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post #13291 of 13328 Old 05-19-2020, 03:25 PM - Thread Starter
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Yes & understand...that's why I said WBBM came back on during primetime...as I made sure to note I was seeing Chicago commercials/ID's again.
Since my D* receiver is on native P/T, I even checked & the resolution coming out (still) showed 1080i - but it sure as hell didn't look it!
Glad my suspicions were correct...& that my eyes (&/or brain) weren't going crazy!
LOL! Cool, thanks. Come on, WTTW, you can do this, get an agreement with someone!

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WCIU filed an emergency STA to operate from the Hancock tower yesterday:
https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...90eae&goBack=N

According to the live scan, it returned to air from that site late last night:
https://rabbitears.info/tvdx/signal_...tuner3/WCIU-TV

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Due to a recent extreme rain event and subsequent flooding, the Willis Tower lower levels were flooded yesterday, which resulted in a power loss for the entire building. The WCIU-TV broadcast transmission facility on Willis Tower rooftop is off-the-air due to the loss of power. It is unknown when the flooding and damage to the Willis Tower can be remedied to the extent that power can be restored.
Articles from yesterday morning said they were still pumping out the basement and ComEd hasn't been able to access the vault containing the substation to assess the damage.
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WCIU filed an emergency STA to operate from the Hancock tower yesterday:
https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...90eae&goBack=N

According to the live scan, it returned to air from that site late last night:
https://rabbitears.info/tvdx/signal_...tuner3/WCIU-TV

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Articles from yesterday morning said they were still pumping out the basement and ComEd hasn't been able to access the vault containing the substation to assess the damage.
I can confirm that WCIU has a very very weak signal - my tv is locking between 10-20% signal, but it is just a black screen. The second 26-1 that was on WGBO frequency now redirects back to 66-1, so it appears that it is no longer on that channel.
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I can confirm that WCIU has a very very weak signal - my tv is locking between 10-20% signal, but it is just a black screen. The second 26-1 that was on WGBO frequency now redirects back to 66-1, so it appears that it is no longer on that channel.
I'm still seeing WCIU on 66.6. I can't get 26.1 out in DeKalb because of WFBN in Rockford, on the same channel, interfering.

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The Emergency STA is only for 15 kW, so it reaches a limited area:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....e&site=1&map=Y
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The Emergency STA is only for 15 kW, so it reaches a limited area:
https://www.rabbitears.info/contour....e&site=1&map=Y
That would explain it - I am in the red to orange area of that map, with spots of white all around.

I didn't see that it was on 66-6 now. The 26-1 that was mapped last night is gone and jumped straight to 66-1, didn't even think to look at the rest of the subchannels.
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Both of these are true. 32-4 still shows Light TV in the programming guide but it is CBS 2. 26-1 now says WCIU and the programming guide says "Service Courtesy of WGBO", 480i, and the WGBO frequency.
Hey that explains why I was able to watch Chicago CBS news this morning on 32-4. Normally I don't ever see CBS because I can't pull in WBBM or that other one that rebroadcasts, WMEU I think.
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DirecTV remaped 11 WTTW to the national PBS feed
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Hey everyone,

The second post in this thread has been updated, listing all of the channels, whether or not they're HD, or have 5.1 DD sound. If you see any misteaks, erors or prahblems, please let me know. Thanks!
On the channel list in the second post, 7-2 is now Localish.
Also, what about WWTO?

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Getting one of my lost South Bend stations, thanks to WTTW!

My Stevensville MI conflicting real frequency 25, 30, and 35 channels from South Bend and Chicago following October 2019 repack (now normally unreceivable, but all were receivable before the repack)

Chicago area
WTTW, display 11, real channel 25
WDCI, display 57, real channel 30
WGBO, display 66, real channel 35

South Bend area
WCWW, display 25, real channel 25
WSJV, display 28, real channel 30
WBND, display 57, real channel 35

A shame, because I don't care much about the three Chicago stations above, but would really like the three South Bend stations to get reception. Alas, now all six a normally are now, following the October 2019 repack, a "no go".

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Now, having just re-scanned, I'm at least getting South Bend's WCWW 25 (RF 25) again at full strength instead of "no signal", because WTTW is still down!
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On the channel list in the second post, 7-2 is now Localish.
Also, what about WWTO?
I didn't change the callsign when WLPD stopped transmitting TBN and simulcast WSPY-LD. Also, based on Trip's database, the channel lineup was updated.
And, Localish it is. Thanks for the updates!

