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Anybody know more precisely when WCIU will be up on their final post-repack equipment? Right now I'm getting everything I used to get, aside from WRJK (understood) and WCIU at signal levels of 90 or better. WCIU is about 65 and choppy in all but perfect weather. I'm in Yorkville, so I'm 45+ miles out but have a good attic-mounted antenna and a preamp.
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Could all of this transmitter changes be affecting some radio stations? I generally listen to WXRT, and it seems to be a bit weaker, as I have been having issues getting it in clean stereo here the past few weeks. I think they transmit from the Hancock tower.
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Trip's Inverness, IL bandscanner is picking up a decent signal on rf channel 30, and the error rate is good...yet there is no call sign as to what that is. I tried to tune in channel 30 tonight, but couldn't get a signal 40 miles away. No out-of-market signals are currently coming in...I'm curious as to what that is.

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I made a few changes to the antenna system the other day and you'll see that in the bandscan link. I tried a HD-7696 and ended up going back to the CM-2020. I also use a AP-8700 preamp. The antenna is in the attic. This night of experimentation confirmed a suspicion I had a long time ago about the 300 to 75 ohm balun. If you have one of those channel master baluns with the leads that don't have a fixed distance (i.e two diverging wires from the plastic housing) between them THROW IT OUT! I found an older RCA balun with the standard short 300 ohm transmission line to the balun housing and it works at least 3-4 dB better. It's not terribly much but it really matters for stuff that is barely decodable. Also, strangely enough it dramatically improved the WTTW reception. I'm guessing that impedance mismatch with the leads kind of spread out to "about" the distance for 300 ohms was not good enough, especially at RF25.

As you can see, I had to decide whether to get WRJK or WYIN and I chose WRJK. WRJK is just above the decoding limit.... and yes, their signal really sucks. They won't cut it as a legitimate broadcaster if they don't get a power increase. If they can go to 1kW that would help immensely. As it is, the directional signal really does no favors for the North Shore or those in the northern suburbs. Their UHF signal was significantly better.

Now, I also found some good data from http://dennysantennaservice.com/hd_s...enna-html.html. There is a link in there with a table comparing his stacker antenna to the one I use and several others and his is much better. I would go ahead and purchase one if you are considering a new outdoor or attic antenna.

Use the rabbitears.info site and Google Earth Pro. Draw a line from your house to the transmitter and get your precise bearing from that. What you'll find is you may have to deviate on that slightly depending on avoiding nearby lossy/reflective objects.

I know the temptation is to buy some cheap and cute antenna from Best Buy or Walmart but don't take the bait. Spend a hundred bucks, if you can, and get something respectable. Also, look at the specs on the preamps and don't buy something that does not have good overload signal protection (meaning amplifiers with a higher 1 dB compression point) and a low noise figure. The Winegards have been pretty good about that. The ChannelMasters not as much. I guess I am partial to the Channel master antennas and the Winegard amps though that stacker antenna may displace the Channel master from what I have read.
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My new antenna is going up this weekend. This is about 8 ft long. https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=hdb91x
The Winegard HD8800 8bay is UHF only and not good enough anymore.
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Could all of this transmitter changes be affecting some radio stations? I generally listen to WXRT, and it seems to be a bit weaker, as I have been having issues getting it in clean stereo here the past few weeks. I think they transmit from the Hancock tower.
Nope. They are at full power. And specifically, a quick FCC check shows no STA (special temporary authority) for WXRT.

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I made a few changes to the antenna system the other day and you'll see that in the bandscan link. I tried a HD-7696 and ended up going back to the CM-2020. I also use a AP-8700 preamp. The antenna is in the attic. This night of experimentation confirmed a suspicion I had a long time ago about the 300 to 75 ohm balun. If you have one of those channel master baluns with the leads that don't have a fixed distance (i.e two diverging wires from the plastic housing) between them THROW IT OUT! I found an older RCA balun with the standard short 300 ohm transmission line to the balun housing and it works at least 3-4 dB better. It's not terribly much but it really matters for stuff that is barely decodable. Also, strangely enough it dramatically improved the WTTW reception. I'm guessing that impedance mismatch with the leads kind of spread out to "about" the distance for 300 ohms was not good enough, especially at RF25.

