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Wow, I don't envy you. Not only don't you have any stations in green (easy reception), you have only a couple of stations in yellow. This means that to get the four major networks and PBS from either market, you will likely need a very good all-band rooftop antenna. Even with the repack and subsequent power increases, with most of your TV stations over 50 miles away, I don't see that changing your need for a premium antenna.

So would the suggestion from Antennaweb be all the equipment I need?



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Based on your report, Philadelphia stations will be your best bet. As such, that antenna will likely not get you ABC from Philadelphia. You're going to need something bigger that supports low-VHF, down to 54 MHz. (The C5 is only for high-VHF and stops at 174 MHz, accordingly.)

I'll let local users who have more experience with WPVI suggest specific antennas.

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Your luck in getting NY stations is very slim since you are near the end or past the reach from the transmitters in NY. Also,you are at the fringe to get Philly stations. Your best bet is to try a very large antenna (like the Winegard 8200u Lo & HighVHF/UHF with a mast mounted pre-amplifer and see what you can get and if the signal remains stable. As an alternative, you can sign up to a streaming service like PS Vue, Hulu ive, Yu Tube and get the major networks through these services. Hope this is informative.
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Wow- I just did a rescan. I've gone from 30+ channels to only 7 (zip code 19425).
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You might want to check if the storms this past weekend damaged your antenna. I'm getting WDPN/2 and WPVI/6 just fine here in the Poconos, and while I can't decode them this far away, I'm seeing signals from the Philly UHFs on RF 17, 26, 32, 34 and 42

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So would the suggestion from Antennaweb be all the equipment I need?
No. As recent posters have said, you need VHF-Lo elements to receive WPVI and WDPN. You could try trailblazer's suggestion (Winegard 8200u), or check out the Channel Master website for antennas like the CM-3020. Remember, mileage claims by CM are usually inflated by at least 30% (they are probably using analog ranges still). Either way, make sure you have no obstructions nearby. A good return policy would be good, too.
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No. As recent posters have said, you need VHF-Lo elements to receive WPVI and WDPN. You could try trailblazer's suggestion (Winegard 8200u), or check out the Channel Master website for antennas like the CM-3020. Remember, mileage claims by CM are usually inflated by at least 30% (they are probably using analog ranges still). Either way, make sure you have no obstructions nearby. A good return policy would be good, too.

Looks like locast is my only true option. The antenna idea is going to be very iffy, especially with our trees.
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Looks like locast is my only true option. The antenna idea is going to be very iffy, especially with our trees.
Trees/leaves absorb UHF signals, and if you have a thick strand of trees blocking weak signals, that would be a big problem. Back in the day, before the analog to digital switch over in June 2009, I would bet that if you used a deep fringe VHF rooftop antenna at your location, you would have gotten an acceptable picture of 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11 & 13 from NYC and/or 3, 6, 10 & 12 from Philly. Unfortunately, advances in technology sometimes have drawbacks. Good luck.
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Greetings, I just found this thread.

I live in Northern DE, close to the PA border on high ground. For 30yr I have had an attic mounted antenna (VHF/UHF) and am 20 mi LOS from the Roxborough transmitters. Since the digital transition, I have always received rock-solid reception of the networks we are interested in -- 3.1, 6.1, 10.1, 12.1, 17.1, 29.1, 57.1, 61.1.

The problems started about 8 months ago. KYW (3.1), which had always been solid, started randomly breaking up and dropping out in PrimeTime. The signal strength (on the meter) bounces around and is lower than it used to be. Some days it is fine and other days it is unwatchable. It doesn't matter if there are leaves on the trees or they are barren. The same can be said for channel WPPX (61.1). All the other channels continue to be rock solid as they have always been.

I'm mostly concerned about KYW (3.1). After reading the last hundred+ posts here, I'm now wondering if my recent reception problems are directly related to the pending repack of KYW to a new frequency. I see mention of stations using alternate transmitters and reduced power during this transition period while they ready the new transmitters for the switch-over.

Does anyone have a feeling about this for KYW?
Any similar experiences?
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WPPX has been broadcasting at reduced power from a temporary antenna for the past year. They also won't make the deadline and will continue to broadcast at a reduced power until they finish their buildout.


I don't see anything filed about KYW reducing their power on RF 26, however like WPPX they won't make the deadline and will be broadcasting at a reduced power from an alternate site starting on August 1st until they finish their buildout. It might be atmospheric boost/interference from WDVM in Hagerstown causing it, but I don't think you're close enough for it to happen on a regular basis unless the conditions are right enough for it to interact with the Chesapeake bay.

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Thanks. That implies it might get worse for me before it gets better.

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Right now it's just WPPX, KYW, WPSG and WNJS/WNJT who filed for a STA until they finish their post-repack facilities.

