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Just thought about this today, but has anybody considered that maybe, there's a chance that LG and Vizio are purposely not making their hdr10 processing as good as it could be, so that dolby vision will look better and will be the preferred choice by the owners of the sets? Has anybody questioned LG'S intent to fix the clipping, perhaps they have no intention to fix it so that it doesn't match dolby vision? Just a thought.
Maybe it's just not worth the effort. Vizio CTO has made it sound like they put alot of work into the hdr 10 on the p series and while it looks good, still falls short of most of the dolby vision content by far.
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Maybe it's just not worth the effort. Vizio CTO has made it sound like they put alot of work into the hdr 10 on the p series and while it looks good, still falls short of most of the dolby vision content by far.
Hdr10 isn't dynamic metadata like Dolby vision

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Not only that but the tv has to decide how to present the content with hdr10 and with Dolby vision you don't need to worry about adjusting settings. I've seen a couple clips of movies I own both ways and I find that my tv looks just as good as DV on the Vizio. I would definitely not call one superior. That said there have been reports of some clipping on hdr10 content by certain tvs. Comparing what I see on my own tv with hdr10 against the Vizio with DV and I don't think I could pick one out as being absolutely better. Could DV be better on the Vizio than hdr10? Sure it could, but there are other members who find the Vizio handles UHD discs with hdr10 just fine once they dial in a few settings.

I don't buy the hype some people give with Dolby vision.
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Not only that but the tv has to decide how to present the content with hdr10 and with Dolby vision you don't need to worry about adjusting settings. I've seen a couple clips of movies I own both ways and I find that my tv looks just as good as DV on the Vizio. I would definitely not call one superior. That said there have been reports of some clipping on hdr10 content by certain tvs. Comparing what I see on my own tv with hdr10 against the Vizio with DV and I don't think I could pick one out as being absolutely better. Could DV be better on the Vizio than hdr10? Sure it could, but there are other members who find the Vizio handles UHD discs with hdr10 just fine once they dial in a few settings.

I don't buy the hype some people give with Dolby vision.
You may be on to something. For me Dolby vision is much cleaner than hdr10

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I would love to see Sunshine (2007) in HDR, it should max out those nits!
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I would love to see Sunshine (2007) in HDR, it should max out those nits!
I do hope this title gets remastered and re-released on HDR UHD Blu-Ray. I tried using the HDR+ mode on my UN65KS9000 on the Blu-Ray, and it was like seeing the film for the very first time. The opening sequence was a treat to watch!

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Maybe it's just not worth the effort. Vizio CTO has made it sound like they put alot of work into the hdr 10 on the p series and while it looks good, still falls short of most of the dolby vision content by far.
Format War

One thing I have a little difficulty understanding is how someone can find that a heavily compressed VUDU Dolby Vision streaming video with lossy audio can compare with high bitrate HDR10 content with lossless audio. Just seems more like a biased "my format is better than your format post".

What folks have to realize is that the world extends beyond the borders of the USA -- where I will be enjoying a tour of the Sonoma Valley wineries today -- and most of these services like VUDU, Amazon, Vidity and FandangoNOW are not even available to us living just across the border to the north let alone around the world. Add to that we get far less than half the content Netflix offers to it's US customers including some of the 4K content.

Although we know that the Ultra HD Blu-ray spec states that when HDR is included on a disk it must include HDR10, until we find out how things shake down with studios adoption of Dolby Vision and it's availability things are way up in the air.

The gauntlet has been dropped and a new "Format War" has begun.

Hey, but what's new in the world of A/V.

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Format War

One thing I have a little difficulty understanding is how someone can find that a heavily compressed VUDU Dolby Vision streaming video with lossy audio can compare with high bitrate HDR10 content with lossless audio. Just seems more like a biased "my format is better than your format post".