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As of 11:50AM today, channels 2, 11, 26, 38, etc... are back OTA, on their proper "channels". Hooray!

Hopefully, it isn't some sort of temporary fix. Stay tuned, only time will tell.

A special thanks goes out to those stations that made room on their sub-channels, for those stations that were unfortunately displaced.
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As of 11:50AM today, channels 2, 11, 26, 38, etc... are back OTA, on their proper "channels". Hooray!

Hopefully, it isn't some sort of temporary fix. Stay tuned, only time will tell.

A special thanks goes out to those stations that made room on their sub-channels, for those stations that were unfortunately displaced.
It looks like they stations aren't full power. For example, WCIU only is coming in around 40%, normally I get it above 90%. WGN is still coming in around 65% instead of the 90% I normally get. But at least they are there.

On the CBS local news broadcast, they said that the Willis Tower has the emergency lights on, but full power has not yet been restored. Would that impact how far the TV signals would go - not having the building at full power?
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I would say it’s possible.

If the stations aren’t able to send “full electrical power” to their transmitters, I would think that their signal wouldn’t be up to its potential full strength.

Remember, some of our stations are still in the process of upgrading their systems. So, they weren’t at “final” full signal strength, even before this power outage.
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This morning, it appears that it is almost all back to normal. The only channels that aren't coming in at the same levels as before are as follows:

5 - I can't get anything. Shows a constant 0%. This is unusual. NBC was mid to high 80's until October, been lower for me ever since Oct, but by lower it would be 50-65% and I could watch it with no problems. Now it is 0% - nothing.
9 - right around 60%, usually I get it easily at 90%, if not 95%
38 - around 20%, locks, but it drops in and out; usually in the 60% range. Has always been one of my lower signal strengths
66 - I can't get anything. But that doesn't surprise me as 66 is by far my weakest signal that I could lock on before this happened. I seem to really lose it as the leaves fill in.

The others (rounded to the nearest 5)
2 - 85%
7 - 80%
11 - 85%
20 - 85%
23 - 70%
26 - 95%
32 - 75%
44 - Nothing (but I don't ever watch it to care)
48 - 60%
62 - 75%
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Everything seems to be back to normal here. Even the channels you're having issues with 5/44, 9, 38, 66 all coming in at around 80-85 signal strengths, just as they were before the Willis Tower power outage. FWIW 5/44, 9 and 66 weren't affected by the power outage to the best of my knowledge.
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This morning, it appears that it is almost all back to normal. The only channels that aren't coming in at the same levels as before are as follows:

5 - I can't get anything. Shows a constant 0%. This is unusual. NBC was mid to high 80's until October, been lower for me ever since Oct, but by lower it would be 50-65% and I could watch it with no problems. Now it is 0% - nothing.
9 - right around 60%, usually I get it easily at 90%, if not 95%
38 - around 20%, locks, but it drops in and out; usually in the 60% range. Has always been one of my lower signal strengths
66 - I can't get anything. But that doesn't surprise me as 66 is by far my weakest signal that I could lock on before this happened. I seem to really lose it as the leaves fill in.

The others (rounded to the nearest 5)
2 - 85%
7 - 80%
11 - 85%
20 - 85%
23 - 70%
26 - 95%
32 - 75%
44 - Nothing (but I don't ever watch it to care)
48 - 60%
62 - 75%
5 was pushed to Hancock, was on an auxiliary on Sears. See if they switch back this weekend sometime, now that power is back.
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Hi everyone, I read this forum often for updates, and I finally made an account to report something crazy. I'm in Morris IL, 56 miles from Chicago... and tonight I'm receiving just about EVERYTHING.. and my 26WCIU is coming in close to 80%.

Throughout the time Willis Tower was down, I was still getting ABC and that 60.1/60.2/60.3.
This was only at 43%.

But what was strange was when the tower was powered back on..I was getting more channels at night time.. but gone by morning. These channels were like 9.1, and 5.1, at about 38%.. and my ABC would be lifted to the 53%.

So if you're following.. suddenly in the dinner hour of Memorial Day... I'm receiving an incredibly amount of channels.. and my mouth dropped open when I saw CBS at 38%...CBS was never likely to come out here.

I used to live in Manhattan and then Minooka, with much more coverage area. In Morris, I'm in one of those strips of red around yellow for most stations on those signal maps.