As you can see, I had to decide whether to get WRJK or WYIN and I chose WRJK. WRJK is just above the decoding limit.... and yes, their signal really sucks. They won't cut it as a legitimate broadcaster if they don't get a power increase. If they can go to 1kW that would help immensely. As it is, the directional signal really does no favors for the North Shore or those in the northern suburbs. Their UHF signal was significantly better.

Now, I also found some good data from http://dennysantennaservice.com/hd_s...enna-html.html. There is a link in there with a table comparing his stacker antenna to the one I use and several others and his is much better. I would go ahead and purchase one if you are considering a new outdoor or attic antenna.

Use the rabbitears.info site and Google Earth Pro. Draw a line from your house to the transmitter and get your precise bearing from that. What you'll find is you may have to deviate on that slightly depending on avoiding nearby lossy/reflective objects.

I know the temptation is to buy some cheap and cute antenna from Best Buy or Walmart but don't take the bait. Spend a hundred bucks, if you can, and get something respectable. Also, look at the specs on the preamps and don't buy something that does not have good overload signal protection (meaning amplifiers with a higher 1 dB compression point) and a low noise figure. The Winegards have been pretty good about that. The ChannelMasters not as much. I guess I am partial to the Channel master antennas and the Winegard amps though that stacker antenna may displace the Channel master from what I have read.
Thanks for doing that, and this is a gret post. Spend the money, rather than the hassle and time, to get a great antenna. You'll be glad you did. It will cut down on reception issues and multipath.

It's funny that your channel 5 is just below lock level. That's a station up in Milwaukee. I bet if you turned your antenna north-northwest, you'd lock it! Anyway, WYIN is locking for you this evening, so all is not lost!
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Would anyone have any updated information as to the current and future status of this low power station? I really miss my Retro TV.



Thank you in advance for your time.
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Would anyone have any updated information as to the current and future status of this low power station? I really miss my Retro TV.

Thank you in advance for your time.
It looks like they have decided to concentrate on the immediate south suburbs only when they go back on the air (if they are not already). Their coverage pattern is really tight and doesn't go far. What a joke.


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Thank you for your prompt response.
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Both WEDE and WISN in Milwaukee moved from RF 34 to RF 28, so the need to protect WISN to the north isn't anything new, this was their pre-repack coverage area on RF 34:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....a&cir=&circen=

On RF 28, they now also have to protect WYZZ in Bloomington to the southwest, so WEDE couldn't expand their signal any further during the maximization window like other stations did:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....a&cir=&circen=

Like many of the other Willis tower stations, they have a STA with reduced coverage from an alternate antenna while they replace their pre-repack antenna:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....4&site=1&map=Y
Since this is a temporary antenna where they weren't able to implement their custom signal pattern, they had to have something highly directional that would let them cover Chicago, but not interfere with WISN or WYZZ.

The CP for their final signal has the same custom pattern as their pre-repack signal, so if you were getting it pre-repack, you should be able to get it again when they finish the work:
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Thanks for your comprehensive explanation of Chicago's Retro TV station. I really appreciate your time and I look forward to when it's back on the air!
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I am 68 miles from the Chicago stations. Ever since the repack, I have been having reception problems. Slight to moderate pixelation, and audio glitches. I tried everything. Cleaning all my cable connections, climbing the tower to mess with the cartridge on my antenna, (a Winegard HD 8200U), etc. It seems that my pre-amp was going bad. I bought a new Wingard Boost XT. Climbed the tower one more time to install it, and now everything seems to be good. All my favorite channels have been solid. Including Channel 2.1 My old pre-amp was installed in 2004, so I guess it was time for an update. I can only hope the new one lasts as long as the old one did!
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For those of you in the far northwest and west suburbs of Chicago: the channel repack rolls on! At 9:30 AM CT in Rockford on Monday, November 18, WIFR-LD channel 23.(1-4) physically moves from channel 41 to channel 28. Thus, you'll need to rescan your TV once it comes back on the air shortly thereafter if you have a TV antenna, to continue to receive it. The virtual channels you see on your TV (23.1, 23.2, 23.3, and 23.4) remain unchanged.

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anyone north of Chicago having problems with nbc 5.1 after the repack? I get everything including cbs abc fox32 wgn all full signal but 5.1 is either just there and breaking up or gone to sometimes I get almost a full signal?
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anyone north of Chicago having problems with nbc 5.1 after the repack? I get everything including cbs abc fox32 wgn all full signal but 5.1 is either just there and breaking up or gone to sometimes I get almost a full signal?
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I bet I know. Per Kyle Walker, Chief Engineer of Weigel Broadcasting (username tvmicrowave) in his post-repack authoritative statement on the previous page:

"Ch 33 - WMAQ 5 (and channel share WSNS 44) They are operating temporarily from the Hancock Tower. The main will be located at the Willis Tower but will not be ready until 2020."