What folks have to realize is that the world extends beyond the borders of the USA -- where I will be enjoying a tour of the Sonoma Valley wineries today -- and most of these services like VUDU, Amazon, Vidity and FandangoNOW are not even available to us living just across the border to the north let alone around the world. Add to that we get far less than half the content Netflix offers to it's US customers including some of the 4K content.

Although we know that the Ultra HD Blu-ray spec states that when HDR is included on a disk it must include HDR10, until we find out how things shake down with studios adoption of Dolby Vision and it's availability things are way up in the air.

The gauntlet has been dropped and a new "Format War" has begun.

Hey, but what's new in the world of A/V.
I'll bet you that dynamic HDR -10 metadata gets pushed out and implemented Just before or at the same time DV gets disc and player support.
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I'll bet you that dynamic HDR -10 metadata gets pushed out and implemented Just before or at the same time DV gets disc and player support.

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pretty disappointed to see amazon in HDR and in movie mode show banding on the coral reef doc( i didn't notice it yesterday, but today its unmistakable) on my 65ks8500....then the stream froze so I hope its just my internet....however going right to netflix, it worked perfectly so Im not sure whats going on...those colors are the best, hoping angry birds is at least as good picture wise
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pretty disappointed to see amazon in HDR and in movie mode show banding on the coral reef doc( i didn't notice it yesterday, but today its unmistakable) on my 65ks8500....then the stream froze so I hope its just my internet....however going right to netflix, it worked perfectly so Im not sure whats going on...those colors are the best, hoping angry birds is at least as good picture wise


Samsung is aware of the amazon banding issue and will be issuing a FW update to fix it soon. I believe the most recent FW actually caused it. It wasn't like this a few weeks ago.
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To me there is no war. There will be both just like there is both Dolby and DTS audio.
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Samsung is aware of the amazon banding issue and will be issuing a FW update to fix it soon. I believe the most recent FW actually caused it. It wasn't like this a few weeks ago.
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Samsung is aware of the amazon banding issue and will be issuing a FW update to fix it soon. I believe the most recent FW actually caused it. It wasn't like this a few weeks ago.


I am glad you mentioned that. I checked out the Amazon app on the Samsung player for the first time last night. Looking at a few TV series that are supposed to use HDR, the picture quality was horrible. Also for some series the show would stop and I would get a blue screen as if my signal died.

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One thing I have a little difficulty understanding is how someone can find that a heavily compressed VUDU Dolby Vision streaming video with lossy audio can compare with high bitrate HDR10 content with lossless audio. Just seems more like a biased "my format is better than your format post".

What folks have to realize is that the world extends beyond the borders of the USA -- where I will be enjoying a tour of the Sonoma Valley wineries today -- and most of these services like VUDU, Amazon, Vidity and FandangoNOW are not even available to us living just across the border to the north let alone around the world. Add to that we get far less than half the content Netflix offers to it's US customers including some of the 4K content.

Although we know that the Ultra HD Blu-ray spec states that when HDR is included on a disk it must include HDR10, until we find out how things shake down with studios adoption of Dolby Vision and it's availability things are way up in the air.

The gauntlet has been dropped and a new "Format War" has begun.

Hey, but what's new in the world of A/V.
With all due respect I wouldn't call it a bias. People whom have seen Dolby Vision have TVs that can do both (LG & Vizio). So I'm guessing they've seen both and are making 'educated' decisions about which one they like better. I for one hope both can co-exist without issue. Right now I'd give the edge to Dolby Vision, but once the Dynamic HDR10 comes out hopefully there's no noticeable difference.

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AMC and Dolby plan to complete installation of 100 announced locations seven years ahead of schedule



Well heres some amazing news. 7 years ahead of schedule? Must be very successful with the limited theaters that have this right now, which I believe is less than 15 worldwide. They plan to have 100 by the end of 2017, and dont plan to stop there. My closest dolby cinema is 8 hours away, so anything within an hour or 2 would be great!


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Is it true that every 4K UHD now produced contains HDR and that at some point we will have 4K UHD discs containing HDR and possibly Dolby Vision?

