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post #12631 of 13328 Old 02-25-2017, 10:38 PM
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I have contacted Weigel Broadcasting about this and the reply I received stated that they are aware of the issue and working with the FCC for a resolution. I never had any problem receiving WMEU before this. From what I have been able to find out this station is officially called WSPY-LD licensed to LaSalle. If licensed to LaSalle, why broadcast from Plano right behind my home? And, why is this station mapping to 32.257 with horrid audio? Oh I bet I know, so Mr. Nelson can receive tower rental money.
I didn’t know WMEU was being blocked by that station over there. The FCC should never have allowed that station on 32 IMO. Worse yet, it looks like they are called Youtoo America while blocking the Chicago YouToo UToo. Can you believe that?

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I didn’t know WMEU was being blocked by that station over there. The FCC should never have allowed that station on 32 IMO. Worse yet, it looks like they are called Youtoo America while blocking the Chicago YouToo. Can you believe that?
Well, it certainly is blocking WMEU here and to the towns west of here. The folks at Weigel Broadcasting also say this station should have never been allowed on this frequency this close to Chicago. According to the folks at Weigel the station was first granted permission to broadcast from a tower further west of here but then they somehow sneaked in permission to broadcast from the current WSPY-FM tower in Plano which the FCC also approved. Supposedly the station (WSPY-LD which IDs itself as WLPD-CD at the top of the hour breaks) maps to 31.1 but it maps to 32.257 on all tvs with horrid audio. Isn't it ironic, TheUTOO being blocked by Youtoo America? I hope to hear more information from the folks at Weigel in the future.

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If you want to watch Comet TV that is on WOCH, but can't pick it up, I found out there is a Roku app that just plays the broadcast feed. No login required.
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If you want to watch Comet TV that is on WOCH, but can't pick it up, I found out there is a Roku app that just plays the broadcast feed. No login required.
I was looking at the EPG guide in Windows Media Center & just noticed Comet on channel 3.3. I could not receive it & the message said to check my antenna. Either I need to re-scan or the station is too weak.

Since I never heard of Comet I Googled it and it's supposedly on 41.2. My EPG says no data for 41.2 and again I get no signal. TVGuide online shows it on 3.3 and Zap2it doesn't list Comet at either frequency.

What channel is Comet really on? I'd like to know before I re-scan & add all kinds of channels that I have to delete.
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What channel is Comet really on? I'd like to know before I re-scan & add all kinds of channels that I have to delete.
According to rabbitears.info, Comet is carried on the 2nd subchannel of WOCH-CD which operates on real channel 49, virtual channel 41.

Channel 3.3? There is no virtual channel 3 in Chicago. Sounds like a guide error.
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I was wondering if Channel 3 was some sort of low power station that filled in. somehow.
That being said ever since Rovi took over the EPG for WMC it has never been 100% correct.
I wonder where TVGuide gets it data from?
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There is not now, nor never has been a channel 3, analog or digital, in Chicago.

The parentage of where guide data originates changed hands a few times several years ago, I didn't keep track of the ownership changes. There are a couple of guys around who are up to date on it.
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WBBM was on channel 3 during the DTV transition. But it mapped to 2-1.

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I was wondering if Channel 3 was some sort of low power station that filled in. somehow.
That being said ever since Rovi took over the EPG for WMC it has never been 100% correct.
I wonder where TVGuide gets it data from?
That channel 3 shown is WWMT, which is based in the Kalamazoo/Grand Rapids/Battle Creek areas of Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWMT
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WBBM was on channel 3 during the DTV transition. But it mapped to 2-1.

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Doh! You are correct, forgot about that fiasco.
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I talked to the engineer from WFLD, really nice guy. Didn't understand some of what he said, but basically it's a problem going from 5.1 of the show to stereo. Said equipment (out information on equipment) is needed from CW to fix it. So called CW main line and told them what he told me. She made a note and was going to try and get it to someone.

So please call the main CW line (818-977-2500) and tell them you're having sound issues in the Chicago area. And the local station needs help from CW to help fix.
Went to the Facebook page for WPWR and they are aware of the issue, "WPWR's broadcast signal is not 5.1 capable, at present. Keep your fingers crossed, the higher-ups are aware of the need for an upgrade." So it sounds like a money issue, if enough people call the number, we may hear them fix it. Hopefully it's not fixing the stereo signal, but allowing 5.1.

