WHYY/WMCN moves. You might also need to do another rescan whenever WBPH/WFMZ restablishes a signal from Roxborough which will give you all the Lehigh Valley signals. (WFMZ has a CP for their RF 45 repeater to return on RF 7, while WBPH has a pending application to convert to a distributed system with a signal at Roxborough RF 9 for their mega share)
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August 2nd is just the phase 4 deadline. Stations can transition before that specifc day. Like KYW is doing it on August 1, along with WNJU/WNBC and WCBS in NYC. While over in Scranton WNEP/WVIA is doing it on July 15.


If you want to find the specific day, pay attention to the channels switching. They should be running tickers and/or promos about it, and hopefully they put some mention on their website.




Also, WDPN/2 and WACP/4 boosted their power about 3 weeks ago, so some of you might have better reception of them.
I have the AntennasDirect ClearStream 2MAX antenna that I use indoors my second floor apartment.

That is an interesting comment you made about Channel 2's power -- in the past I would get Channels 2 and 6 reliably at night and weekends, then both become problematic even during those times, and now recently Channel 2 is crystal clear nights and weekends (while Channel 6 on nights and weekends comes in for the most part but has pixelation, in and out audio) -- I am in Bensalem (borders Philly) 17 miles from the antenna farm in the Roxborough neighborhood of Philly -- Channel 6 (and 2) really should get off low VHF and use UHF.

Also read this thread I had started if you hadn't already -- last year I got NYC channels sometimes and this year on a late night weekend in May and June I got WLNY-55 and others 119 miles away.

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Reading over the past few posts, I have to ask:



When is WPVI-TV (ABC) channel 6 changing channels?
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It's not. They do have a recently granted STA to boost their power as part of a mutal agreement with WRGB in upstate NY, but it hasn't been implemented yet.

Only the ones listed in the chart that Ken.F posted are changing numbers.
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They do have a recently granted STA to boost their power
Even that will be welcome. Any idea of a time frame?
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Afternoon all. I live in Ocean County just a few miles from the Barnegat Bay. We ditched DirecTV this week and have now cut the cord. I'd really like to get the CW for the Fall and also the major channels for NFL coverage. Philly is usually the only one of the two markets near me that shows Steelers games (We are also equal distance to NYC). I contacted Antennaweb last summer to see what we would need and this is what they told me.



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Based on your location, and the heavy foliage to your West, it does not appear likely that you would consistently receive both Philadelphia and NYC. The best possible array to try for Philadelphia or NYC would be a very directional antenna instead of an antenna with a wide pickup path. The DB8e has a very high gain and directional path when both panels are aiming in the same direction, and you can always try to aim one panel North and the other West and try for both. That would give you about 4x the power of the Clearstream 4 Max and essentially two antennas aiming in two directions. For the VHF channels in NYC the Clearstream 5 is best. That is 7 11 and 13 from NYC.



Full disclosure: I want you to receive the channels you want to watch. To be honest, because the signal strength and signal quality is so low before it hits the trees and gets worse, I cannot expect anything but the strongest antennas on the market to have a chance at these channels. That is the DB8e combined with the Clearstream 5, our Juice preamp, mounted outdoors as high as you possibly can.

Is this accurate? I just want to be sure they're not trying to sell me equipment I do not need. Also, does anyone know of an installer in this area? Unfortunately I physically cannot install it myself.
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you need togo tvfool.com punch up your address, post your report so we can help you, otherwise we are only guessing okay, realistically you got no chance for reception from nyc, philly stations perhaps

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The DB8e is UHF only so it won't get you 2.x WDPN (RF 2), 4.x WACP (RF 4), 6.x WPVI (RF 6), or 12.x WHYY/44.x WMCN (RF 12, soon to be RF 13 in 2020). While the Clearstream 5 isn't for VHF-lo so it won't give you anything between RF 2-6. If you're a NFL fan you likely want WPVI since they usually air many of the Eagles Monday Night Football Games.
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Here are my results:
Wow, I don't envy you. Not only don't you have any stations in green (easy reception), you have only a couple of stations in yellow. This means that to get the four major networks and PBS from either market, you will likely need a very good all-band rooftop antenna. Even with the repack and subsequent power increases, with most of your TV stations over 50 miles away, I don't see that changing your need for a premium antenna.
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