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Look forward to reviews especially on Mad Max PQ and Atmos sound. I would think Atmos would be WOW on this disk.
The regular bluray had the exact same Atmos track. It is a reference track to be sure. The video quality was not a big step up for me. I posted my thoughts here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-bl...l#post41943433

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Me too, got the shipping notice today for:

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Expected delivery on Monday so I'll get it a day earlier than release day. Should have a lot of fun next week.
Got them early today (2/27/16). Guess I'll be watching one of them tonight?
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so i went to my local BestBuy to watch some HDR on the JS9500 (just to get an idea against my 8500) but somebody punched the demo unit. like, literally put the fist through. they had the Samsung player connected to the 78" 9100 instead which wasn't too impressive overall. i left with nothing.
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I returned most all of my Fox UHD titles that were unopened (Maze 1, Maze 2, Martian, Wild). Fox's titles are just too inconsistent and some are so dark like Exodus and FF. I would just rather not gamble with their's. Especially since they offer no value with immersive audio and I already own them on BD. Now if they were STELLAR movies and/or had Atmos/X, then it would be a different story. The Sony releases are spectacular Atmos thus far. Better than some of them we've seen in the last year. Ender's Game and Amazing Spider-Man2 are phenomenal Atmos. Spidey2 may be the best PQ I've seen from a UHD yet also (of the 7 or so I've watched). Horrible phone pics that make them come off darker, but the resolution and color are great.

The last pic is majorly zoomed in, but I loved the irony of the collapsing "Blu-Ray Billboard, Perfect Picture, Perfect Sound".....

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so i went to my local BestBuy to watch some HDR on the JS9500 (just to get an idea against my 8500) but somebody punched the demo unit. like, literally put the fist through. they had the Samsung player connected to the 78" 9100 instead which wasn't too impressive overall. i left with nothing.
What movie?
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Picked these up today at BB, X Men looks fantastic, starting in on Mad Max now. You really have to go to different sections of BB to find someone willing to go in the back, but the sku's should show up in their system
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from reading on their site i was under the impression that it was.

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The alexa can record either raw files or to quicktime that are log c encoded or rec 709 gamma encoded. I have on occasion seen the rec709 setting set on footage but that is pretty rare. Or an accident. With alexa , its generally understood you will get a flat log image.
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Master List of currently available 4k HDR titles, will be updated often.

Anyone notice that Mad Dogs episode 6 does not have HDR on Amazon? This happened with Man in the High Castle at one episode too. How do they miss that when releasing it? The episode says ultra HD but no HDR tag in the expanded info. It plays in UHD with no HDR info and quite honestly after watching 5 HDR episodes it looks like crap.

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I returned most all of my Fox UHD titles that were unopened (Maze 1, Maze 2, Martian, Wild). Fox's titles are just too inconsistent and some are so dark like Exodus and FF. I would just rather not gamble with their's. Especially since they offer no value with immersive audio and I already own them on BD. Now if they were STELLAR movies and/or had Atmos/X, then it would be a different story. The Sony releases are spectacular Atmos thus far. Better than some of them we've seen in the last year. Ender's Game and Amazing Spider-Man2 are phenomenal Atmos. Spidey2 may be the best PQ I've seen from a UHD yet also (of the 7 or so I've watched). Horrible phone pics that make them come off darker, but the resolution and color are great.

The last pic is majorly zoomed in, but I loved the irony of the collapsing "Blu-Ray Billboard, Perfect Picture, Perfect Sound".....


And someone on another thread indicated that Spidey 2 had the worst picture so I canceled my original order. I just reordered it!!!

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And someone on another thread indicated that Spidey 2 had the worst picture so I canceled my original order. I just reordered it!!!
I did. It looks terrible IMO. The amount of grain and noise is unbelievable. Colors are also over-saturated. I think what is being used as a display makes a big difference here. I was playing it on my Sony 75X940C.
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Anyone notice that Mad Dogs episode 6 does not have HDR on Amazon? This happened with Man in the High Castle at one episode too. How do they miss that when releasing it? The episode says ultra HD but no HDR tag in the expanded info. It plays in UHD with no HDR info and quite honestly after watching 5 HDR episodes it looks like crap.

I noticed this also...thought it was my Amazon connection.
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I really hope these HDR blu's get better. Too many misses than hits. Just watched the new Crouching Tiger movie on Netflix and it looks better than all the 4K blu's I have so far...
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And someone on another thread indicated that Spidey 2 had the worst picture so I canceled my original order. I just reordered it!!!
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I did. It looks terrible IMO. The amount of grain and noise is unbelievable. Colors are also over-saturated. I think what is being used as a display makes a big difference here. I was playing it on my Sony 75X940C.