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Went to the Facebook page for WPWR and they are aware of the issue, "WPWR's broadcast signal is not 5.1 capable, at present. Keep your fingers crossed, the higher-ups are aware of the need for an upgrade." So it sounds like a money issue, if enough people call the number, we may hear them fix it. Hopefully it's not fixing the stereo signal, but allowing 5.1.
It sounds like the issue is that their multiplexer or whatever has a nasty AVL or something causing digital clipping. Just because it's stereo doesn't mean it should sound so bad.
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Went to the Facebook page for WPWR and they are aware of the issue, "WPWR's broadcast signal is not 5.1 capable, at present. Keep your fingers crossed, the higher-ups are aware of the need for an upgrade." So it sounds like a money issue, if enough people call the number, we may hear them fix it. Hopefully it's not fixing the stereo signal, but allowing 5.1.
Hmm, where's their Facebook page? Can't find it.
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Hmm, where's their Facebook page? Can't find it.
would also like to find the page to post to it if possible
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Hmm, where's their Facebook page? Can't find it.

https://www.facebook.com/CW50Chicago/

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I saw that one, but didn't see a post or any mention of the 5.1 issues.
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I saw that one, but didn't see a post or any mention of the 5.1 issues.
The conversations are under visitors posts - you have to look to the side of the page.
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Noticed some weirdness with WOCH. I am able to pick it up, and 41.1 is Comet. It's 4:3, but the video is anamorphic. 41.2 just gives "Signal cannot be decoded". According to info, 41.1 is supposed to be Charge!, and 41.2 is Comet. The info for 41.1 is also really bizarre.
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Read that the 600MHz auction has completed. Any info about how this will affect Chicago? There are a lot of big stations on RF36-52. Is there enough room to squish into 14-35? How many may be forced down into VHF?

So far, the following will need to move: WLS (RF44), WTTW (47), WWME (39), WCPX (43), WESV (40), WSNS (45), WPWR (51), WXFT (50), WOCH (49).
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How many may be forced down into VHF?
Fortunately, nothing is being moved to VHF in Chicago.
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Read that the 600MHz auction has completed. Any info about how this will affect Chicago?
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Thanks for the information, Trip!
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Very tight. Not sure if any of those open spots (14-16, 29-31) are actually available or blocked due to nearby cities. Several major stations still locked out.

Is there a timeline for the changeover?
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Based on the channel repackaging, WHNW-LD will be knocked off the air. It had been rumored that LeSea Broadcasting would shut off this LPTV station, due to low viewership. This repackaging will guarantee it.

To Bryan Cannon at the moment, nothing's being moved to VHF. There are 5 stations that don't have a new channel yet. Unless they share a channel (could happen if ATSC 3.0 is approved) some stations might have to go to VHF.
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I could see Fox moving the CW to a subchannel on WFLD if WPWR shuts off.
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Very tight. Not sure if any of those open spots (14-16, 29-31) are actually available or blocked due to nearby cities. Several major stations still locked out.
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To Bryan Cannon at the moment, nothing's being moved to VHF. There are 5 stations that don't have a new channel yet. Unless they share a channel (could happen if ATSC 3.0 is approved) some stations might have to go to VHF.
I don't understand these comments. If a station is assigned to channel 0, it accepted a legally binding bid to go off the air, whether to channel share or not. Moving to VHF is not an option for those stations at any time. Do you mean something else?

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It's phase-specific. Find your stations' phase numbers and check it against the table half-way down the page here: http://www.commlawcenter.com/2017/04...deadlines.html

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Thanks so much, Trip.

Weren't WOCH and WOCK related at one time? WOCH, losing RF49, might be sharing RF4 with WOCK.

I've seen reports quoted in other threads that WSNS is joining WMAQ on RF33.

WBBM's RF26 repeater (is that the right use of "repeater"?) seems to be vanishing, but they might still have their simulcast on WMEU (moving to RF18).

WXFT, I suppose, is joining WGBO's RF35 signal, as well as WPWR going in with WFLD on RF24.

WYCC? No idea where it's headed, only that WJYS is bumping it from RF21.

WWTO? WCHU? WESV? WRJK? W25DW? No idea. Any or all of those might already be off the air for all I know, since I can rarely if ever receive them.

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It's phase-specific. Find your stations' phase numbers and check it against the table half-way down the page here: http://www.commlawcenter.com/2017/04...deadlines.html- Trip
Thanks. It looks like we are mostly Phase 6 and 8, which is not until late 2019 and 2020. I read that T-Mobile said they would start using their bandwidth later this year, but I'm guessing that may only be in areas where there are already open frequencies.

What are the consequences, legal and otherwise, if a station decides to stop broadcasting and just go cable/satellite/streaming?

With WPWR possibly going off-air, I wonder if that's why they are not bothering to fix the audio issues on 50.1.

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If they give up their over-the-air license, they lose must-carry on cable, which may not matter if you're using retransmission consent. But even then, many programming rights are sold for broadcast only, meaning they would have to go back and renegotiate for cable-only or streaming rights.

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Thanks so much, Trip.

Weren't WOCH and WOCK related at one time? WOCH, losing RF49, might be sharing RF4 with WOCK.

I've seen reports quoted in other threads that WSNS is joining WMAQ on RF33.

WBBM's RF26 repeater (is that the right use of "repeater"?) seems to be vanishing, but they might still have their simulcast on WMEU (moving to RF18).

WXFT, I suppose, is joining WGBO's RF35 signal, as well as WPWR going in with WFLD on RF24.

WYCC? No idea where it's headed, only that WJYS is bumping it from RF21.

WWTO? WCHU? WESV? WRJK? W25DW? No idea. Any or all of those might already be off the air for all I know, since I can rarely if ever receive them.
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