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I bet I know. Per Kyle Walker, Chief Engineer of Weigel Broadcasting (username tvmicrowave) in his post-repack authoritative statement on the previous page:

"Ch 33 - WMAQ 5 (and channel share WSNS 44) They are operating temporarily from the Hancock Tower. The main will be located at the Willis Tower but will not be ready until 2020."

that makes sense now. I was thinking it was the antenna or something else on my end. I will just wait then.
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Hi,


I am returning to OTA after a few years on cable. I live in Itasca, which is NW of Chicago. Here's my tvfool link


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Based on the analysis, the stations (the one that matter any way) are in a single direction at about 110 degree.. I should use a directional antenna. A few years ago, I used a DB2 on the ground floor indoor and managed to get most of the channel except for CBS. The current plan is to install a tuner in the upstairs closet. This will allow me to use a reasonable antenna and still hide it from view.


The biggest issue is the channel CBS. It appears to be broadcasting VHF-High, which is hard to get using most indoor antennas or even the DB2. Now it appears we also have a channel 26, but it's much weaker. I am wondering what people are using for indoor antenna in the Northwestern suburb area and if you are getting CBS.


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I am returning to OTA after a few years on cable. I live in Itasca, which is NW of Chicago. Here's my tvfool link


http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...9038994b69ea79


Based on the analysis, the stations (the one that matter any way) are in a single direction at about 110 degree.. I should use a directional antenna. A few years ago, I used a DB2 on the ground floor indoor and managed to get most of the channel except for CBS. The current plan is to install a tuner in the upstairs closet. This will allow me to use a reasonable antenna and still hide it from view.


The biggest issue is the channel CBS. It appears to be broadcasting VHF-High, which is hard to get using most indoor antennas or even the DB2. Now it appears we also have a channel 26, but it's much weaker. I am wondering what people are using for indoor antenna in the Northwestern suburb area and if you are getting CBS.


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CBS-2 is also carried on Channel 48-3, which is a UHF. It might be easier to use this "2" instead of installing a VHF antenna for just one channel.
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Does anyone about what has happened to the video portion of WRME-LP's signal (channel 6) The video portion has been missing for several days (screen indicates that they're "waiting for network input").


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CBS-2 is also carried on Channel 48-3, which is a UHF. It might be easier to use this "2" instead of installing a VHF antenna for just one channel.
I would agree with Mike here, but I don't know how long that channel agreement would last. If you used a db-8, you'd get WBBM. If you used a DB-2, you'd get WBBM on channel 48. I like to get more antenna than I need because of weather conditions can knock out stations, even at 20 miles out.

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Rather than posting this in all the other Chicago TV provider forums, I'm just posting it here...since it's actually tied to Nexstar's purchase of WGN-TV:


BREAKING! Nexstar Shutting Down CLTV in Chicago
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This is unfortunate but I wonder if they would have done better had they not been a Comcast only station. I contacted them a couple times over the years asking if they would simulcast CLTV on 9.2 or something like that. Personally, I would find that far more useful than reruns of a sitcom from 10 or 15 years ago.
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This is unfortunate but I wonder if they would have done better had they not been a Comcast only station.

They are also on RCN - but to your point, if they had put it as an OTA subchannel, they definitely would get more eyeballs...
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They are also on RCN - but to your point, if they had put it as an OTA subchannel, they definitely would get more eyeballs...
No Web site, little if any social media presence, little promotion....what did they expect? And as for the "it can't work in today's world"...tell that to CBS, who is about to launch CBSN-Chicago early next year...over the air, strreaming, website, and social media included.
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Hi, I'm new to this forum and a novice with antennas. I'm in DeKalb, I moved here from downtown Chicago (Loop). OTA was so easy in Chicago, all I needed was an unamplified leaf antenna, now I have to work harder. I'm finding this forum incredibly useful and I'm making my way through all of the comments and learning so much. Thanks to everyone who comments here, I'm also utilizing other web sites like tvfool and rabbitears.