Not second guessing you @Balthazar2k4 . You are very correct. I've heard people talk about some titles being great and I've been less than impressed. Other people talk about banding, which I've not seen once on any title. While I on the other hand have some titles that are just extremely dark with major black crush (Exodus and FF). And then I have some titles like Kingsmen and Hitman which just seem like UHD but the HDR appears absent. So yes, it's extremely display specific.

I'm using a JVC RS400 on ~142" wide screen. ASM2 looked phenomenal. Some of the live actor shots did have some grain, but the action scenes were phenomenal. I imagine that's also due to whether it was shot 2K vs 4K CGI, DI, etc....I'm not going to dive into that, but I was impressed by it. I didn't care for the movie in theaters. It kind of blew actually. But I enjoyed it more the second time at home with the improved PQ and amaze-balls Atmos....
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Anyone notice that Mad Dogs episode 6 does not have HDR on Amazon? This happened with Man in the High Castle at one episode too. How do they miss that when releasing it? The episode says ultra HD but no HDR tag in the expanded info. It plays in UHD with no HDR info and quite honestly after watching 5 HDR episodes it looks like crap.

I checked it last night after a Sony owner mentioned it. The hdr version is gone, probably had an issue. It was there back in January.
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I really hope these HDR blu's get better. Too many misses than hits. Just watched the new Crouching Tiger movie on Netflix and it looks better than all the 4K blu's I have so far...
Well you've fallen for Warner/Fox's marketing B.S.

All the crap they've pushed out on to this format isn't even native 4K unlike Amazon and Netflix's original produced content.

So even though Amazon and Netflix's 4K streams are bitrate starved, they still end up looking better than most UHD Blu-rays, because most UHD Blu-rays are just upscaled material and thus they are just as pointless as it would have been to watch standard definition videos released on Blu-rays. You're better off watching the 3D Blu-ray version for most of these movies instead of the UHD Blu-ray version. HDR is such a minimal upgrade to video quality that it doesn't make a big enough of a difference when it is being applied to upscaled material; non-HDR 4K material ends up looking better than HDR non-4K material as we see from Netflix winning out over these upscaled HDR UHD Blu-rays.

Sony seems to be the only studio that has released some actual native 4K content on to the UHD Blu-ray format so far.
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Well you've fallen for Warner/Fox's marketing B.S.

All the crap they've pushed out on to this format isn't even native 4K unlike Amazon and Netflix's original produced content.

So even though Amazon and Netflix's 4K streams are bitrate starved, they still end up looking better than most UHD Blu-rays, because most UHD Blu-rays are just upscaled material and thus they are just as pointless as it would have been to watch standard definition videos released on Blu-rays. You're better off watching the 3D Blu-ray version for most of these movies instead of the UHD Blu-ray version. HDR is such a minimal upgrade to video quality that it doesn't make a big enough of a difference when it is being applied to upscaled material; non-HDR 4K material ends up looking better than HDR non-4K material as we see from Netflix winning out over these upscaled HDR UHD Blu-rays.

Sony seems to be the only studio that has released some actual native 4K content on to the UHD Blu-ray format so far.
Well Sony's aren't all good either. Chappie is the only great looking movie everyone can agree on. Their 4K movies seem to be hit or miss too....
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Well Sony's aren't all good either. Chappie is the only great looking movie everyone can agree on. Their 4K movies seem to be hit or miss too....
Of what I own, only Lionsgate titles are universally well done.
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I really hope these HDR blu's get better. Too many misses than hits. Just watched the new Crouching Tiger movie on Netflix and it looks better than all the 4K blu's I have so far...

No it doesn't. It is soft, has poor colors, and I have seen 1080p movies that look better. The Martian on MGo is better than it.

All this talk of how bad movies on UHD are just wait until stuff like the revenant and other new movies are released. You will change your tune. What we are getting are many older titles, much of it created long before HDR was a thing. Unless they are scanning film negatives you will always have mixed results from that. Even some of the movies I have watched on Amazon and MGo blow away the 1080p blu-ray out of the water. So you buy a bad movie like Hancock and wonder why it doesn't look as good as The Martian?
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Yea crouching tiger doesn't look better than the uhd Bluray to me. I think it's all subjective based on your display. I will agree with others thought the Martian, chappie, and the lionsgate titles look awesome. I'm hoping mad max doesn't disappoint based on the reviews here.
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I really hope these HDR blu's get better. Too many misses than hits. Just watched the new Crouching Tiger movie on Netflix and it looks better than all the 4K blu's I have so far...