And so bottom line, suddenly everything is above 50%, and I'm so happy.. but I'm wondering why did everything get a boost? Did they make them stronger when they turned them back on? Does it have to do with this nightly routine? Maybe an after rain has something to do with it?

On a clear blue day when Willis tower was back I could only get ABC.. so what is going on? Very happy as I watch this on my 1983 tv in the kitchen while making meals.. and it's sad when you see Gimme a Break is on and you can't watch it.. but then the next day it's back! And I keep up with this forum.
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And EVEN CRAZIER ... just scanned the upstairs tv with the same roof antenna.. and now I'm getting all the Rockford IL stations like WREX, WTVO and several others... which are not even close to reaching Morris on those signal maps, and I've never seen these channels before in my life.

And to further update... All those channels I just described getting close to 80% on downstairs in the kitchen, It is only an hour later and they are GONE!! No WCIU, NO WGN, NBC.
--even the ABC is gone-- strangely it's still running upstairs. Those Rockford stations are kinda cool, bc they are compilations of everything I watch.

So my new question is.. how is it possible that in the same evening I'm receiving Chicago stations I'm used to at 40% become 80%, but then an hour later I get none of those and I'm jam packed with Rockford stations that I've never heard of? And they are at 41%!
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It's just atmospheric boost. These effects tend to shift what directions they're boosting as time goes by before reception returns to "normal" a few hours later.
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One more time to report at 8:36pm that the Rockford stations are gone. I got to enjoy them for less than 15mins. All I'm getting now is that weird WAUR-LD from Aurora, but they should call themselves "World" bc it sounds like it, but anyways it looks like a poker match is on.

If anybody wants to know I have a 150mile Walmart ONN antenna that has a motor that never moved. I have an amplifier in the kitchen hooked into one of those Walmart Ematic tuners. I did not install the roof antenna, however Just this past week I bought the same antenna on clearance and the motor works, also I will be adding an amplifier, and making sure I have a RG6 coax for it, bc currently it is not.

Upstairs is simply a 2015-ish Vizio with a built in Tuner.

But the time I wrote this post, 7.1 ABC is back.

But even so, tonight I experienced the best reception of MY LIFE! Numbers I've never seen before. Maybe someone is reading this and it's incredibly obvious to them what's happening
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Just read the updates... Atmospheric boost? I'm going to have to look into that, bc I'm experiencing something of that sort daily.
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Please excuse me writing so much, but I forgot to say thank you for the info. I want that atmospheric boost back.. it was amazing.
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Please excuse me writing so much, but I forgot to say thank you for the info. I want that atmospheric boost back.. it was amazing.
Hi Mattio,

That atmospheric "boost" you got was a "temperature inversion". Here's how it works, in English: frequently, as you go up into the air, the temperature cools with height. But in the evenings, nights, and iuntil mid-morning, especially spring-fall, the air remains warmer aloft, as the temperatures at ground level cools. If that temperature inversion is 5,000-10,000 feet in the air, the signals will bounce off that warm layer, enabling the signal to travel far beyond what you would see during the day. You also see this phenomena with warm fronts. North of the warm front on a weather map, there is always a temperature inversion. Near and along that front, signals go crazy and can bounce up to 600 miles, in a few cases!

Here in DeKalb, I get the Chicago stations (60 miles away) and Rockford stations (35 miles away) without too much difficult (except for channel 2). But when temperature inversions occur, I can frequently get Milwaukee, Madison, Green bay, South Bend, Grand Rapids and other markets. Before the repack, I was able to get the PBS affiliate from Erie, PA, about 420 miles away. Other catches include stations from Sioux Falls, St. Louis, Champaign/Urbana/Springfield/Decatur, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Indianapolis.

What antenna do you have? From Morris, if you have the antenna outside, a ChannelMaster 4228HD or similar model with a preamplifier should get you most of the stations, unless you are near the river...

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Awesome response. That gave me so much insight, I consider the case closed, and now I know why even now channels have rotated. I just couldn't understand why such an incredible difference in just 15 mins. My live reporting is an account of exactly what happens.

I have that On (Walmart brand) 150mile roof antenna. The motor never worked when installed, but luckily has been facing Chicago. Now that I live here I'm going to replace it with an identical one that was in clearance (packaging is going yellow, haha), and I already tested that it rotates.