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Does anyone have status info as to the availability of Vidity on 2016 Samsung models?
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Does anyone have status info as to the availability of Vidity on 2016 Samsung models?
Vidity seems to be "on hold" as I've heard nothing new and even submitted an email to Vidity with no response. I bought a 2016 Samsung but returned it when I found out the FandangoNow app was missing from the TV. I then bought a better 2015 (9000 as opposed to 6500) model and have access to my Vidity content.

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Well heres some amazing news. 7 years ahead of schedule? Must be very successful with the limited theaters that have this right now, which I believe is less than 15 worldwide. They plan to have 100 by the end of 2017, and dont plan to stop there. My closest dolby cinema is 8 hours away, so anything within an hour or 2 would be great!


http://investor.dolby.com/releaseDet...leaseID=983428
Hopefully they include my area. I'd love to watch some of the movies that release in the cinema in HDR with Atmos. There's not even an Atmos equipped theater in my local area. I'm tired of all movies being dull and washed out lol. I always wish I could watch it in HDR at home instead. Dolby Cinema can make the theater enjoyable to me again. I don't watch many movies at the theater because the home experience has just been better. Even 3D is better at home. Locally we have an IMAX with 70mm film projector, a fake imax, a Regal RPX, a Cinemark XD, and a few regular theaters that don't have anything special going for them.

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All the mass market titles do. But there are some niche UHD BD titles that are only in SDR.
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Is it true that every 4K UHD now produced contains HDR and that at some point we will have 4K UHD discs containing HDR and possibly Dolby Vision?
Not every UHD disc is HDR, but I think all the hollywood movies are currently. In the future some studios may choose to include Dolby Vision on the disc with HDR10 as well. Once players supporting it begin to arrive I think we will start seeing the first releases in DV.
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Just got Amazing Spiderman 2 on 4k blu ray through amazon for $15.00 to my door...they have a few sony titles $5 off, pretty good deal....just watched pan, I thought the HDR was great. Rich colors and great surround sound really masks a kinda weak movie.
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Batman Vs Superman review by John Archer of forbes.


Seems John has aligned with my camp, that the movie is very inconsistent and the resolution most of the time is obviously upscaled. (around 80-85% of the movie is rumored to be scanned at 2k and upscaled to 4k for the DI)


http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch.../#f16b31a6df42
I have been meaning to get that movie and I never got around to it. Perhaps that's a good thing in the end, I'll wait it out for price drops.
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Maybe it's just not worth the effort. Vizio CTO has made it sound like they put alot of work into the hdr 10 on the p series and while it looks good, still falls short of most of the dolby vision content by far.
Format War

One thing I have a little difficulty understanding is how someone can find that a heavily compressed VUDU Dolby Vision streaming video with lossy audio can compare with high bitrate HDR10 content with lossless audio. Just seems more like a biased "my format is better than your format post".

What folks have to realize is that the world extends beyond the borders of the USA -- where I will be enjoying a tour of the Sonoma Valley wineries today -- and most of these services like VUDU, Amazon, Vidity and FandangoNOW are not even available to us living just across the border to the north let alone around the world. Add to that we get far less than half the content Netflix offers to it's US customers including some of the 4K content.

Although we know that the Ultra HD Blu-ray spec states that when HDR is included on a disk it must include HDR10, until we find out how things shake down with studios adoption of Dolby Vision and it's availability things are way up in the air.

The gauntlet has been dropped and a new "Format War" has begun.

Hey, but what's new in the world of A/V.
It's not bias, it's an opinion based on visual differences outside of bitrate. I don't see a format war. HDR10 has roots in Dolby, there's not much to find or any comments from Dolby that are negative in reference to HDR10.

Let's not forget the fact that when Dolby Vision capable UHD players get released, they will still output HDR10 as well. When dynamic HDR10 becomes the new open standard, Dolby Vision will still exist because both can coexist.

This is not the Blu-ray-HDDVD format war that was entirely hardware.
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