No it doesn't. It is soft, has poor colors, and I have seen 1080p movies that look better. The Martian on MGo is better than it.

All this talk of how bad movies on UHD are just wait until stuff like the revenant and other new movies are released. You will change your tune. What we are getting are many older titles, much of it created long before HDR was a thing. Unless they are scanning film negatives you will always have mixed results from that.
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I think movies that see a Dolby vision release in theaters will look the best since it is pretty clear that they were shot in a way that gets a benefit from HDR. From the cameras to the process in post production.
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I think movies that see a Dolby vision release in theaters will look the best since it is pretty clear that they were shot in a way that gets a benefit from HDR. From the cameras to the process in post production.
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I thought the uhd blu looked pretty decent. Not the best but had some great scenes (lightning scene, scorched city).
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I thought the uhd blu looked pretty decent. Not the best but had some great scenes (lightning scene, scorched city).

I wasn't aware that had a DV theatrical release. There are no Dolby vision theaters in my area so I never got to experience it that way and only know the Dolby vision movies that are announced via social media lol

Though I thought it did have some good HDR usage as you said even on MGo.

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What UDH BD titles have you looked at? I've looked at five so far and every one is much, much better than it's 2K BD counterpart. Between the extra resolution and HDR they have all looked superb when compared to their 2K BD counterpart.



And if those are the Hybrid and 2K Masters, I can't wait to watch some newer titles with 4K masters.

The stuff I have seen on MGo, Amazon, and the couple UHD discs I have gotten to see parts of has struck me the same way. I am not disappointed and cannot fathom why anyone would be. We are getting better picture than we have had access too before. Will some movies be poor examples? Yes of course and even on 1080p Blu-Ray as mature as it is, we get some very bad quality on new releases. We just have to be selective if we are only looking for the best examples. Those who buy everything will inevitably get some stinkers.

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Except it's not a better picture, because it's missing stereoscopic 3D. So the picture has been downgraded in some ways, upgraded in others, resulting in something that is a wash. Upscaled 4K with HDR doesn't look good enough to justify not having 3D.
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What UDH BD titles have you looked at? I've looked at five so far and every one is much, much better than it's 2K BD counterpart. Between the extra resolution and HDR they have all looked superb when compared to their 2K BD counterpart.

And if those are the Hybrid and 2K Masters, I can't wait to watch some newer titles with 4K masters.
I've watched FF (dark), Hitman, Exodus(unwatchable dark), Kingsmen, Spidey2(phenomenal), Salt, Chappie, and Enders so far. Ironically I think the only one that was true 4K shot and DI was the one I just finished...Salt

It was very grainy, not very sharp/crisp and the colors were muted. It was the only Sony title that seemed a little dark with black crush. Whereas a couple of the Fox discs exhibited the dark/crush to a much greater degree.

So people can say there is no value to UHD HDR if it's 2k shot ran through 4K DI. But they're wrong on that note as many of those I've watched look great. Most look significantly better than their BD counterparts on large pj screens (142" @ 8 & 14' in my case). And ironically one of my least fav in regards to PQ is Salt, a "true 4K" movie!!!
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I've watched FF (dark), Hitman, Exodus(unwatchable dark), Kingsmen, Spidey2(phenomenal), Salt, Chappie, and Enders so far. Ironically I think the only one that was true 4K shot and DI was the one I just finished...Salt

It was very grainy, not very sharp/crisp and the colors were muted. It was the only Sony title that seemed a little dark with black crush. Whereas a couple of the Fox discs exhibited the dark/crush to a much greater degree.

So people can say there is no value to UHD HDR if it's 2k shot ran through 4K DI. But they're wrong on that note. Most look significantly better than their BD counterparts on large pj screens (142" @ 8 & 14' in my case). And ironically one of my least fav in regards to PQ is Salt, a "true 4K" movie!!!
I wonder if your saying it is too dark and unwatchable is due to the projector technology actually not reaching the brightness needed for the shadow detail to come out. Most HDR material I've watched is noticeably darker than the SDR but more detail is retained in the shadows. Is it an HDR projector, do those exist?

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If people think films are too dark try using dynamic contrast. As weird as it sounds, it doesn't have the same effect that it has on SDR content.
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