I also plan on doing the pre-amp on it. Right now the antenna has a coax that's too long, coiled, and not an RG6. I currently amplify inside the house. I'm anticipating the results of the outdoor one.

I remember starting all of this in Manhattan IL maybe 5 years ago, seeing there was a station called Escape. How disappointing that it wasn't the Robert Stack ones (they are now on Pluto).. but this is the first time that I have a roof antenna and I want to make the most of it.

I do live near the River, in some reddish area. As long as I do all I can with the roof one, I'll close the case of what I can get-- and accept that it's going to be temperature related, time of year, etc.

I have plenty to watch on YouTube and streaming, and DVDs, VHS, etc.. but there's something about having a station be in charge of what's on.
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Article about WCIU:

Station Overcomes Record Flooding to Return to Chicago Airwaves
https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/st...icago-airwaves
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Awesome response. That gave me so much insight, I consider the case closed, and now I know why even now channels have rotated. I just couldn't understand why such an incredible difference in just 15 mins. My live reporting is an account of exactly what happens.

I have that On (Walmart brand) 150mile roof antenna. The motor never worked when installed, but luckily has been facing Chicago. Now that I live here I'm going to replace it with an identical one that was in clearance (packaging is going yellow, haha), and I already tested that it rotates.

I also plan on doing the pre-amp on it. Right now the antenna has a coax that's too long, coiled, and not an RG6. I currently amplify inside the house. I'm anticipating the results of the outdoor one.

I remember starting all of this in Manhattan IL maybe 5 years ago, seeing there was a station called Escape. How disappointing that it wasn't the Robert Stack ones (they are now on Pluto).. but this is the first time that I have a roof antenna and I want to make the most of it.

I do live near the River, in some reddish area. As long as I do all I can with the roof one, I'll close the case of what I can get-- and accept that it's going to be temperature related, time of year, etc.

I have plenty to watch on YouTube and streaming, and DVDs, VHS, etc.. but there's something about having a station be in charge of what's on.
Hello Mattio,

I would strongly caution you against those antennas. They are well-known to not work well, and almost al of the rotors die within 2 years, and in most cases, within months. The reception from those things is not great due to bad wiring and other factors.

I would steer you to this:

https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=HDB8X

And outting an amplifier on it. This should get you the Chicago statuons, and quite possibly, some Peoria stations as well, depending on where you point it. Use an excellent preamplifier, such as a Kitz KT-200.

http://www.kitztech.com/KT200.html

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5 was pushed to Hancock, was on an auxiliary on Sears. See if they switch back this weekend sometime, now that power is back.
I think WGN changed something in the last 30ish hours, as I was around 60% yesterday morning, and now back up to 90-95% constant lock. Now just waiting to see if NBC changes their configuration at all - that is the only channel that for me is not the same as where it was pre-flood.
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I think WGN changed something in the last 30ish hours, as I was around 60% yesterday morning, and now back up to 90-95% constant lock. Now just waiting to see if NBC changes their configuration at all - that is the only channel that for me is not the same as where it was pre-flood.
My *guess* would be that they switched from Hancock to Sears. Probably waited for the dust to settle (or mud, as the case may be) at Willis. NBC is probably still on Hancock.

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Awesome response. That gave me so much insight, I consider the case closed, and now I know why even now channels have rotated. I just couldn't understand why such an incredible difference in just 15 mins. My live reporting is an account of exactly what happens.

I have that On (Walmart brand) 150mile roof antenna. The motor never worked when installed, but luckily has been facing Chicago. Now that I live here I'm going to replace it with an identical one that was in clearance (packaging is going yellow, haha), and I already tested that it rotates.

I also plan on doing the pre-amp on it. Right now the antenna has a coax that's too long, coiled, and not an RG6. I currently amplify inside the house. I'm anticipating the results of the outdoor one.

I remember starting all of this in Manhattan IL maybe 5 years ago, seeing there was a station called Escape. How disappointing that it wasn't the Robert Stack ones (they are now on Pluto).. but this is the first time that I have a roof antenna and I want to make the most of it.

I do live near the River, in some reddish area. As long as I do all I can with the roof one, I'll close the case of what I can get-- and accept that it's going to be temperature related, time of year, etc.

I have plenty to watch on YouTube and streaming, and DVDs, VHS, etc.. but there's something about having a station be in charge of what's on.
Without knowing exactly which antenna you are talking about, you should consider watching some of this guy's videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyS...J21B3Jo3HcWMTQ
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