Until I can hook up something better I'm living with a bowtie antenna in my bedroom. I started out with a small 2-bay bowtie placed in an east-facing window hooked to a Motorola amplifier. On good days was able to pull in 24 channels, WTVO-17 (Rockford) and WFLD-32 being the best. But some days I could only get 15 or even fewer, and a couple of times none at all. I decided to buy a larger 4-bay bowtie. It didn't do much better in the window but I found out by accident that it works quite well against the wall directly adjacent to the window. I have a brick home with plaster walls (wood lath), I assumed brick would inhibit the signals but I guess not entirely.

What I find odd though is that I get different channels with the antenna against the wall than in the window. The two positions are no more than a foot apart and both face east. Through the window I get WTVO-17 (Rockford), WFLD-32/WPWR-50, WMAQ-5/WXFT-44, WCPX-38, WGBO-66, and WQRF-39. Through the wall I get WLS-7/WXFT-60, WCIU-26, WFLD-32/WPWR-50, and WTTW-11/WYCC-20 (not entirely reliably). Only WFLD-32/WPWR-50 are in common. It bugs me that I can't get WLS-7/WXFT-60 through the window, it seems like I should be able to, that's a pretty high-powered station I think. And where is WGN-9? I can't get that in either position.

I tried using both antennas at the same time joined with a Channel Master Jointenna, but it was way worse, I think I got only one channel then. I might try again later.

Eventually I'll have a better setup, probably an outdoor antenna, but I find my current situation rather intriguing and I'm having fun experimenting and learning. I'm amazed what I can receive using an indoor antenna considering I'm 60 miles from Chicago. Right now as I write this comment I'm getting excellent reception, some of the channels are so crisp they're almost painful to watch.

Thanks again for all of the great info here. I'll definitely be lurking here if I'm not commenting.
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sebenste, I was just re-reading comments going backward from today and came across a recent suggestion of yours that someone install an A-B switch. If I can't get my Jointenna to work I think a switch would be great ... execpt I don't know how to do a scan then unless I flip the switch at whatever % in the scan progress is appropriate. I did find that the channels I'm missing with my new wall antenna position are the higher frequencies starting with WMAQ-5 so once I reach the point in the scan when I need to switch at least I won't need to switch back.
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sebenste, I was just re-reading comments going backward from today and came across a recent suggestion of yours that someone install an A-B switch. If I can't get my Jointenna to work I think a switch would be great ... execpt I don't know how to do a scan then unless I flip the switch at whatever % in the scan progress is appropriate. I did find that the channels I'm missing with my new wall antenna position are the higher frequencies starting with WMAQ-5 so once I reach the point in the scan when I need to switch at least I won't need to switch back.
ChipsDK,

Some TV's let you do a partial channel scan, and you can choose a range of channels to scan for, and it won't erase the others. That's what I had to do with mine. I can't get WREX-TV in Rockford without flipping to a separate VHF-HI/UHF antenna at Rockford. I scanned all my Chicago stations in, flipped to the "B" antenna, and then rescanned just for channel 13....start scanning with channel 13, end with channel 13. When I did that, I got that added to my lineup.
That way you don't have to rescan every time you flip to the second antenna.

If you don't have that option, then, unfortunately, you may have to do what you suggested.

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Some TV's let you do a partial channel scan, and you can choose a range of channels to scan for, and it won't erase the others. That's what I had to do with mine. I can't get WREX-TV in Rockford without flipping to a separate VHF-HI/UHF antenna at Rockford. I scanned all my Chicago stations in, flipped to the "B" antenna, and then rescanned just for channel 13....start scanning with channel 13, end with channel 13. When I did that, I got that added to my lineup.
That way you don't have to rescan every time you flip to the second antenna.

If you don't have that option, then, unfortunately, you may have to do what you suggested.
I'm using an old 2011 Philips TV, one of three I had bought for my Chicago condo when Comcast went all-digital. Still nice TVs, full 1080p, but surely don't have all of the features newer TVs have. The scan just shows percentage completed and number of channels received. Scanning for dummies. After doing so many scans I know which channels are being locked in at which percentages. It would be nice if the scanning function showed the RF channel numbers and allowed me to pause! If some new TVs offer that, that's great, when I decide to buy new TVs I'll definitely look for that feature. I don't foresee ever returning to Comcast for TV as long as OTA is an option. I wish there were OTA internet.