WCAU/WWSI already filed a STA to start testing their new RF 28 signal late at night
WPHY/WTVE, who will be moving to Roxborough, says that their post-repack facility is completed as of their 7/15 progress report
WTXF says they are on track as of their 7/10 progress report
WFPA says they are on track as of their 7/9 progress report
WPSJ, who will be moving to Roxborough, says they are on track as of their 5/22 progress report

WHYY/WMCN isn't moving until Phase 9 in Spring 2020
WDPN and WACP already boosted their power
WPVI was recently granted a STA to boost their power, but it hasn't been implemented yet

WPHL/WUVP and WMGM/WGTW aren't moving or boosting their power.
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I haven't been able to pull in WCAU (34) for over a week now up here in Wind Gap PA. Never had issue with it before. No problems with any other Philly Stations. I'm thinking of course it's something to do with the repack, as everything seems fine with my equipment. Anyone else having an issue? I do see they have seem to have a transmitter lower on the tower, perhaps they switched to that while installing the new transmitter?
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They posted on Facebook that the old main antenna has been removed and replaced with the new one for channel 28. My guess is that they're on the lower auxiliary antenna which probably lacks the range of the top-mount.

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They posted on Facebook that the old main antenna has been removed and replaced with the new one for channel 28. My guess is that they're on the lower auxiliary antenna which probably lacks the range of the top-mount.

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Thanks Trip. Makes sense. That antenna is like 700ft lower than the main. That explains my issue out here in the boondocks. I'm looking forward to the changes from the repack, as it looks my reception will benefit from it but until everything is set I'll have to deal with some hiccups. I can pull 28 from Wilkes-Barre for now for NBC, so not a huge issue. Thanks for the help!


Found that facebook post...interesting video of the removal of the old antenna using a helicopter. I suppose there was a guy up there that unhooked the thing...Just don't look down

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WPVI Power Increase

Does anyone know if WPVI channel 6 increased their transmission power from 34 kW to 56 kW?
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Does anyone know if WPVI channel 6 increased their transmission power from 34 kW to 56 kW?
I doubt it - the application is still listed as pending at rabbitears.info and in the FCC data. Don't expect miracles when/if they do, it's only a 2.17dB increase - but every little bit counts, especially on VHF-LOW; I've got one TV that drops out for a few seconds on 6 when I touch buttons on the microwave!
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I doubt it - the application is still listed as pending at rabbitears.info and in the FCC data.
The application to make it permanent is still pending, but the STA to go live from that facility was granted back in June.

I haven't noticed any improvement here in the Poconos like I did with WDPN when they boosted their power, so I don't think they are there yet. It's also going to be the same tower that WPPX moved to, and according to WPPX's latest progress report work is still being done on that tower. It's a lot more than just a boost in power like WACP's and WDPN's, it's also from a different tower with a higher antenna. (1325 ft above sea level vs their current 1295 ft, with a 79.3 mile contour vs their current 74.9 mile contour)


Speaking of progress, bad news and good news about WTXF. They are essentially done, but there's a problem with the mask filter so they have to operate at a reduced power until the manufacturer fixes it. However that reduced power STA is still greater than their current pre-repack power and contour. Pre-repack is 620 kW (56 miles), post-repack is 1000 kW (62.9 miles), the reduced power STA is for 777 kW (61.5 miles).

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WCAU and KYW are airing ads telling people to rescan after August 1.
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Yep, already mentioned a few pages ago. The big move for Philly is August 1st at 1pm as part of a massive coordinated game of musical chairs involving stations from down in DC all the way up to New England switching at exactly the same time.
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Speaking of musical chairs... this seems like a bit of a silly question, but I imagine there must be a logical answer...
If WCAU is moving from 34 to 28 so that WPPX can move from 31 to 34 so that WTXF can move from 42 to 31... then why didn’t WTXF just move from 42 to 28 in which case the other two wouldn’t have had to move at all?
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Because each TV station had a unique coverage area and pre-existing interference that needed to be considered, and other markets surrounding Philadelphia factor into things as well.

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I'm getting a lot of signal breakup. I guess everyone reduced transmitter power preparing for the switch.
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How's it looking? Can anyone confirm that WPHY-CD, WQAV-CD, WPSJ-CD, WPPX, and/or WFPA-CD have made their moves? I've confirmed the others.

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How's it looking? Can anyone confirm that WPHY-CD, WQAV-CD, WPSJ-CD, WPPX, and/or WFPA-CD have made their moves? I've confirmed the others.

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WPPX is totally MIA, not (obviously) on 31 any more, but also not on 34.
WTXF is newly on 31, but shows up also as 42.3, 42,4, 42.5, and 42.6 (I'll be hiding those along with junk channels).
I suppose when WPPX gets their act together, I'll only need to do Add Digital Channels, not a full rescan.


In summary, it looks like WPPX forgot to turn on 34, and WTXF forgot to turn off 42.

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How's it looking? Can anyone confirm that WPHY-CD, WQAV-CD, WPSJ-CD, WPPX, and/or WFPA-CD have made their moves? I've confirmed the others.

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I also don't see WPPX activity on 34, but haven't seen it on 31 for long time up here. WTXF is strong on 31 and WCAU is strong on 28. I have lost KYW completely.
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Thanks, all. Sounds like WPPX is off, as it has been all day. Not sure what to make of WTXF still having 42 on.

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WPPX just showed up on 34, better late than never, I suppose.
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Thanks, all. Sounds like WPPX is off, as it has been all day. Not sure what to make of WTXF still having 42 on.

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