I woke up super early this morning and reception seemed to be quite excellent so I re-scanned. Now I'm getting 41 channels including WMAQ-5/WSNS-44 and oddball WJYS-62 (bizarre stuff there, I don't recall ever watching it in Chicago) which I could not pull in last night. Even WTTW-11/WYCC-20 are coming in phenomenally crisp and clear this morning, I know I'm on the periphery of that coverage so I'm amazed that I'm picking it up at all. The 4-bay bowtie antenna isn't very pretty sitting on a nightstand but it's working really well. I'm looking forward to the day when I can set up an attic or outdoor antenna!
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My50? How about My59?

Hey everyone,

A member of the Peoria group has confirmed through the station switchboard operator that WAOE-59 in Peoria, a MNTV affiliate, will move from a tower near Peoria to WWTO-TV's old tower just southeast of Starved Rock State park near Utica, IL on January 17, 2020. The old channel 10 antenna on top of that tower will come alive again!

Right now, the station is broadcasting at 26 kw at 567.5' near Peoria, making it difficult to pick up. Having said that, at its new home, it will put a grade "A" signal just barely into Bloomington and Peoria at 1325' above the ground, and 24 kilowatts on channel 10.

https://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/t...2=&EW=W&size=9

So, what does that have to do with this market? At that power level, people from Rochelle to DeKalb to Naperville to Joliet with VHF antennas pointed towards the tower got WWTO. Granted, I suspect that a literal handful of people will want to see this in our market, along with those who get it accidentally on a rescan or via tropospheric ducting. But because of the location and height, the signal punches into parts of 5 markets: Peoria-Bloomington, a small part of Champaign-Springfield, Rockford, Quad Cities, and a fair chunk of the Chicago market, by using the FCC predicted 36 dBu contour (and all the forecast imperfections it implies).

I was thinking of taking down my attic antenna which points south, but this changes that plan. Anyway, see if you can get it when it signs on. I think I might have caught them testing last week, as I got a fair signal from a channel 10 with my antenna pointed to Chicago. I thought it was tropo, and I couldn't lock it, and in a few hours, it was gone despite no weather change. Anyway, FWIW, something to keep an eye out for. This market will soon have two MNTV stations!

Edit: One has to wonder if they would simulcast their ABC affiliate, WHOI-TV, on a subchannel. I will guess that they purchased new encoders for the station (the old one that WWTO had there broke, and they dumped all their subchannels and went standard def on TBN before moving to the College of DuPage's WDCB tower at low power). THAT would be even more interesting, and with modern encoders, they could have excellent picture quality, even with a 720p humming along on their main channel.

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Once again early Sunday morning was a good time to scan. Now I'm up to 49 channels, and for the first time I was able to lock WGN. I was actually up to 53 channels, I locked WMEU but when I tried to watch it there was no signal, and when I rescanned a few minutes later it was gone. But just like last weekend, after a great morning being able to watch all of my locked channels everything degraded and by mid-afternoon many were no longer watchable. This evening I can only watch 14 channels. Signal strengths have dropped considerably. Early this morning my best channels were >70%, now they are around 45%, and the other channels went from 20-30% to zero. The same thing happened last weekend. What's so special about Sunday morning?

At this point I'm not really interested in getting more channels, just better reception. Is it possible to improve reception of an antenna placed in a 2nd floor bedroom in a house 60+ miles from Chicago? I'm using a generic Chinese-made 4-bay bowtie, maybe a better brand of antenna would result in an improvement? Or a bigger antenna? Is the ClearStream 2MAX or 4MAX any better than a bowtie? I've ruled out the LPDA type because I won't be able to mount it properly. I need a vertical antenna that I can prop on a piece of furniture up against a wall.

I have a question about amps if anyone cares to answer: I'm using a Motorola BDA-K4-RA distribution amp (4 outputs) that I had bought years ago to split a weak Comast feed. Right now I'm only using one output, the other three are capped with the recommended 75 Ohm terminators. The specs printed on the amp say +7.5 dB for 54-1000 MHz, I'm assuming that's per output when all outputs are in use. If I'm only using one output and the other three are capped off, is the gain higher than +7.5 dB, like maybe +15 dB? Even if it's +15 dB, do you think it might be worth trying an even more powerful amp? Or is it obvious to anyone that additional amplification isn't going to help and my problem lies elsewhere?

I just realized, I think I have another one of these Motorola amps, or I can use the crappy amp that came with the antenna. I see no reason why I can't feed one into the other just to see what happens. I'd better use the crappy amp. Time for another experiment.
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